Czar Traitor Swiftboat Ketchup by JEWELSTAITEFAN

He'll be fine.

He's rich. He's a Democrat.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:59 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

He provided information about Israel to Iran.

Pardon me. Maybe ISRSEL feels betrayed but how was the USA betrayed?

Last I checked, Israel is NOT the United States, and you would do well not to conflated the two.

USA first, for Americans. Let Israel answer for it's own sins.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:38 PM

She brings up a good point.

The only Jews that should take offense to the antisemitism that is rampant in the Democratic Party that we should concern ourselves with are those who are American citizens.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2021 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
He provided information about Israel to Iran.

Pardon me. Maybe ISRSEL feels betrayed but how was the USA betrayed?

Last I checked, Israel is NOT the United States, and you would do well not to conflated the two.

USA first, for Americans. Let Israel answer for it's own sins.

Israel is not USA. Israel is an ally of USA, which is why Democraps hate them. Iran is an enemy of USA, just like Democraps - we've been at war with them for decades.
Through our Alliance, USA learned that some secret military missions in Syria against Iranian Combat forces were from Israel.
It does not behoove trust and reliability between Allies when your Allies stab you in the back.
How obtuse. I can't believe this needs to be explained - has everybody reverted to kindergarden education level?
Plus, he is clearly in violation of the Logan Act. Although he learned National secrets while Cabinet Secretary, he was just a plain-old Benedict Arnold citizen when he disclosed National secrets.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:30 AM

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Rumor haz it that he also informed them that canaryz are yellow.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:33 AM

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/20/united-states-israel-allies-forma
l-defense-treaty-trump-netanyahu/

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
He provided information about Israel to Iran.
Pardon me. Maybe ISRSEL feels betrayed but how was the USA betrayed?
Last I checked, Israel is NOT the United States, and you would do well not to conflated the two.
USA first, for Americans. Let Israel answer for it's own sins.

SF: Israel is not USA. Israel is an ally of USA

No, Israel is NOT an ally of the USA. In fact, there is no signed mutual defense agreement between us.

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The United States and Israel call themselves allies, but they don’t have a formal defense treaty governing their relationship.

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JSF: which is why Democraps hate them.

"Democraps" DO NOT hate Israel. In fact, the DNC has actively courted the Jewish vote in NYC, FL, Hollywood and ... anywhere in the USA, and Jews have actively supported Democrat candidates. Strong ties between the DNC and the various Jewish and Zionist organizations in the USA ...including the very powerful AIPAC and ADL ... go back decades, much farther back than ties between American Jews and the GOP. Democrat policy has alway been staunchly pro-Israel.

Obama was an abberation among Democrat Presidents.

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JSF: and Iran is an enemy of USA

I think we MADE Iran an enemy, but it's interests are not fudamentally counter to the USA's

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JSF just like Democraps

SOME Democraps, especially establishment members of both the Democrat and Republican parties, don't give two shits about the USA. But it's not a uniquely Democrat problem

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JSF: we've been at war with them for decades.

We've been at war with Iran for decades. Has Iran been at war with us, except defensively?

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JSF: Through our Alliance

which doesn't exist

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JSF: USA learned that some secret military missions in Syria against Iranian Combat forces were from Israel.
It does not behoove trust and reliability between Allies when your Allies stab you in the back.

Speaking of being stabbed in the back by your supposed "allies"... Did you know that Israel attacked - strafed and fired missiles on a USA Navy ship, not one-time "oops" but for HOURS? With "allies" like that, who needs enemies?

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On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked an American ship, killing 34 and injuring 174 Americans. The US government responded by covering it up. see below for picture

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2018/06/08/the-israeli-attack-on-
the-uss-liberty/

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JSF: How obtuse. I can't believe this needs to be explained - has everybody reverted to kindergarden education level?

Ummmm....

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JSF: Plus, he is clearly in violation of the Logan Act.

The Logan Act prohibits unauthorized people, such as private citizens, from conducting negotiations with foreign powers. Since Kerry was Secretary of State, I believe he would be an "authoriized" person

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JSF: Although he learned National secrets while Cabinet Secretary, he was just a plain-old Benedict Arnold citizen when he disclosed National secrets.

National secrets OF ISRAEL. Let me repeat: ISRAEL AND THE USA ARE NOT THE SAME.

What would you think if someone .... say, Kerry ... learned something about Russia and then told the Germans?

Please try to remember that Israel and USA are not the same when you accuse someone of "treason" bc they did something against some OTHER nations' interests.

BTW, as you know I supported Trump and kept trying - unsuccessfuly - to point out that the accusations hurled against him tht people here were making such a fuss about, were lies. However, my support was not unconditional; among other things I strongly disagreed with Trump's Middle East policies, especially regarding Israel, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:07 AM

I agree with Sigs post on this 100%.

As for our actual "allies", I can't look back on too many times in history where that wasn't a completely 1 sided deal either... at least at face value.

Who knows what our "leaders" since WWII have been doing to sell us out behind closed doors,

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIGNYM:
He provided information about Israel to Iran.
Pardon me. Maybe ISRSEL feels betrayed but how was the USA betrayed?
Last I checked, Israel is NOT the United States, and you would do well not to conflated the two.
USA first, for Americans. Let Israel answer for it's own sins.

SF: Israel is not USA. Israel is an ally of USA
No, Israel is NOT an ally of the USA. In fact, there is no signed mutual defense agreement between us.
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The United States and Israel call themselves allies, but they don’t have a formal defense treaty governing their relationship.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/20/united-states-israel-allies-forma
l-defense-treaty-trump-netanyahu/

USA and Israel are allies enough that they collaborate on information regarding enemies - or, at least, they historically did when we weren't stabbing them in the back.
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JSF: which is why Democraps hate them.
"Democraps" DO NOT hate Israel. In fact, the DNC has actively courted the Jewish vote in NYC, FL, Hollywood and ... anywhere in the USA, and Jews have actively supported Democrat candidates. Strong ties between the DNC and the various Jewish and Zionist organizations in the USA ...including the very powerful AIPAC and ADL ... go back decades, much farther back than ties between American Jews and the GOP. Democrat policy has alway been staunchly pro-Israel.

Obama was an abberation among Democrat Presidents.
Anti-semetic Libtard Jews in USA are NOT Israel, and are not in Israel. Even the ADL got another Anit-semetic Israel hater Libtard as it's new leader. You seem really confused. Israel is not a region or State within the Untied States. Why American Libtard Jews want Israel to be destroyed is a different topic.
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JSF: and Iran is an enemy of USA
I think we MADE Iran an enemy, but it's interests are not fudamentally counter to the USA's
I suggest Iran's next hostages be the State of California. Then everybody will be happy: American citizens, Californians, Hispanics, LGBTQRAYX, everybody. That would be in everybody's interests.
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JSF just like Democraps
SOME Democraps, especially establishment members of both the Democrat and Republican parties, don't give two shits about the USA. But it's not a uniquely Democrat problem
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JSF: we've been at war with them for decades.

We've been at war with Iran for decades. Has Iran been at war with us, except defensively?

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JSF: Through our Alliance
which doesn't exist

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JSF: USA learned that some secret military missions in Syria against Iranian Combat forces were from Israel.
It does not behoove trust and reliability between Allies when your Allies stab you in the back.
Speaking of being stabbed in the back by your supposed "allies"... Did you know that Israel attacked - strafed and fired missiles on a USA Navy ship, not one-time "oops" but for HOURS? With "allies" like that, who needs enemies?

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On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked an American ship, killing 34 and injuring 174 Americans. The US government responded by covering it up. see below for picture
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2018/06/08/the-israeli-attack-on-
the-uss-liberty/
During The 6 Day War, Anti-semite LBJ (yes, a Libtard Democrap) sent the NSA Spy Ship USS Liberty into and between combat forces to perform communications spying. I am shocked that you are bolstering my point by using yet another example of how much Democraps hate Israel.

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JSF: How obtuse. I can't believe this needs to be explained - has everybody reverted to kindergarden education level?
Ummmm....

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JSF: Plus, he is clearly in violation of the Logan Act.
The Logan Act prohibits unauthorized people, such as private citizens, from conducting negotiations with foreign powers. Since Kerry was Secretary of State, I believe he would be an "authoriized" person

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JSF: Although he learned National secrets while Cabinet Secretary, he was just a plain-old Benedict Arnold citizen when he disclosed National secrets.
National secrets OF ISRAEL. Let me repeat: ISRAEL AND THE USA ARE NOT THE SAME.

Really? John Effing Kerry was appointed by Trump? A Trump Cabinet Secretary? Swiftboat Ketchup was only an ordinary citizen while Trump was President, other than continuing his career of violating the Logan Act.

Based upon the revelation of "200 covert strikes" from Israel upon Iranian forces inside Syria, the timeline is believed to be in 2018.

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Even after Mr. Kerry left the State Department and former President Trump came to power in January 2017, Mr. Kerry and Mr. Zarif remained in contact. By Mr. Kerry’s own admission, they met in person several times.

In 2018, the former Massachusetts senator sought to explain those meetings, telling radio host Hugh Hewitt that he intended to find out “what Iran might be willing to do in order to change the dynamic in the Middle East for the better” and claimed there was nothing secret about his discussions with Mr. Zarif. He also vehemently denied allegations that he “coached” Mr. Zarif about how to deal with a Trump administration that was taking a hard line toward Tehran.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/26/john-kerry-told-irani
ans-about-secret-israeli-oper/

And advising Iran to not make a deal with Trump, just wait until Trump is out of office and we can make a better deal - that was during Trump, and was also a violation of the Logan Act.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/hanoi-john-kerry-betrayed-our-ally
-to-our-enemy/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/jo
hn-kerrys-defense-iran-leaks-political-risks

https://lidblog.com/javad-zarif-john-kerry/

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/02/bidens-handlers-john-kerry-and-robe
rt-malley-colluded-with-iran-to-foil-trump-diplomacy

https://www.independentsentinel.com/john-kerry-admits-hes-colluding-wi
th-iran-behind-trumps-back/

https://jewishjournal.com/news/united-states/238886/john-kerry-admits-
meeting-iran-leaders-trump-presidency/

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:19 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

OK, if Kerry revealed this info to Iran while he was a private citizen, and it was classified, AND he advised Iran not to negotiate with Trump but to wait him out then he is indeed guilty of violating the Logan Act. Especially the advising part.

If the ALEGATIONS (unsubstantiated accusations, such as were hurled against Trump) have some sort of credibility, then he should be investigated, charged, tried and - if necessary- convicted and sentenced.

From your link to The Washington Examiner

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Iran International, a media outlet reviled by the regime in Tehran, published the audio but assessed that Kerry was referencing public information well after leaving office

Politicians are going off half-cocked, like Dems did with Trump. I suppose some ppl.think that turnabout is fair play, but that way lies chaos.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 4:53 PM

Yup. We've got to shit on that behavior when we see it.

We have the opportunity to actually go high when they go low.

Not just give lip service to the idea like Hillary did.

Four easy words to live by if you're ever confused when making such decisions...

Don't be a hypocrite.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
He provided information about Israel to Iran.

Pardon me. Maybe ISRSEL feels betrayed but how was the USA betrayed?

Last I checked, Israel is NOT the United States, and you would do well not to conflated the two.

USA first, for Americans. Let Israel answer for it's own sins.

Treason is defined on the federal level in Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution as: "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Since you seem resistant to comprehending, National Security also encompasses the methods that we acquired the data, what our classified and critical confidential sources are - who they are , what they are, how they are.
Under Enigma, nobody could reveal the information which many knew, because confirmation would expose the fact that we cracked their communication code.
We all know Hilliary exposed Secrets like the number of seconds of response in our Nuclear Deterrent, when she broadcast that fact on National Prime Time TV - but that does not excuse the fact nor set valid precedent.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yup. We've got to shit on that behavior when we see it.

We have the opportunity to actually go high when they go low.

Not just give lip service to the idea like Hillary did.

Four easy words to live by if you're ever confused when making such decisions...

Don't be a hypocrite.

Just to be clear, you are saying that we should NOT shit on the behavior of Treason, but just shit on the behavior of calling out the Treason.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OK, if Kerry revealed this info to Iran while he was a private citizen, and it was classified, AND he advised Iran not to negotiate with Trump but to wait him out then he is indeed guilty of violating the Logan Act. Especially the advising part.

If the ALEGATIONS (unsubstantiated accusations, such as were hurled against Trump) have some sort of credibility, then he should be investigated, charged, tried and - if necessary- convicted and sentenced.

From your link to The Washington Examiner
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Iran International, a media outlet reviled by the regime in Tehran, published the audio but assessed that Kerry was referencing public information well after leaving office
Politicians are going off half-cocked, like Dems did with Trump. I suppose some ppl.think that turnabout is fair play, but that way lies chaos.

Based upon the number of strikes cited, the timeframe was 2018, when Trump was in office. Zarif also clearly stated that he did not know the information which Kerry disclosed in secret, private conversations.

You like to confuse and conflate your timelines, so that now, in hindsight, we know that after Kerry disclosed this information, the information was published for all to read.

Just because we now know that the Japanese had a secret code during WWII does not mean that everybody knew it at the time, or that we had broken the code.

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Friday, April 30, 2021 6:22 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And you like to post stuff without supporting links.

Who said that based on the #of strikes Trump was in office? How would they know? How would ANYONE outside of Israeli military know, since these were Israeli strikes?

Do we have a quote from Zarif somewhere, not translated by MEMRI?

Or is this all just anonymous sources? Since you're the one making the statements, I'm not going to do your job for you and hunt these down. I've got other things to do.

Links, please

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Friday, April 30, 2021 6:37 PM