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Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:04 PM

SIGNYM

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Barr says it will be "lightly" redacted and available on the DOJ website. Not trying to be a tease, just making a place-holder for the link when the report becomes avaiable. That way we can split out the discussion of the report from other topics which might obscure the discussion.

If someone manages to grab the link before I do (will be busy today); I expected the link to be available already but won't be checking on it very often) please post it, thanks.

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:05 PM

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Listen to the official audiobook of the Mueller report, read by Leslie Brickhill and a very special guest.



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Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:26 PM

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https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

I think this works. I can always count on ZH to grab things fast.

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

I think this works. I can always count on ZH to grab things fast.


Then lie about it...

A factual search reveals a terrible track record with IFCN fact checkers. There are too many failed checks to list here.

Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:32 PM

REAVERFAN


That was a nice bit of kabuki theater on Barr's part.

He's doing what he was hired to do: Cover up the crimes.

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:34 PM

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:16 PM

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When Sessions told the President that a Special Counsel had been appointed, the President slumped back in his chair and said, "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked." (p. 290 of the PDF)
www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210-Redacted-Mueller-Report.html

www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook-pm/2019/04/18/the-report-is-out-
trump-tried-to-remove-mueller-426190

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:36 PM

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It's posted on Daily Mail.

It just affirms what everyone already knows, Trump and everyone around him lied their asses off. Non-guilty people don't need to lie and delete communications...

pg 18 The investigation established that several individuals associated with the campaign lied (and deleted relevant communications) to the Office and to Congress about their interactions with Russian affiliated individuals and related matters

pg 418 We viewed the written answers to be inadequate.

However, appendix D on transferred cases still has a lot of redacted names yet to be charged.

I will be interested how Cohen fills in the blanks there.

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:52 PM

WISHIMAY

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6937379/How-White-House-couns
el-Don-McGahn-ordered-President-Trump-fire-Robert-Mueller.html


President Trump called Don McGahn in 2017 and wanted him to tell acting AG Rod Rosenstein that Mueller had a conflict of interest and had to be fired
Trump called McGahn a second time to follow up and said something like, 'Call Rod, tell Rod that Mueller has conflicts and can't be the Special Counsel'
‘McGahn did not carry out the direction...deciding that he would resign rather than trigger what he regarded as a potential Saturday Night Massacre,’ according to the report
Trump also met his former campaign chief Corey Lewandowski and dictated a message to Sessions to publicly announce the investigation was 'very unfair'
Lewandowski never delivered the message, rather passed it to deputy chief of staff Rick Dearborn who also did not relay the message to Sessions


Sure sounds like intent to obstruct to me.

Isn't asking people to do something illegal when you are president...I dunno... illegal???

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:57 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

Sure sounds like intent to obstruct to me.

Isn't asking people to do something illegal when you are president...I dunno... illegal???

Mueller actually looked at exactly this point. He didn't indict only because the rules he works under forbid him from indicting a President. Indicting a President is left to Congress. (The political calculus: the Democratic House won't vote to indict because the GOP Senate won't vote to convict. Instead, the 2020 Election decides Trump's fate. House majority leader Steny Hoyer said that Democrats wouldn’t move to impeach and would instead wait for the American people to weigh in by voting in 2020.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/439603-hoyer-impeachment-not-worthw
hile-after-seeing-mueller-report
)

What was Mueller's conclusion?

Mueller Found “Corrupt Intent” Repeatedly in Donald Trump’s Actions Toward the Russia Investigation
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/mueller-found-corrupt-intent-re
peatedly-in-donald-trumps-actions-toward-the-russia-investigation
/

In his report, Special Counsel Robert Mueller concludes that nothing in statute or the Constitution shields a president from obstruction-of-justice charges. (Again, Mueller was operating under rules forbidding him, but not Congress, from indicting a President.) Obstruction-of-justice charges, for example, wouldn’t have a “chilling” effect on a president because they require a showing of corrupt motive, which “sets a demanding standard.” That standard rules out obstruction charges related to actions a president takes for political or policy reasons. “For instance, the President’s decision to curtail a law-enforcement investigation to avoid international friction would not implicate the obstruction-of-justice statutes.”
(Page 394 of pdf)

However, direct or indirect action to influence an investigation in order to avoid “personal embarrassment or legal liability” for himself or his family would qualify as corrupt.
(Page 390 of pdf)

With that in mind, here’s a selection of conclusions from the report about President Trump’s corrupt intent related to different aspects of the investigation. There are no redactions in the sections I’m quoting:

Firing of James Comey

Substantial evidence indicates that the catalyst for the President’s decision to fire Comey was Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation….Some evidence indicates that the President believed that the erroneous perception he was under investigation harmed his ability to manage domestic and foreign affairs….Other evidence, however, indicates that the President wanted to protect himself from an investigation into his campaign….[T]he evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes.

Attempt to fire the Special Counsel

Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct—and most immediately, to reports that the President was being investigated for potential obstruction of justice.

Attempts to influence Jeff Sessions

Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s effort to have Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct….There is evidence that at least one purpose of the President’s conduct toward Sessions was to have Sessions assume control over the Russia investigation and supervise it in a way that would restrict its scope….A reasonable inference […] is that the President believed that an unrecused Attorney General would play a protective role and could shield the President from the ongoing Russia investigation.

Many more at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/mueller-found-corrupt-intent-re
peatedly-in-donald-trumps-actions-toward-the-russia-investigation
/

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:48 PM

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I really want to know what the point of a special investigation is if he couldn't file charges/indict. Why bother with 2 years of angst if all it can be is just a data dump?

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was. My chief hope is this will tarnish him for 2020, but this pos has 90 lives, so who knows. I'm sure he'll spin it like a victory and an ignorant public will believe him.

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I really want to know what the point of a special investigation is if he couldn't file charges/indict. Why bother with 2 years of angst if all it can be is just a data dump?

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was. My chief hope is this will tarnish him for 2020, but this pos has 90 lives, so who knows. I'm sure he'll spin it like a victory and an ignorant public will believe him.

The Special Counsel was only authorized to continue the investigation started by FBI Director James B. Comey, the same investigation he testified about before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.

Mueller didn't have any authority to indict that fat liar Trump. It's left to either the Attorney General or the House of Representatives to kick Trump's ass. If neither will do the kicking, Mueller can't do it for them, but the voters could decide in 2020 to kick Trump's fat ass out of the White House.

www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-M
ueller-special.html


Come to think of it, the best way to get Trump is to show the voters he is a tax cheater. The way Trump is so protective of his returns shows that is where he is weakest. There is an extra bonus: if Trump cheated in the last 6 years, he won't be able to pardon his way out of paying the taxes he owes. Nixon and his Vice President Agnew both cheated on their taxes and they had to pay. President Ford's pardon could not excuse them from paying, although it did keep them out of jail for the crime of tax evasion.

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Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was



Maybe it was all a blackmail to get him to do what "they" wanted him to do??

Maybe all the obstruction was just his way of trying to squirm his way out of whatever he's neck deep in. I still say the "pee tape" exists...or a worse one. Someone somewhere has him under a thumb...

If he didn't do anything he had no reason to obstruct, but he'd obstruct to keep that tape from getting out, sure as shootin'.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 8:36 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was



Maybe it was all a blackmail to get him to do what "they" wanted him to do??

Maybe all the obstruction was just his way of trying to squirm his way out of whatever he's neck deep in. I still say the "pee tape" exists...or a worse one. Someone somewhere has him under a thumb...

If he didn't do anything he had no reason to obstruct, but he'd obstruct to keep that tape from getting out, sure as shootin'.



Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

I don't think of him as much of a religious man. I seriously doubt that he'd be worried what Melania would think, as I'm sure that even if they do manage to "love" each other on some level, she's aware of the business level relationship of their marriage. I think the worst thing that would happen to Trump's marriage if a pee tape came out would be that Melania would make him burn his clothes and take a shower before touching anything in the house whenever he got home.

Nah...

If there was a pee tape out there, Trump would have already uploaded it to PornHub and gave the link out on Twitter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 19, 2019 8:43 AM

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Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

Repeatedly, it appears Trump may have been saved from more serious legal jeopardy (even treason) because his own staffers refused to carry out orders they thought were problematic or potentially illegal.

The report from special counsel Robert Mueller III lays out in alarming detail abundant evidence against President Donald Trump, finding 10 "episodes" of potential obstruction of justice but ultimately concluding it was not Mueller's role to determine whether the commander in chief broke the law.

The special counsel's report on possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians to interfere in the 2016 election is extremely detailed with only modest redactions - painting a starkly different picture for Trump than Attorney General William Barr has offered, and revealing new details about interactions between Russians and Trump associates.

Mueller made it clear: Russia wanted to help the Trump campaign, and the Trump campaign was willing to take it.

Mueller's report suggests his obstruction of justice investigation was heavily informed by an opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) that says a sitting president cannot be indicted - a conclusion Mueller's team accepted.

That decision, though, seemed to leave investigators in a strange spot. Mueller's team wrote that they "determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes." They seemed to shy from producing even an internal document that alleged the president had done something wrong - deciding, essentially, that they wouldn't decide.

More at "Mueller report lays out obstruction evidence against the president"
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Attorney-general-to-provide-over
view-of-Mueller-13777039.php


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Friday, April 19, 2019 8:55 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

Repeatedly, it appears Trump may have been saved from more serious legal jeopardy (even treason) because his own staffers refused to carry out orders they thought were problematic or potentially illegal.

The report from special counsel Robert Mueller III lays out in alarming detail abundant evidence against President Donald Trump, finding 10 "episodes" of potential obstruction of justice but ultimately concluding it was not Mueller's role to determine whether the commander in chief broke the law.

The special counsel's report on possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians to interfere in the 2016 election is extremely detailed with only modest redactions - painting a starkly different picture for Trump than Attorney General William Barr has offered, and revealing new details about interactions between Russians and Trump associates.

Mueller made it clear: Russia wanted to help the Trump campaign, and the Trump campaign was willing to take it.

Mueller's report suggests his obstruction of justice investigation was heavily informed by an opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) that says a sitting president cannot be indicted - a conclusion Mueller's team accepted.

That decision, though, seemed to leave investigators in a strange spot. Mueller's team wrote that they "determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes." They seemed to shy from producing even an internal document that alleged the president had done something wrong - deciding, essentially, that they wouldn't decide.

More at "Mueller report lays out obstruction evidence against the president"
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Attorney-general-to-provide-over
view-of-Mueller-13777039.php


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Proper internet comment etiquette dictates that if you quote nothing more than a single question from a previous commenter, that your reply at least attempts to answer that question, or at least give a personal opinion relating to the question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Come to think of it, the best way to get Trump is to show the voters he is a tax cheater. The way Trump is so protective of his returns shows that is where he is weakest. There is an extra bonus: if Trump cheated in the last 6 years, he won't be able to pardon his way out of paying the taxes he owes. Nixon and his Vice President Agnew both cheated on their taxes and they had to pay. President Ford's pardon could not excuse them from paying, although it did keep them out of jail for the crime of tax evasion.




Unfortunately... I can think of a million ways he can spin any tax cheater findings, that would make him even more of a fan to his base. "Don't we hate the IRS?!? *ROAR* "Why are they always trying to take our money??" *ROAR* "Just another witch hunt!" *ROAR*

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Proper internet comment etiquette dictates that if you quote nothing more than a single question from a previous commenter, that your reply at least attempts to answer that question, or at least give a personal opinion relating to the question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, fuck you. That is proper, you goddamn jackass.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Unfortunately... I can think of a million ways he can spin any tax cheater findings, that would make him even more of a fan to his base. "Don't we hate the IRS?!? *ROAR* "Why are they always trying to take our money??" *ROAR* "Just another witch hunt!" *ROAR*

Trump is not stupid. If he has to pay his back taxes, it will hurt him. He won't go to jail for tax cheating. Nixon didn't. Vice President Spiro Agnew didn't.

As for Trump voters voting a second time for Trump: it is to be expected. Stupid people don't learn on the first lesson. Stupid people have many problems in their lives. That's why they voted for Trump as the only guy who can fix their lives. It never occurs to stupid people that their problems grow from their personal shortcomings and bad decisions. Instead, they see vast conspiracies beyond their control, Deep State, 1 Percenters, Satan the Devil, Bankers, Wall Street. Somehow, stupid people never have an explanation for their hardships that requires them to actually do anything to make their lives better. Their lives are never in their own hands. Their lives are in Trump's hands, God's hands, their company's hands, anybody but their own hands.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Proper internet comment etiquette dictates that if you quote nothing more than a single question from a previous commenter, that your reply at least attempts to answer that question, or at least give a personal opinion relating to the question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, fuck you. That is proper, you goddamn jackass.

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No. It's not.

You self important nitwit.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:45 AM

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No. It's not.

You self important nitwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, fuck you and your Trump. And please vote for him again. I hope I can depend on you to do the stupidest thing that will put more money in my bank.

Trump tried but failed to actually obstruct justice because other officials ignored him or his aides outright refused to follow his orders. This isn’t an exoneration of the president; Mueller is suggesting Trump had criminal intent but was too incompetent to act on it:

a. Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations. The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony. Viewing the acts collectively can help to illuminate their significance. For example, the President’s direction to McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed was followed almost immediately by his direction to Lewandowski to tell the Attorney General to limit the scope of the Russia investigation to prospective election-interference only—a temporal connection that suggests that both acts were taken with a related purpose with respect to the investigation.

The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. Comey did not end the investigation of Flynn, which ultimately resulted in Flynn’s prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI. McGahn did not tell the Acting Attorney General that the Special Counsel must be removed, but was instead prepared to resign over the President’s order. Lewandowski and Dearborn did not deliver the President’s message to Sessions that he should confine the Russia investigation to future election meddling only. And McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President’s direction to have the Special Counsel removed, despite the President’s multiple demands that he do so. Consistent with that pattern, the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges against the President’s aides and associates beyond those already filed.

From Page 157

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No. It's not.

You self important nitwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, fuck you and your Trump. And please vote for him again. I hope I can depend on you to do the stupidest thing that will put more money in my bank.




LOL. No worries, mate. With the crap candidates the Democrats have so far, I fully intend to.

Not that it means anything. Trump's going to win Indiana in a landslide with or without my vote.

Maybe I'll write in JO instead.



Why don't you take some of that ill-earned money and do some good with it? I know I'm wasting my breath asking this question for the 100th time, but you never answer it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 19, 2019 10:50 AM

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BTW everybody. That's twice in one day that I got Second to drop an F Bomb my way.

Be careful. If you don't treat him with kid gloves today, he might have a stroke.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 11:32 AM

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BTW everybody. That's twice in one day that I got Second to drop an F Bomb my way.

Be careful. If you don't treat him with kid gloves today, he might have a stroke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, saying "fuck you" is the closest the internet allows to zapping 6ix with an electric cattle prod. It is the bull that feels the prod. Me, with the prod, does not feel a thing and my blood pressure stays the same. It is completely unsurprising that you don't understand that dynamic, 6ix. There are very few of the bigger things in life you (and Trump voters I know) don't get the cause-and-effect backwards or upside down, which causes them easily avoidable suffering, which in turn caused them to vote for Trump.

Mueller laid out significant evidence to support the conclusion that President Donald Trump committed obstruction of justice. Yet the special counsel stated that no matter what evidence he found, he wouldn’t directly say that Trump had committed a crime.

That decision, which was not required by law or by the regulation guiding the special counsel’s office, opened the door for Attorney General William Barr to say that he had determined there wasn’t enough evidence to charge Trump.

That in turn effectively killed the political possibility of impeachment, as indicated by the No. 2 Democrat in the House, Steny Hoyer, saying Thursday that impeachment isn’t “worthwhile.”

More at www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-19/mueller-report-pulls-pun
ches-on-if-trump-obstructed-justice-why


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 19, 2019 11:39 AM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?




Um, YEAH.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938423/Russian-businessman-s
ays-told-Michael-Cohen-compromising-tapes-Trump.html



Russian businessman says he told Michael Cohen about ‘compromising tapes’ of Trump during Miss Universe in Moscow, Mueller report reveals – and didn't tell attorney they were fake

'I stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else,' wrote Giorgi Rtskhiladze (R),

The email said the tapes were held by Crocus Group, which is headed by Azerbaijan-born real estate magnate Aras Agalaro

It adds that 'Rtskhiladze said he was told the tapes were fake, but he did not communicate that to Cohen.'



Whether they are fake or not isn't the issue, it's whether or not Trump believed they were real that is. If he believed they were real he's done some pretty messed up shit or he's been so incapacitated he can't recall.


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Friday, April 19, 2019 11:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Mueller did his best to protect the FBI, and he did everything he could to torpedo President Trump, but the best he could manage was to create a political moment and punt to the House.

There are so many things NOT in the Mueller report, absence of which is designed to steer the discusison away from FBI malfeasance or incompetence

It didn't mention the fact that the DNC computer was never examined by the FBI
It didn't say anything about Fusion GPS
Nothing about the source of the leaks or the illegal unmasking
It said nothing about the source of the FISA warrant
They never interviewed Julian Assange, Craig Murray, or anyone who might have had direct knowledge of where the emails came from

It's a pretty thorough job of butt-covering, and I hope that the investigators get thoroughly investigated.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 11:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?




Um, YEAH.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938423/Russian-businessman-s
ays-told-Michael-Cohen-compromising-tapes-Trump.html



Russian businessman says he told Michael Cohen about ‘compromising tapes’ of Trump during Miss Universe in Moscow, Mueller report reveals – and didn't tell attorney they were fake

'I stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else,' wrote Giorgi Rtskhiladze (R),

The email said the tapes were held by Crocus Group, which is headed by Azerbaijan-born real estate magnate Aras Agalaro

It adds that 'Rtskhiladze said he was told the tapes were fake, but he did not communicate that to Cohen.'



Whether they are fake or not isn't the issue, it's whether or not Trump believed they were real that is. If he believed they were real he's done some pretty messed up shit or he's been so incapacitated he can't recall.




Show me a rich politician and I'll show you somebody who's least embarrassing sexual endeavor was being peed on.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 19, 2019 12:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW everybody. That's twice in one day that I got Second to drop an F Bomb my way.

Be careful. If you don't treat him with kid gloves today, he might have a stroke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, saying "fuck you" is the closest the internet allows to zapping 6ix with an electric cattle prod. It is the bull that feels the prod. Me, with the prod, does not feel a thing and my blood pressure stays the same. It is completely unsurprising that you don't understand that dynamic, 6ix. There are very few of the bigger things in life you (and Trump voters I know) don't get the cause-and-effect backwards or upside down, which causes them easily avoidable suffering, which in turn caused them to vote for Trump.



LOL.... Don't taze me bro!

Clown.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 12:06 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:



Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out? - SIX

Um, YEAH.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938423/Russian-businessman-s
ays-told-Michael-Cohen-compromising-tapes-Trump.html



Russian businessman says he told Michael Cohen about ‘compromising tapes’ of Trump during Miss Universe in Moscow, Mueller report reveals – and didn't tell attorney they were fake

'I stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else,' wrote Giorgi Rtskhiladze (R),

The email said the tapes were held by Crocus Group, which is headed by Azerbaijan-born real estate magnate Aras Agalaro

It adds that 'Rtskhiladze said he was told the tapes were fake, but he did not communicate that to Cohen.'



Whether they are fake or not isn't the issue, it's whether or not Trump believed they were real that is. If he believed they were real he's done some pretty messed up shit or he's been so incapacitated he can't recall.


The tapes were fake, but even fakes can be politically damaging. I mean, jut look at all of the fake news that's been published at various times ... fake WMD, fake "Assad gassed his own people" fake "Qaddafi is massacring his own people" ... you can propel a lot of people with fakery, and by the time people figure out they've been fooled the damage is already done. I'm sure Trump .. star of his onw "reality" TV show ... knows more about the power of fakery than anyone here.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 12:19 PM

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The key punch-pulling passage in the Mueller report occurs on page 2 of volume 2, or page 214 of 448, where Mueller says that “we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes.”

The sentence is so shocking I had to read it several times. Mueller is saying that his team thought about — and rejected — going through Trump’s conduct using ordinary Justice Department standards to decide if he had violated the law.

That’s more or less what the public thought Mueller was going to do.

Mueller’s stated reason is more shocking still: He wanted to be “fair” to Trump because a president cannot be indicted under Justice Department policy, and without a trial Trump couldn’t “seek to clear his name.”

The president of the United States could, of course, use the news media to defend himself. He could also be impeached by the House and defend himself in the Senate. Mueller’s “fairness” logic is contorted to the point of being almost bizarre.

We may never know for sure what Mueller was thinking when he held back from announcing Trump committed crimes, despite having evidence to support that conclusion. The leading explanation, though, should be the adage ably expressed by Ralph Waldo Emerson, and memorably repeated by Omar on “The Wire”: “You come at the king, you best not miss.”

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-19/mueller-report-pulls-pun
ches-on-if-trump-obstructed-justice-why


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 19, 2019 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The key punch-pulling passage in the Mueller report occurs on page 2 of volume 2, or page 214 of 448, where Mueller says that “we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes.”

The sentence is so shocking I had to read it several times. Mueller is saying that his team thought about — and rejected — going through Trump’s conduct using ordinary Justice Department standards to decide if he had violated the law.

That’s more or less what the public thought Mueller was going to do.

Mueller’s stated reason is more shocking still: He wanted to be “fair” to Trump because a president cannot be indicted under Justice Department policy, and without a trial Trump couldn’t “seek to clear his name.”

The president of the United States could, of course, use the news media to defend himself. He could also be impeached by the House and defend himself in the Senate. Mueller’s “fairness” logic is contorted to the point of being almost bizarre.

We may never know for sure what Mueller was thinking when he held back from announcing Trump committed crimes, despite having evidence to support that conclusion. The leading explanation, though, should be the adage ably expressed by Ralph Waldo Emerson, and memorably repeated by Omar on “The Wire”: “You come at the king, you best not miss.”

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-19/mueller-report-pulls-pun
ches-on-if-trump-obstructed-justice-why

I think he put that in there to "poison pill" the report, since he couldn't find anything indictable.

I mean, if he was so worried about Trump not being able to "clear his name" he simply should have asked for that to be redated. But this was exactly what Comey did that pissed off so many Democrats .... air a list of possible misdeeds and then say ..."nah, not gonna indict".

It's like Trey Gowdy said: a good prosecutor should indict and shut up or not indict and shut up.

I really think that Mueller was interested in only two things: "getting" Trump on any statute whatsoever (or providing ammunition for a political process should that fail) and protecting the FBI.

There is so much missing from the report, so many interviews that weren't conducted, so much evidence that it lacking, computers that weren't examined ... it doesn't look to me like Mueller was interested in finding out "the truth" but in proving a crime. A despite the fact that he indicted so many people over process crimes to squeeze as much as he could out of them, he couldn't even do that.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 5:05 PM

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At National Review, the Mueller report has confirmed that Trump gives orders and then his aides decide which of his orders to take seriously and which to ignore:

. . . The peculiar willingness of Trump’s people to ignore or disobey him is a blessing and a curse. But more than anything it is a warning sign that ought to be taken seriously by anyone in Congress or in the executive branch who is in any way in a position to help prepare our government to handle serious emergencies.

It is not hard to see why Trump’s senior staff treat him as they do. They understand better than any of us that in some crucial respects Trump is a special-needs president, and that his distinct disabilities as a decision maker have to be accommodated in some extraordinary ways to prevent them from exacting terrible costs. But these extraordinary accommodations are unlikely to be sustainable in truly extraordinary circumstances.

More at www.nationalreview.com/corner/another-warning-sign-2/

Only a few Republicans at National Review took the more sober approach that even if the report didn’t uncover criminal acts, it sure uncovered lots of behavior that ought to be inexcusable in a president.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 6:27 PM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Show me a rich politician and I'll show you somebody who's least embarrassing sexual endeavor was being peed on.



Is there ANYTHING you wouldn't excuse Trump from doing?

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Friday, April 19, 2019 6:30 PM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:


Only a few Republicans at National Review took the more sober approach that even if the report didn’t uncover criminal acts, it sure uncovered lots of behavior that ought to be inexcusable in a president.




That's just them noting it, they aren't going to DO anything about it...

https://frontier.yahoo.com/news/mueller-report-shows-fake-news-0745002
89.html

Irony, man...

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Friday, April 19, 2019 7:49 PM

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“we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes”

Who was this 'we'? Are there names attached to 'we'? Because ... why? Was there some legal reasoning laid out for examination? When did this supposedly happen? Was it before or after they got to the bottom of the barrel?

It sounds fishy.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 8:03 PM

AURAPTOR

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6 % of the report was redacted.

Dems were all for redactions when Ken Starr issued his report on Bill Clinton.

100% hypocrites are Dems.

To make the case, Starr left little, if anything, to the imagination. So the Dems changed the rules, and now Barr is working with the template the Dems made after the Clinton / Lewinsky fiasco.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3bm3b/frustrated-you-cant-read-th
e-mueller-report-you-can-blame-ken-starr


Aside from the fact there was no collusion, no obstruction, and the actual crimes were committed by the previous admin, the Hillary campaign, and those who were doing the investigation on Trump, the Dems anger should be directed squarely at - THEMSELVES.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 8:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Show me a rich politician and I'll show you somebody who's least embarrassing sexual endeavor was being peed on.



Is there ANYTHING you wouldn't excuse Trump from doing?



Sure.

But I certainly don't give a shit what he does behind closed doors with consenting adults.

As if you're some kind of Puritan, Wishy.

For shame.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 19, 2019 8:47 PM

AURAPTOR

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Trump didn't collude, didn't obstruct, and was fully compliant w/ the investigation. He didn't issue any executive privilege, didn't deny any access for interviews, despite the fact that this was 100% an political hit job, by the establishment and former admin, and completely illegal from it's origins of a fake , paid for political dossier.

So yeah, Trump tweets mean things. Wish he wouldn't.

Not worthy of impeachment, by any sane measure.

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Friday, April 19, 2019 11:14 PM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Trump didn't collude, didn't obstruct, and was fully compliant w/ the investigation. He didn't issue any executive privilege



You didn't even bother to read the highlights, did you brainless??




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Friday, April 19, 2019 11:16 PM

WISHIMAY

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


But I certainly don't give a shit what he does behind closed doors with consenting adults.




Only when it suits your purposes, right?

If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 2:18 AM

SIGNYM

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If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?- TWITCHY
As usual, you're assuming that people have ideas that they don't have.

I didn't scream about Monica and Bill, why should I scream about Hillary? Hell, if Hillary had a "normal" affair at least that would be one normal thing about her!

It would be really helpful if you, SECOND, "SHINY""GOOD"GUY", REAVERBOT, GSTRING and THUGR wouldn't make any statements assuming that the people that you're posting to hold certain ideas unless they've specifically stated so. I call that "arguing with the voices in your head" because you aren't responding to what people have posted but instead are responding to what YOU think "they" think. SECOND, for example, is CONSTANTLY arguing with Texas Republicans. The only problem is, there aren't any Texas Republicans here.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
“we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes”

Who was this 'we'? Are there names attached to 'we'? Because ... why? Was there some legal reasoning laid out for examination? When did this supposedly happen? Was it before or after they got to the bottom of the barrel?

It sounds fishy.

Rue, it does not sound fishy. You sound stupid and overly articulate. The full paragraphs from the Mueller Report (page 214 of 448):

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person’s conduct “constitutes a federal offense.” U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor’s judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.5

The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor’s accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President’s term, OLC reasoned, “it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment’s] secrecy,” and if an indictment became public, “[t]he stigma and opprobrium” could imperil the President’s ability to govern.”6 Although a prosecutor’s internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report’s public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining “that the person’s conduct constitutes a federal offense.” Justice Manual § 9-27.220.

You can make of these paragraphs what you will, but it plainly means Mueller, from the very start, before even beginning to work, will not indict Trump, even secretly for prosecution after Trump is out of office, no matter what is discovered.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:14 AM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


But I certainly don't give a shit what he does behind closed doors with consenting adults.




Only when it suits your purposes, right?

If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?



Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, your interpretation is wrong because what you remember is not what happened. Spitzer first drew the attention of federal investigators when his bank reported suspicious money transfers under the anti-money laundering provisions of the Bank Secrecy Act and the Patriot Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#Prostitution_scandal

Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to a front company for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal law requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS Criminal Investigation Division then began a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was the victim of either extortion or identity theft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

Spitzer did not learn from experience. He got into more prostitution trouble in 2016:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#2016_extortion_scandal

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Trump didn't collude, didn't obstruct, and was fully compliant w/ the investigation. He didn't issue any executive privilege



You didn't even bother to read the highlights, did you brainless??







What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.

Do you want to know what is odd and extremely telling? It is Trump saying, "I have no recollection." That was Trump's answer to every question asked of him by Mueller. That's the kind of answer you get from a crook that knows he cannot be waterboarded to get a real answer. Trump starts with "I have no recollection" on page 429 and ends with "I have no recollection" on page 438. Then Trump switched to "I do not remember" on page 439, for a little variety in not answering simple questions.

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, your interpretation is wrong because what you remember is not what happened. Spitzer first drew the attention of federal investigators when his bank reported suspicious money transfers under the anti-money laundering provisions of the Bank Secrecy Act and the Patriot Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#Prostitution_scandal

Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to a front company for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal law requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS Criminal Investigation Division then began a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was the victim of either extortion or identity theft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

Spitzer did not learn from experience. He got into more prostitution trouble in 2016:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#2016_extortion_scandal

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 11:34 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you voted for Trump because you have shit for brains. The FBI was watching Spitzer. When he realized that, Spitzer freaked out and resigned. He could have played it cool, like Trump would, and refused to resign. He couldn't be forced out and replaced with Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson. Neither can Trump be forced out and replaced with V.P. Mike Pence. But Spitzer was a weakling. He resigned.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR20080311003
80.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 20, 2019 11:50 AM

RUE

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Sadly Jack, you're right. Wiki gets 'corrected' by intelligence agencies. There are a number of incidents in past news that I've gone to check that don't match up with my recollection. And FWIW I remember the story as you told it.

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WISHIMAY

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What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.



You being a complete idiot triggers me. The report clearly stated communications were deleted. What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications? What innocent person orders others to do illegal things?? Why did the report take 400+ pages if he was innocent?? You and every member of the GOP are just... dirty.

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