ToP KoNTRaST by JO753

I just took a TV from my friend's old man's house since his city wont' pick them up and mine will pick up as many as you've got if you call them ahead of time (I got rid of 2 rear projections and 6 tube TVs in one shot 2 summers ago, which was in my mind the best way to kick off my dehoarding process). I'm helping him dehoard his own place, and any time he's willing to get rid of something and I'm over there I'm more than happy to take it quickly out to my car and throw it away or take it to Goodwill when I get home before he has 2nd thoughts about it.

It's been a busy week and I keep forgetting to call the city until after they're already closed for the day. This TV is a small and very lightweight Zenith. Maybe I should hang on to it since it's getting so hard to play VHS tapes? Not that I have a VCR anymore, but I do have two VHS tapes that I saved though. One is an "official" tape that was made for a the last dance in 8th grade, and another one has a few of my high school wrestling matches on it.

I wish my dad still had that VCR/DVD combo machine he used to convert all of his old home movies. I'd love to digitize that stuff.

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Sunday, September 12, 2021 4:32 PM

rezident owtsidr

If you hav alot uv home videoz, it will be well worth keeping a good quality VCR and tube TV.

I uzed 2 Mitsubishi HSU-59 VCRz to edit the vidz back then. They had very versitile editing featurez wen you paired them. You coud make frame perfect splisez, replase or mix in audio, fade in/out... all sorts uv near pro level stuff.

Unfortunately, they were not very durable. Altho very well bilt, they had bugz. I returned 3 or 4 uv them in the 1st 2 yirz! The final pair did last till around 2012. I'd haf to put in a fresh main drive belt every 4 yirz, but just having a fast RW/FF and ded-on presise counter made it worth the work. But the electronics gave out eventually. Probably capasitorz dying.

I watched a video about restoring a pro level Mitsubishi. It cost over 2,000$ new. The gi had to replase 70 capasitorz!

Its excruciating trying to find stuff uzing a plain ordinary VCR. After about 1995 they stopped putting displayz on the machinez, insted going to on-screen display. So, with the fussy new TVz not showing anything wen they dont like the taste uv the signal, youre lost, just taking a stab in the dark wen you run out uv patients. Worse, the TV will start showing "no signal" after a minit, then completely turn off if you dont do sumthing soon enuf.

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Sunday, September 12, 2021 4:43 PM

rezident owtsidr

Also, I'v lost way more stuff on dijital formats than I ever did on tape.

CDr and DVDr disks are very unreliable. Hard drivez die. Virusez get in and corrupt data. Windowz goofs up ALL THE TIME. Even commercially prodused DVDz go bad.

I started watching Omega Man last week and it stalled at chapter 14, locking up the chintzy LG 4K player so I had to pull the plug. Tried it in a Sony Blu Ray player and an ancient Toshiba DVD player and they stalled in the same spot, but at least I coud just hit the stop buttun and take the disk out.

I have cassete tapes from the 1960z that still play! I hav VHS tapes from the 80z that still play.

HEY! Maybe I coud rig up a VCR az a backup for my hard drive! It woud only take about 200 tapes! or iz it 20,000? I forget.

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Sunday, September 12, 2021 5:59 PM

Yeah. I think tapes got an undeserved bad rap.

I keep trying to get my old man to remember to give me all of those DVDs he coverted of the old home movies. With a program called handbrake I can compress them down enough where we should be able to maintain several backups without it being too much of an inconvenience for anyone.

I'm hearing horror stories about how all those CDs and DVDs we were backing everything up with 10 and 20 years ago are literally falling apart.

Music CDs and DVDs should be fine, as should those REALLY expensive old school discs that you bought one at a time with their own Jewel cases, but they had a much different process than the cheap spindles we were all buying after everybody had a burner in the home.

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Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SIX, there are companies that will digitize tapes for you.

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Monday, September 13, 2021 1:04 AM

rezident owtsidr

I just saw a commercial for 1 uv them!

Seeing how time consuming it can be, I expect its not cheap.

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Monday, September 13, 2021 8:04 AM

I'm sure I could do it myself for cheaper than a company would charge. My buddy still has the last-generation Sony VCR that I gave him years back (at least he did about 6 months ago when I noticed that he still had it).

I know I don't have the capture device anymore, but I did own one that I was able to use my computer to digitize the video straight from the VCR. It couldn't possibly have taken much computing power since it would have been back in the mid-to-late 2000's and I know I was running it on Windows XP.

Unless those things have become so scarce today that you could only find them on eBay for $500, I could probably do it for about $30.

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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
I just saw a commercial for 1 uv them!

Seeing how time consuming it can be, I expect its not cheap.

You have been so successful at staying on your very own planet for the past 20 years that you have managed to not run into a single ad from one of these multitudes of companies until just now?

Welcome to Earth.
That helps explain why you are a Libtard, the lowest-information denizen around.

My laptop from around 1994 works great, I keep all of my personal files on it, it never gets any virus, or other hiccups.
My HQ VHS with HiFiAudio track recording is wonderful.
I take care of my DVDs, so they work fine - stop using them as doorstops.

Since you are not tech-minded, I'll tell you how to "fix" your DVD players which got stuck on a certain point of your disc. All 3 of them shouud get this treatment. This assumes your DVD is not scratched or gouged near the outer edge.
Put in the disc. start playing. If this part isn't successful, then try it without first starting t play the beginning of the disc (which is in the center)
Select chapter 15, or better yet, end credits. As soon as it starts playing this section, have it restart from the beginning of the recording. It may be quicker to only go back to chapter 10 or so, but it is better to go back to the start. As soon as it starts, jump back to end credits.
Repeat this jumping back and forth for at least 10 times.
It is much much better to do this when the player is warm, meaning a heater is nearby, the ambient temp is warmer than you find comfy. Don't bother doing this when it is cold - just a waste of time.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 4:21 PM

rezident owtsidr

thisss looks interesting:
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Friday, September 17, 2021 9:00 PM

JSF is being a dick again I see. Don't mind him, JO.

He missed the part where we're talking about burning DVDs and not the DVDs that you buy with copyrighted movies on them, and the HUGE gap in quality and longevity between the two.

But that shouldn't be a surprise. JSF barely knows how to read.

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Saturday, September 18, 2021 1:41 AM

rezident owtsidr

Ye!

Wudubout that, JSF?

Also, I notist youv abandond your Dow thredz sins the election. Did you sell all your stocks, thinking it wuz all going to colaps?

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Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:32 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Ye!

Wudubout that, JSF?

Sorry, when you stated "your Omega Man DVD" I did not know that you really meant your bootleg cheap ripped copy on a burner disc.

You will need to turn up the amp on your tinfoil hat in order for me to read your mind.

My explanations for how to repair your problems only applies if you had a real DVD of Omega Man.

Not surprising that you are getting all confused again by trying to follow the failed logiks of 6ix. He just can never comprehend chronology, like how he only posted about his delusions long after you posted about your issues. That is a constant problem for him, which is partly why he needs to blame averybody else for his failures.

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Friday, September 24, 2021 10:13 AM

rezident owtsidr

We were mostly tokking about tape vs dijital, including dvdr. I only mentioned The Omega Man az an example uv commercially recorded DVDz going bad. I've had several over the yirz.

Funny story: I put a DVD movie from the library in and it woudnt play. I take it out and it feelz too thick. Then a clear layer slidez off the bizness side!

I'm thinking its this disk, but then it playz fine and I woc the movie. (dont recall wut it wuz) After, I check the previous movie, also from the library, and thats wer it came from!

In other wordz, I'd woct it with no problem but wen I took it out uv the player it left the bottom clear layer behind and I didnt notis.

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Monday, September 27, 2021 8:51 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
We were mostly tokking about tape vs dijital, including dvdr. I only mentioned The Omega Man az an example uv commercially recorded DVDz going bad. I've had several over the yirz.

Funny story: I put a DVD movie from the library in and it woudnt play. I take it out and it feelz too thick. Then a clear layer slidez off the bizness side!

I'm thinking its this disk, but then it playz fine and I woc the movie. (dont recall wut it wuz) After, I check the previous movie, also from the library, and thats wer it came from!

In other wordz, I'd woct it with no problem but wen I took it out uv the player it left the bottom clear layer behind and I didnt notis.

Yes, a commerical DVD of Omega Man. Thanks for again confirming that 6ix is an idiot and incapable of comprehending chronology.

Prior to your post of Omega Man, neither you nor he nor anybody in this thread had discussed anything besides TVs and VCRs, despite 6ix's delusions.

I had not previously broken down your post:

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Originally posted by JO753:
Also, I'v lost way more stuff on dijital formats than I ever did on tape.

CDr and DVDr disks are very unreliable.
Hard drivez die.
Virusez get in and corrupt data.

Software is not actually a digital media.

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Windowz goofs up ALL THE TIME. Even commercially prodused DVDz go bad.

I started watching Omega Man last week and it stalled at chapter 14, locking up the chintzy LG 4K player so I had to pull the plug. Tried it in a Sony Blu Ray player and an ancient Toshiba DVD player and they stalled in the same spot, but at least I coud just hit the stop buttun and take the disk out.

I have cassete tapes from the 1960z that still play! I hav VHS tapes from the 80z that still play.

HEY! Maybe I coud rig up a VCR az a backup for my hard drive! It woud only take about 200 tapes! or iz it 20,000? I forget.

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Monday, September 27, 2021 10:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think, if you really want to be fussbudgety about the whole DVD/CD v VCR issue, you could prolly consider tape to be "digital", too. All it is is mylar (stretched polyester) coated with a resin in which magnetizable particles are embedded. The only thing that's recorded is whether the particles are magnetized in one direction (0) or another (1).

Hard drives are the same, aren't they? Just records of which way the magnetizable particles are lined up (0, 1).

In both cases, a magnetized segment of tape or disk spinning past a "read" head will generate a small current. How those are then decoded depends a lot on software. In the old tape format, it was possible to record anything without copyright. But some evil genius figured out a way to copyright protect commercially recorded VHS tapes by imposing an additional signal on to the info which had to be electronically stripped out for viewing.

The problem with VHS tapes is that the magnetized portions slowly lose their magnetization over time, even if stored under perfect conditions and not physically degraded by moisture, heat, being stepped on etc.

DVDs and CDs are a different story. A laser is typically used to change the OPTICAL property (reflectance or color) of a spot on a metalized hard plastic disc. These could also be considered "digital" since there are only two states (0, 1) to the media. However, once written some discs can't be erased and rewritten.

The metalized plastic is protected by a clear plastic layer, but if there are small defects or cracks in the overlay oxygen gets underneath and oxidizes (dulls) the metal, ruining the stored info.

If anyone has any different info, please chime in!

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Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think, if you really want to be fussbudgety about the whole DVD/CD v VCR issue, you could prolly consider tape to be "digital", too.

No. Wrong.
Digital is always Analog, but Analog is almost never Digital, except in the rare, specific instance where it actually was formatted as digital. This rule applies to media as well as signal and circuits. An Analog circuit can always process Digital, and a Digital circuit cannot process Analog. Also, ADCs and DACs always function differently.
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All it is is mylar (stretched polyester) coated with a resin in which magnetizable particles are embedded. The only thing that's recorded is whether the particles are magnetized in one direction (0) or another (1).
No. Wrong.
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Hard drives are the same, aren't they?
No. Wrong.
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Just records of which way the magnetizable particles are lined up (0, 1).
No. Wrong.
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In both cases, a magnetized segment of tape or disk spinning past a "read" head will generate a small current.
No. Wrong.
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How those are then decoded depends a lot on software.
No. Wrong.
Do you even know how VCRs, of any make or format, read or record? What direction? How many heads? How many heads for standard video? How many heads for HQ video? How many heads for audio? Are the same heads used for video and audio? What direction the Audio signal(s) are located on the tape? How about HiFi audio?
You seem to have a vast vacuum of knowledge on the subject.
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In the old tape format, it was possible to record anything without copyright. But some evil genius figured out a way to copyright protect commercially recorded VHS tapes by imposing an additional signal on to the info which had to be electronically stripped out for viewing.

The problem with VHS tapes is that the magnetized portions slowly lose their magnetization over time, even if stored under perfect conditions and not physically degraded by moisture, heat, being stepped on etc.
No. Wrong.
Because of this thread, I recently repeated a test I had done 20-30 years ago. Different group of people this time. I asked some friends to listen to my stereo - these are not the audiophiles I likely used before. I played a song on my excellent Fidelity system, and I told them they could only move one switch, and one position was VCR Tape (recorded by me 25-30 years ago), and the other was CD, or in one case, 12" vinyl (which were, in fact the source of the taped sound). I asked them to identify which of the sources was the CD, and which was the tape. I was playing both the tape and the CD at the same time. Of 5 people, none ever got any of them right - they always said the one that sounded the clearest, the best, was the one which stopped when I finally hit the stop button on the VCR.
If the tape had degraded, wouldn't the sound quality have become less than the same source CD from 30 years ago?
When I first tried this, decades ago, I had the same result except for one time when the CD actually skipped, so that person got that one.
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DVDs and CDs are a different story. A laser is typically used to change the OPTICAL property (reflectance or color) of a spot on a metalized hard plastic disc.
Not quite. Lazer is used to read the bumps of the plastic.
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These could also be considered "digital" since there are only two states (0, 1) to the media.
No. Wrong. How could CDs or DVDs be anything other than digital?

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However, once written some discs can't be erased and rewritten.

The metalized plastic is protected by a clear plastic layer, but if there are small defects or cracks in the overlay oxygen gets underneath and oxidizes (dulls) the metal, ruining the stored info.

No. Wrong.
I don't think you got that right. The mastered layer is the bumps on plastic, on the read side of the disc. Then a metallic layer is coated on, to provide reflectivity to the data bumps. Then a plastic layer is added onto the metal layer, and this is where most cracks or impurities sometimes intrude - as well as the layer of decals, printing, ink, on top of that layer. This is the top side of the disc, the side with logos and such. This side of the metal oxidizing will not effect the playing side. However, this is where most disc injuries occur, with the metal layer so thin, very fragile, and subject to damage - and when the metal layer is damaged, then the playiny side will be affected.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

recording on tape

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Audio/tape2.html
The recording medium for the tape recording process is typically made by embedding tiny magnetic oxide particles in a plastic binder on a polyester film tape. Iron oxide has been the most widely used oxide, leading to the common statement that we record on a "ribbon of rust". But chromium oxide and metal particles provide a better signal-to-noise ratio and a wider dynamic range. The oxide particles are on the order of 0.5 micrometers in size and the polyester tape backing may be as thin as 0.5 mil (.01 mm). The oxide particles themselves do not move during recording. Rather their magnetic domains are reoriented by the magnetic field from the tape head.
The microscopic ordering of electron spins characteristic of ferromagnetic materials leads to the formation of regions of magnetic alignment called domains.

The main implication of the domains is that there is already a high degree of magnetization in ferromagnetic materials within individual domains, but that in the absence of external magnetic fields those domains are randomly oriented. A modest applied magnetic field can cause a larger degree of alignment of the magnetic moments with the external field, giving a large multiplication of the applied field.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2021 6:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

This had a good explanation of CDs, DVDs (read only), and various user-recordable DVDs. It doesn't explain Blu-Ray.

https://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec3/

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