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Turkey fails to assist Kurds in Syria, watches as Kobani burns

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Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This article was sent to me and explains very nicely why Turkey is sitting on its hands even though ISIS is right at its doorstep. According to the analyst, Brahma Chellaney,

Quote:

for President Erdogan, the Islamic State is a lesser evil than President Assad and the Kurds. So he is even not sending his ground forces to battle the Islamic State. After all, his policies have contributed to the rise of Islamic State. He will not put his army against the Islamic State. That is the reason why Turkish tanks are just watching silently as IS terrorists continue to attack this town of Kobani from all sides.... In fact, President Erdogan is telling Washington that if the US wants the Turkish military to intervene in Syria, it has to be on the specific promise by Washington that regime change in Damascus is part of the larger American game plan. And the Americans at the moment are reluctant to give that promise, and that is the reason why President Erdogan is not pressing his forces into action, even in Kobani, which is the city under siege by the Islamic militants.
http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2014/10/10/islamic-state-turkey1/

This explains the violent Kurdish protests (read: riots) in Turkey. Until recently, Kurds had an active military and political separatist movement. Failure by President Erdogan to assist Kurds in northeastern Syria (right on Turkey's border) may re-ignite the Kurdish military aspect.

It also is one more piece of evidence that Turkey has been an active partner in developing ISIS, because it has been busy funneling Saudi- and Qatari-funded arms to jihadists in Syria. That's in addition to leaked recordings of Turkey's top military command planning a false-flag operation from over the Syrian border in order to provide a "reason" for Turkey to attack Syria.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-audio-recording-turkey-plans-false
-flag-attacks-to-create-pretext-for-humanitarian-war-on-syria/5375824



So ISIS, like al Qaida, was created by Saudi Arabia. Unlike al Qaida, ISIS was also supplied by Qatar, with Turkey's assistance and the tacit (and sometimes active) approval of the USA, especially in the gun-running operations from Libya.

Regime change in Syria seems to be on the Saudi's mind as well. There are persistent reports that the USA has had to promise something to Riyadh for the Saudi's (lackluster, limited) participation in the anti-ISIS coalition.

Why Oil Is Plunging: The Other Part Of The "Secret Deal" Between The US And Saudi Arabia
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/why-oil-plunging-other-part-s
ecret-deal-between-us-and-saudi-arabia


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In effect, the USA and its coalition is fighting itself when its fighting ISIS. Because although the USA and its coalition would seem to be fighting ISIS, the reality is that ISIS is a useful tool for taking part of Iraq out from Iran's control, and for providing the USA and its partners a wedge into Syria to effect the final goal of removing Assad (allied with Iran and Russia) from power. For me, it's still an open question as to how vigorously the USA intends to pursue ISIS, because we have a history of fighting only SOME terrorists, but not others.

This wouldn't be the first time that the USA used jihadists to attain some "greater" geopolitical goal. After all, didn't we use jihadists in Afghanistan and Libya to achieve success? And look how well it worked out for them! And for us!

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Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Death toll in Turkish anti-ISIS unrest reaches 31

At least 31 people have been killed and 360 wounded in four days of protests over the fate of the Kurdish town of Kobani assaulted by the Islamic State jihadists in Syria, according to the interior minister Efkan Ala. Among those killed, the minister confirmed the death of two policemen in the city of Bingol. Some 1,024 protesters were detained in protests that affected 35 Turkish provinces.

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Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Death toll in Turkish anti-ISIS unrest reaches 31

At least 31 people have been killed and 360 wounded in four days of protests over the fate of the Kurdish town of Kobani assaulted by the Islamic State jihadists in Syria, according to the interior minister Efkan Ala. Among those killed, the minister confirmed the death of two policemen in the city of Bingol. Some 1,024 protesters were detained in protests that affected 35 Turkish provinces.


After President Peace Prize worked so hard to create and support ISIS, do you think this hiccup will delay his Tee Time?

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Sunday, October 12, 2014 2:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHAHAHA! President MIA seems to have taken his hands off the steering wheel.

I DO have to wonder what the policy is. That fact that Turkey has not stepped into the fray means that the USA has not offered any assurances that the Syrian government will be replaced. That kind of indicates to me that the USA and Saudi Arabia themselves have not come to the same agreement. So the State Department/ Pentagon/ CIA seem reluctant to commit to "regime change in Syria", and our sometimes allies in the ME are only nominally "fighting ISIS" ... providing a fig leaf, really, since only Saudi Arabia has actually dropped some bombs ... reluctantly, with mixed motives at best.





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Sunday, October 12, 2014 6:04 PM

JONGSSTRAW


For the first time in Barry's entire failed and disgraced Presidency I like what he's (not) doing. He's letting the fucking Muslim savages kill thousands of other fucking Muslim savages .... it's beautiful! Too bad the Turk cowards won't enter the fight, 'cause seeing those buttfuckers get slaughtered would be like icing on the cake.

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Monday, October 13, 2014 1:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I heard ... and it was an interesting perspective... is that the USA has gotten itself in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis and Shias. That until/ unless the two sects sort themselves out, there will be constant warfare between the two of them.

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Monday, October 13, 2014 5:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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What I heard ... and it was an interesting perspective... is that the USA has gotten itself in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis and Shias. That until/ unless the two sects sort themselves out, there will be constant warfare between the two of them.


Would this be the war that's been going on since WWII? Or WWI? Or for centuries? Or for millenia?

I am shocked, just shocked, I say, that Obammy didn't get the Breaking News that this has been going on, nor the Intelligence Briefing which followed that.

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Monday, October 13, 2014 10:36 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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What I heard ... and it was an interesting perspective



Uh huh ....


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Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Our so-called allies (Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE etc) in the Mideast really don't want to fight ISIS because it's their creation and they share ISIS' objectives. While it might look like a "bull's eye" to you, unless someone strikes it all of that concentration of jihadism isn't in our favor. And unless there are boots on the ground, ISIS will not be defeated.

Also, your particular map concentrates on Syria, but ignores the vast central swath of Iraq, Why?

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Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Each time I see this title, I assume the first Noun refers to Obammy.

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Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yes, it could be looked at that way!


Meanwhile, Turkey has dusted off its military, and it STRUCK!

Did it finally come to the aid of the Kurds in Kobani???

Well, not exactly.

Turkey's military pounded KURDS! IN TURKEY!

The name "Turkey" really is taking on a different connotation.

So, WHY are they in NATO, exactly? It's a little hard to say!

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Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yes, it could be looked at that way!




Turkey's military pounded KURDS! IN TURKEY!

The name "Turkey" really is taking on a different connotation.


Turks have been historically well known for pounding other men from behind. Nothing new.

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Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:21 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Well, IS is getting hammered in Kobane now. Seems to me the US has played this well - talk up the chances of the city falling to deny IS a major propaganda victory if it succeeds. Meanwhile, put some special ops on the ground (quite possibly) to guide the airstrikes onto IS targets, killing hundreds of IS fighters and tilting the battle in the Kurds' favour. I think this will be the containment strategy going forward.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:56 AM

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Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


This is a game the US is playing. It knows Turkey is on the side of ISIS. But it turns a blind eye to Turkey bombing Kurds and aiding ISIS, and it pressured Germany to accept the 'refugees' streaming out of Turkey, no questions asked. That's because the US - STILL - prefers ISIS to Assad. And, by extension, prefers ISIS to Russia and to Putin.

Just like our own local ISIS-loving propagandists. When they HAVE to choose between Russia and ISIS, they pick ISIS.


https://www.rt.com/news/323895-isis-smuggled-oil-iraq-syria/
‘Oxygen for jihadists’: ISIS-smuggled oil flows through Turkey to intl markets – Iraqi MP

Terroist group Islamic State earns millions of dollars selling oil on the black market in Turkey, Iraqi MP and former national security adviser, Mowaffak al Rubaie told RT. He also revealed that wounded terrorists are being treated in Turkish hospitals.

“In the last eight months ISIS has managed to sell ... $800 million dollars worth of oil on the black market of Turkey. This is Iraqi oil and Syrian oil, carried by trucks from Iraq, from Syria through the borders to Turkey and sold ...[at] less than 50 percent of the international oil price,” Mowaffak al Rubaie said in an interview with RT.

“Now this either get consumed inside, the crude is refined on Turkish territory by the Turkish refineries, and sold in the Turkish market. Or it goes to Jihan and then in the pipelines from Jihan to the Mediterranean and sold to the international market.”



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Meanwhile, Turkey has dusted off its military, and it STRUCK!

Did it finally come to the aid of the Kurds in Kobani???

Well, not exactly.

Turkey's military pounded KURDS! IN TURKEY!

The name "Turkey" really is taking on a different connotation.

So, WHY are they in NATO, exactly? It's a little hard to say!

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Monday, November 30, 2015 4:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No surprise there, the Turks hate the Kurds (it has been said because the Kurds take no shit from the Turks, or anybody else for that matter. Is it any wonder US troops fight alongside these particular freedom fighters).


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This article was sent to me and explains very nicely why Turkey is sitting on its hands even though ISIS is right at its doorstep. According to the analyst, Brahma Chellaney,

Quote:

for President Erdogan, the Islamic State is a lesser evil than President Assad and the Kurds. So he is even not sending his ground forces to battle the Islamic State. After all, his policies have contributed to the rise of Islamic State. He will not put his army against the Islamic State. That is the reason why Turkish tanks are just watching silently as IS terrorists continue to attack this town of Kobani from all sides.... In fact, President Erdogan is telling Washington that if the US wants the Turkish military to intervene in Syria, it has to be on the specific promise by Washington that regime change in Damascus is part of the larger American game plan. And the Americans at the moment are reluctant to give that promise, and that is the reason why President Erdogan is not pressing his forces into action, even in Kobani, which is the city under siege by the Islamic militants.
http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2014/10/10/islamic-state-turkey1/

This explains the violent Kurdish protests (read: riots) in Turkey. Until recently, Kurds had an active military and political separatist movement. Failure by President Erdogan to assist Kurds in northeastern Syria (right on Turkey's border) may re-ignite the Kurdish military aspect.

It also is one more piece of evidence that Turkey has been an active partner in developing ISIS, because it has been busy funneling Saudi- and Qatari-funded arms to jihadists in Syria. That's in addition to leaked recordings of Turkey's top military command planning a false-flag operation from over the Syrian border in order to provide a "reason" for Turkey to attack Syria.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-audio-recording-turkey-plans-false
-flag-attacks-to-create-pretext-for-humanitarian-war-on-syria/5375824



So ISIS, like al Qaida, was created by Saudi Arabia. Unlike al Qaida, ISIS was also supplied by Qatar, with Turkey's assistance and the tacit (and sometimes active) approval of the USA, especially in the gun-running operations from Libya.

Regime change in Syria seems to be on the Saudi's mind as well. There are persistent reports that the USA has had to promise something to Riyadh for the Saudi's (lackluster, limited) participation in the anti-ISIS coalition.

Why Oil Is Plunging: The Other Part Of The "Secret Deal" Between The US And Saudi Arabia
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/why-oil-plunging-other-part-s
ecret-deal-between-us-and-saudi-arabia


--------------------

In effect, the USA and its coalition is fighting itself when its fighting ISIS. Because although the USA and its coalition would seem to be fighting ISIS, the reality is that ISIS is a useful tool for taking part of Iraq out from Iran's control, and for providing the USA and its partners a wedge into Syria to effect the final goal of removing Assad (allied with Iran and Russia) from power. For me, it's still an open question as to how vigorously the USA intends to pursue ISIS, because we have a history of fighting only SOME terrorists, but not others.

This wouldn't be the first time that the USA used jihadists to attain some "greater" geopolitical goal. After all, didn't we use jihadists in Afghanistan and Libya to achieve success? And look how well it worked out for them! And for us!


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Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:19 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Death toll in Turkish anti-ISIS unrest reaches 31

At least 31 people have been killed and 360 wounded in four days of protests over the fate of the Kurdish town of Kobani assaulted by the Islamic State jihadists in Syria, according to the interior minister Efkan Ala. Among those killed, the minister confirmed the death of two policemen in the city of Bingol. Some 1,024 protesters were detained in protests that affected 35 Turkish provinces.

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Some Arabs as individuals are ok, but as a group islam destroys them
Too much BS in Western media, the lies of CNN, BBC, Fox get their BS feeds from Saudi Arabia....the Russians are close to Iran. This BrotherRachid guy cuts through a lot of BS


I think multi-culturalism will be put on hold for a while
and I'm sad to say some of the Turks in Germany and Switzerland are disgraceful disgusting people

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