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Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Our embassy in that prosperous secular nation that we "didn't destroy" (according to some here) is being evacuated

Quote:

US evacuates embassy in Libya amid clashes

http://news.yahoo.com/us-evacuates-embassy-libya-amid-clashes-11564546
5--politics.html


Yes, indeed! We sure improved THAT nation's future by bombing it, didn't we?

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!





Amb Stevens would say 'Oh, NOW you pull out ? "

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:23 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Our embassy in that prosperous secular nation that we "didn't destroy" (according to some here) is being evacuated

Quote:

US evacuates embassy in Libya amid clashes

http://news.yahoo.com/us-evacuates-embassy-libya-amid-clashes-11564546
5--politics.html


Yes, indeed! We sure improved THAT nation's future by bombing it, didn't we?



Now you're just whining - and almost hysterically. I'm honestly starting to worry, something's not right with you, what do you hope to gain by obsessing about things you can't change?

OR

Run for office and change things - complaining or predicting doesn't change anything.

Do you have a manageable solution for this, one that is actually doable, that would actually be put into place by this administration?

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



" The world is less violent than it has ever been. "

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


G, I'm starting to worry about YOU. Do you feel no compassion for the lives that have been irrevocably snuffed out, or made intolerable? Are you really such a selfish pig that you really don't care about so much death and regression, because the victims are too colored, too Muslim, too poor, or too socialist? Cause yanno, THAT'S the impression I'm getting of you. Comfortable. Willing to claw your way up onto the shoulders of drowning people, so you won't be inconvenienced by having to acknowledge that anyone's life (other than yours and other comfortable people "like you") is worth anything.

Do you live in a democracy?

Well then, why aren't YOU making a fuss?

I've already formed an impression of you, and it's not too far away from rappy. And well-deserved, as far as I can tell.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've already formed an impression of you, and it's not too far away from rappy.




Quite the compliment.




But I gather it wasn't meant as such, huh?

Because anyone who dares to disagree w/ the all knowing Siggy MUST be a selfish, evil, war mongering , greedy lover of money, or some such.

Sig - you really don't know me. Or anyone else here on this board, it seems.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sig - you really don't know me. Or anyone else here on this board, it seems.
I know you're selfish, to the point of being self-destructive. I know you argue for a system that would keep your wealth intact, even tho it's dysfunctional and destined to crash every few years because of the impoverishment of the PAYING CUSTOMER class. I know that you believe ridiculous things, because you've claimed ownership of many really stupid ideas already. What else is there to know?

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Sig - you really don't know me. Or anyone else here on this board, it seems.
I know you're selfish, to the point of being self-destructive. I know you argue for a system that would keep your wealth intact, even tho it's dysfunctional and destined to crash every few years because of the impoverishment of the PAYING CUSTOMER class. I know that you believe ridiculous things, because you've claimed ownership of many really stupid ideas already. What else is there to know?





And there we have it folks !

Exhibit A



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Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


With every post, rappy, you prove my point. I'm just waiting for Jongsstraw to post some pictures of pigs as an equally brainless addendum.

And, now, with even more priceless rappy-gems!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58378

Thanks for the bump!

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:39 PM

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dbl

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just so it doesn't get buried in rappy-crap, the last relevant post

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G, I'm starting to worry about YOU. Do you feel no compassion for the lives that have been irrevocably snuffed out, or made intolerable? Are you really such a selfish pig that you really don't care about so much death and regression, because the victims are too colored, too Muslim, too poor, or too socialist? Cause yanno, THAT'S the impression I'm getting of you. Comfortable. Willing to claw your way up onto the shoulders of drowning people, so you won't be inconvenienced by having to acknowledge that anyone's life (other than yours and other comfortable people "like you") is worth anything.

Do you live in a democracy?

Well then, why aren't YOU making a fuss?

I've already formed an impression of you, and it's not too far away from rappy. And well-deserved, as far as I can tell.



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Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:26 PM

G

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
G, I'm starting to worry about YOU. Do you feel no compassion for the lives that have been irrevocably snuffed out, or made intolerable? Are you really such a selfish pig that you really don't care about so much death and regression, because the victims are too colored, too Muslim, too poor, or too socialist? Cause yanno, THAT'S the impression I'm getting of you. Comfortable. Willing to claw your way up onto the shoulders of drowning people, so you won't be inconvenienced by having to acknowledge that anyone's life (other than yours and other comfortable people "like you") is worth anything.

Do you live in a democracy?

Well then, why aren't YOU making a fuss?

I've already formed an impression of you, and it's not too far away from rappy. And well-deserved, as far as I can tell.



Fuck, you really are nuts, and probably dangerous. How do you know I'm not making a fuss? Please answer that.

Your post, negative presumptions, all of them. You presume the worst of others to make yourself feel superior - egomania defined. None of the garbage you presumed about me is even close to the truth.
"Willing to claw your way up onto the shoulders of drowning people" can you please be a little more melodramatic?

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:31 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Obama totally fucked up Libya. It wasn't fucked up before Obama bombed them into the terrorist age.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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How do you know I'm not making a fuss? Please answer that.
Because you're constantly telling people not to make a fuss? Because you characterize my concern about people getting killed en masse as "just whining"? Because you're always on the side of shutting people up? What am I supposed to think, G? You're very consistent like that. Again: well deserved reputation.

Anyway, I got stuff to do which doesn't include talking with you.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

How do you know I'm not making a fuss? Please answer that.
Because you're constantly telling people not to make a fuss? Because you characterize my concern about people getting killed en masse as "just whining"? Because you're always on the side of shutting people up?

Anyway, I got stuff to do.



It's not so much the killing of people, en mass , as it is who is doing the killing.

Syrians , ISIS or Tutsi, meh... but by god, Israelis are the worst! Worse than Hitler!


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Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:50 PM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Our embassy in that prosperous secular nation that we "didn't destroy" (according to some here) is being evacuated

Quote:

US evacuates embassy in Libya amid clashes

http://news.yahoo.com/us-evacuates-embassy-libya-amid-clashes-11564546
5--politics.html


Yes, indeed! We sure improved THAT nation's future by bombing it, didn't we?



Should have left it to Gaddafi then? Think if he had put down the revolution things would have been much better? Might have been prosperous and secular, but not too comfortable for anyone speaking outside the party line.

That's one thing that I've always found funny about you. You support and defend regimes that would have you in jail - or worse - in a minute if you ranted against them like you do the U.S. and the Western Democracies.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:14 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
G, I'm starting to worry about YOU. Do you feel no compassion for the lives that have been irrevocably snuffed out, or made intolerable? Are you really such a selfish pig that you really don't care about so much death and regression, because the victims are too colored, too Muslim, too poor, or too socialist?

Signy, it's recently been brought to my attention that I've become quite irritable and crotchety when discussing death & destruction... now don't take this the wrong way, but you're kinda makin' me look like Mr. Sunshine lately. I don't know what you're going through, but I'd recommend a break from wrapping your head around all the antics of the self-serving slime of Humanity for a little while & disappear into some good science fiction books or something, little sister.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:10 PM

G

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
G, I'm starting to worry about YOU. Do you feel no compassion for the lives that have been irrevocably snuffed out, or made intolerable? Are you really such a selfish pig that you really don't care about so much death and regression, because the victims are too colored, too Muslim, too poor, or too socialist?

Signy, it's recently been brought to my attention that I've become quite irritable and crotchety when discussing death & destruction... now don't take this the wrong way, but you're kinda makin' me look like Mr. Sunshine lately. I don't know what you're going through, but I'd recommend a break from wrapping your head around all the antics of the self-serving slime of Humanity for a little while & disappear into some good science fiction books or something, little sister.



Amen - heartfelt and true.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Sig has a point. The only people here showing concern for the Libyans - WHO THE US BOMBED BY POLICY - is her. Everyone else seems to shrug it off.

G - BTW - I think of you as Geezer's new year's resolution to create a more credible presence on the board. With a new but thin and cheap coat of paint over the same old Ayn Randian rot. But anyway - it is the easiest, least costly thing in the world to anonymously post - yeah, US policy sucks. We DO choose to create death, destruction, and misery for innocent people. I will closely consider who I vote for next time. But you can't even be bothered to do that. Have you EVER expressed ANY concern - at all - for the unfortunate victims of US policy? In fact you do the opposite. You go out of your way to dismiss and trivialize the facts of death and destruction for gain. And you malign the poster who has the unmitigated gall to bring them to your attention.


So, Signy aside, what am I supposed to think about you?






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:45 PM

G

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Sig has a point. The only people here showing concern for the Libyans - WHO THE US BOMBED BY POLICY - is her. Everyone else seems to shrug it off.

G - BTW - I think of you as Geezer's new year's resolution to create a more credible presence on the board. With a new but thin and cheap coat of paint over the same old Ayn Randian rot. But anyway - it is the easiest, least costly thing in the world to anonymously post - yeah, US policy sucks. We DO choose to create death, destruction, and misery for innocent people. I will closely consider who I vote for next time. But you can't even be bothered to do that. Have you EVER expressed ANY concern - at all - for the unfortunate victims of US policy? In fact you do the opposite. You go out of your way to dismiss and trivialize the facts, and malign the poster who has the unmitigated gall to bring it to your attention.




Yes, I have, but you have chosen to ignore it time after time after time - so where does that leave you? Even when I have agreed with you, you have sought to be contentious - what does that say about you? Please answer that simple question.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:51 PM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

How do you know I'm not making a fuss? Please answer that.
Because you're constantly telling people not to make a fuss? Because you characterize my concern about people getting killed en masse as "just whining"? Because you're always on the side of shutting people up? What am I supposed to think, G? You're very consistent like that. Again: well deserved reputation.

Anyway, I got stuff to do which doesn't include talking with you.



That's you bailing. Typical - getting too close to you being found out "I have real life to attend to."
What have you done to help? Big talk on this forum?

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:49 PM

THGRRI

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....1kiki
Sig has a point. The only people here showing concern for the Libyans - WHO THE US BOMBED BY POLICY - is her. Everyone else seems to shrug it off.




There are those who take a holier than thou attitude and argue that perspective against all circumstances. Yet their true nature always reveals itself in the end as they document their prejudices themselves. Your and Sig’s judgmental attitude towards many here loses all credibility as your favoritism towards the east was exposed by you in your complete willingness to ignore its crimes against humanity.

Sorry but your allegations against more reasonable minds in these threads are baseless.



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Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:04 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Sorry but your allegations against more reasonable minds in these threads are baseless.

They're not baseless. You are being hyper-reactive here. You too easily get provoked into the us vs. them mantra that the world military industrial complex enjoys. If one focuses tightly on what's wrong or evil with U.S. policy & actions to the exclusion of all other equally evil policies & actions of other powers, that does not make them WRONG. You need to adjust your logic chip, my friend, and get that chip off your shoulder. YES, 'they' are guilty of heinous shit, just like 'we' are.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:29 PM

THGRRI

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Sorry but your allegations against more reasonable minds in these threads are baseless.

They're not baseless. You are being hyper-reactive here. You too easily get provoked into the us vs. them mantra that the world military industrial complex enjoys. If one focuses tightly on what's wrong or evil with U.S. policy & actions to the exclusion of all other equally evil policies & actions of other powers, that does not make them WRONG. You need to adjust your logic chip, my friend, and get that chip off your shoulder. YES, 'they' are guilty of heinous shit, just like 'we' are.



You missed the point. I am not taking any side except to say what 1kiki stated was bogus because......


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Yes, I have, but you have chosen to ignore it time after time after time ..."

Links please? I'm not on the board every single day, not even every week. And even then I don't read every post. But of all that I've read of yours, I haven't seen one example. OTOH I've seen you repeatedly dismiss SignyM's concerns for the effects of US policy on innocent people. Just like you did in this thread. So, by my reading, it's what you are.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:37 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Yes, I have, but you have chosen to ignore it time after time after time ..."

Links please? I'm not on the board every single day, not even every week. And even then I don't read every post. But of all that I've read of yours, I haven't seen one example. OTOH I've seen you repeatedly dismiss SignyM's concerns for the effects of US policy on innocent people. Just like you did in this thread. So, by my reading, it's what you are.



You are so consistently wrong it's amazing. I'm not dismissing Signym's concerns, just her shrill preaching. Acting high and mighty on a forum with about 20 people seems a bit over the top to me. Do you think it helps the worlds victims to post your outrage on FFF.net? Just in case you didn't realize - people can say anything on a forum.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Should have left it to Gaddafi then? Think if he had put down the revolution things would have been much better? Might have been prosperous and secular, but not too comfortable for anyone speaking outside the party line.

That's one thing that I've always found funny about you. You support and defend regimes that would have you in jail - or worse - in a minute if you ranted against them like you do the U.S. and the Western Democracies.

GEEZER- So let's see... In Libya under Qaddafi, you had plenty of food, free education open equally to both men AND women, reliable utilities, a generous housing allowance for newlyweds, and a secular government. Well, you might have to be careful of the guy on the top, and what you said about him.

NOW, under US-sponsored "freedom", you're legally enslaved (if you're a woman), education is no longer available to ANYONE, you not only have to worry about what you say about the militia that controls your little patch of ground... but of the next two or three militias who might take its place, food is hard to come by, housing is hard to find and utilities are unreliable at best, AND you get a daily dose of shooting and shelling!

So, overall, if you're a Libyan, who was best for you: Qaddafi or the USA?

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You are so consistently wrong it's amazing. I'm not dismissing Signym's concerns, just her shrill preaching. Acting high and mighty on a forum with about 20 people seems a bit over the top to me. Do you think it helps the worlds victims to post your outrage on FFF.net?
G, which is better- posting your outrage on fff.net, or posting your complacency?

Most of the interesting people have left the board- Gino, Succatash, Kwicko, Ghoulman, etc. The only ones remaining, for the most part, are rightwingers and liberals.

Where I got into trouble with the liberals here on the board is when I got off the Democrat versus Republican track. Because all would be well, according to liberals, if only Democrats were fully in charge.

"G", formerly known as PIZOMBEACH and DAVE, I know that you contributed to NIKI's trip to the Gulf states to clean up BP's mess. I do that too... contribute to direct action causes, recycle etc. What you fail to realize is that all of those rearguard actions are pretty pointless.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JONGGSSTRAW, always ready with a pointless picture!



But thanks for the bump! (See? Your picture wasn't so pointless after all!)

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:06 AM

THGRRI

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It seems to me Sig we took a back seat in deposing Qaddafi. What we did to the Shu grin of the Republicans was support Europe in their deposing Qaddafi i.e. France. Which showed how much Europe gets a free ride in protecting the world from future acts of aggression. They ran out of bullets. Can you imagine, they ran out of bullets.

I find it incredible you of all people support a dictatorial way of life as long as there is food and free education open both to men and women.

Obama took a lot of grief over not getting more involved in Egypt as well. Instead he stayed out of it and let the Egyptian people hash it out amongst themselves. Doing that allows us (deniability) to not be blamed by Egyptians for what they wind up with. Some still will including you I am sure. They too had food and education for both men and women but did not like living under the heal of a non-representative government.

There was bound to be a time when the people of the Middle East rose up to demanded to be allowed to live their lives with the benefits modern time’s avails. Here it is. Many have over the years criticize the USA for supporting dictatorships in the Middle East. Now you find ways to criticize us for Libyans rising up and demanding choice to be a part of their lives. If they make a mess of it, so be it.



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Sniggy The Piggy says:


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I find it incredible you of all people support a dictatorial way of life as long as there is food and free education open both to men and women.
I find it incredible that you support a dictatorial way of life WITHOUT water, food, medicine, and education.

Because, if you look at all of the places where we've meddled recently, the people have not only wound up poorer (if not dead), they've also wound up significantly LESS FREE. Especially women. Or are you going to tell me that ISIS is an improvement over Saddam, and that al Qaida is an improvement over Assad?

This isn't just a recent trend, though, as historians have counted our overthrow of over 40 democratically-elected governments since 1900.

We have a fascination with bombs, missiles and guns. Somehow, we have the impression that we'll improve a country if we destroy it.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:49 AM

THGRRI

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…Sig
I find it incredible that you support a dictatorial way of life WITHOUT water, food, medicine, and education.



I don’t support a dictatorial way of life period. I would suggest you are the one always defending dictatorships or authoritarian regimes i.e. Russia

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….Sig
Because, if you look at all of the places where we've meddled recently, the people have not only wound up poorer (if not dead), they've also wound up significantly LESS FREE. Especially women. Or are you going to tell me that ISIS is an improvement over Saddam, and that al Qaida is an improvement over Assad?

…Sig

What I remember is the Libyan people begging us for help. Yet it was France that led the way, we just backed them up. Again, what the Libyans do with it is up to them.

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…Sig
This isn't just a recent trend, though, as historians have counted our overthrow of over 40 democratically-elected governments since 1900.



I see no evidence of that, and after reading all the other unsubstantiated posts against this country made by you, I will declare that bogus. Besides I don’t really think you understand what defines a democracy. Claiming to be one does not make if so.

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….Sig
We have a fascination with bombs, missiles and guns. Somehow, we have the impression that we'll improve a country if we destroy it.



It was the Chinese who first learned the process of blowing things up. They taught the rest of the world. If you look at Putin it is obvious to me it is best we are the best at it.



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:50 AM

THGRRI

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I don’t support a dictatorial way of life period.
Why do our bases protect Saudi Arabia, which isn't a quaint little harmless monarchy but a functioning dictatorship which turns women into chattel? Why did we support the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan, and al Qaida in Syria?

Are you only in favor of dictatorships when we "get something" out of it, like cheap oil? Is your love of freedom conditioned on how much it might cost you? 'Cause, yanno, if you're against dictatorship, be against it, consistently

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:14 PM

THGRRI

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Me
I don’t support a dictatorial way of life period.

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Why do our bases protect Saudi Arabia, which isn't a quaint little harmless monarchy but a functioning dictatorship which turns women into chattel? Why did we support the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan, and al Qaida in Syria?



Are bases in Saudi Arabia are to establish a place from which we can respond quickly to trouble in that region. There are still over a million people living today in this country alone who fought in WW11. They also have oil. We need the oil and if we overthrow the government there you would bitch about that to. So we do business with who is running the place. We still push them to change their ways. So be it gently.

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Are you only in favor of dictatorships when we "get something" out of it, like cheap oil? Is your love of freedom conditioned on how much it might cost you? 'Cause, yanno, if you're against dictatorship, be against it, consistently



Just dumb here. Nothing I wish to respond to.



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:27 PM

THGRRI

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I see no evidence of that

With detail
http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of_overthrow

List, to about 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html




Both your links are to opinions by Robert Sherrill and William Blum. They are statements about events in history without sources listed by researched history books or anyone else. Why do you think this is in any proof of your claims?

I should also point out you post these links as proof to the United States overthrowing 40 democracies around the world and I see reasonably democratic referred to in the first link and in the second I keep seeing communism mentioned not so much democracies. I see these links as proof you made up us overthrowing 40 democratic countries.

These articles are exactly the kind of posting you always do. This happened, that happened with no researched evidence or context.



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:31 PM

CHRISISALL


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I see no evidence of that

With detail
http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of_overthrow

List, to about 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html


*sigh* No one's gonna read factual material that they have already decided is false.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:20 PM

G

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You are so consistently wrong it's amazing. I'm not dismissing Signym's concerns, just her shrill preaching. Acting high and mighty on a forum with about 20 people seems a bit over the top to me. Do you think it helps the worlds victims to post your outrage on FFF.net?
G, which is better- posting your outrage on fff.net, or posting your complacency?



I don't post my complacency - so wrong if you are implying that.
Between the 2, neither is "better." Your posting style probably puts more people off that might actually have agreed in principle to your ideals, so that's a definite negative.

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Most of the interesting people have left the board- Gino, Succatash, Kwicko, Ghoulman, etc. The only ones remaining, for the most part, are rightwingers and liberals.

Where I got into trouble with the liberals here on the board is when I got off the Democrat versus Republican track. Because all would be well, according to liberals, if only Democrats were fully in charge.

"G", formerly known as PIZOMBEACH and DAVE, I know that you contributed to NIKI's trip to the Gulf states to clean up BP's mess. I do that too... contribute to direct action causes, recycle etc. What you fail to realize is that all of those rearguard actions are pretty pointless.



I don't fail to realize that Niki's action was largely symbolic, so wrong again. I contributed because she's a doer and I admire her for that, and I knew it meant a lot to her.
Signym, lives in a nice bungalow in Calif with an IT husband probably pulling down 1% money. Never thought she was as smart or as good as her older sister so she has thin skin when it comes to her intelligence, constantly needs to bolster her own sense of self, often with negative presumptions, pushing others down (falsely) so she can feel better. Close?


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BWAHAHAHAHA!

Not even!

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Both your links are to opinions by Robert Sherrill and William Blum. They are statements about events in history without sources listed by researched history books or anyone else. Why do you think this is in any proof of your claims?
Because I cross-checked these lists (which were linked as a convenient starting point) against other sources, and I lived thru a number of them and know about them from personal history. Good enough?

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Are [sic] bases in Saudi Arabia are to establish a place from which we can respond quickly to trouble in that region.
What kind of trouble might that be? Wouldn't it be a tyranny with a nearly endless source of money which funds and promotes jihadists and terrorists all around the world? A nation with a hugely corrupt leadership which treats women and non-Muslims as subhuman? You mean, THAT kind of trouble?

And, if not THAT kind of trouble, what kind of trouble are you yapping about?

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There are still over a million people living today in this country alone who fought in WW11.
Huh? We're there to protect the elderly?

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They also have oil. We need the oil and if we overthrow the government there you would bitch about that to.
No, I wouldn't. And I lived thru the oil embargo of 1973, so I know what that's like.
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So we do business with who is running the place.
Not exactly.

NSA Helps Saudi Arabia Crush Dissent … Like It Helps Crush Dissent at Home
http://investmentwatchblog.com/nsa-helps-saudi-arabia-crush-dissent-li
ke-it-helps-crush-dissent-at-home/#XuzZXK1mzEL7rKIl.99


This is just one of many articles which details our active support of tyranny in the Middle East.

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We still push them to change their ways. So be it gently.
No, we don't. We supported their operations in Libya and Syria, and were all on-board when Bandar "Bush" bin-Sultan threatened Putin with Chechnyan terrorism during Sochi.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


See here G, apparently when Signy posts about shit, you think it's JUST WHINING. Did I misquote you? I very carefully posted your first 2 posts in their entirety below.

No credit to the topic, no acknowledgement that just maybe the facts are true, nope - only a pointed finger at someone who's JUST WHINING. Along with blamestorming b/c you ASSUME SignyM isn't personally DOING SOMETHING about it.

So, are you going to discuss the topic - ever - or continue to assassinate Signy's character instead?

BTW, I'm curious if you think the information that our government is doing this shit all around the globe with our money in our name - the government we're responsible for b/c we continue to vote it in place - is important.


Now you're just whining - and almost hysterically. I'm honestly starting to worry, something's not right with you, what do you hope to gain by obsessing about things you can't change?
OR
Run for office and change things - complaining or predicting doesn't change anything.
Do you have a manageable solution for this, one that is actually doable, that would actually be put into place by this administration?

Fuck, you really are nuts, and probably dangerous. How do you know I'm not making a fuss? Please answer that.

Your post, negative presumptions, all of them. You presume the worst of others to make yourself feel superior - egomania defined. None of the garbage you presumed about me is even close to the truth.
"Willing to claw your way up onto the shoulders of drowning people" can you please be a little more melodramatic?




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Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:01 PM

THGRRI

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Both your links are to opinions by Robert Sherrill and William Blum. They are statements about events in history without sources listed by researched history books or anyone else. Why do you think this is in any proof of your claims?
Because I cross-checked these lists (which were linked as a convenient starting point) against other sources, and I lived thru a number of them and know about them from personal history. Good enough?



I lived through much of this myself and my understanding of what took place and why differs slightly from yours. Your cross checking means nothing without links for me to see what you are referencing.

Let's not drift from the main point as you like to do when challenged. You still have not provided proof that the United States was responsible for overthrowing 40 democracies.

Or why it matters to you that Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship if all have free health care. You seem to think that was all that mattered about Libya. Food on the table and school is all that's required according to you.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Or why it matters to you that Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship if all have free health care.
Libyans had significantly more freedom than Saudis, and Libyan women's freedom was incomparably better than Saudis. Now, they have significantly less.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Let's not drift from the main point as you like to do when challenged. You still have not provided proof that the United States was responsible for overthrowing 40 democracies.
Yanno what? I've been down this road before. I posted background on all of this several years ago for GEEZER, when even the liberals were begging me to stop. It took me many hours of looking, posting over three days. In the end, of course, none of the information... declassified memos, leaked briefings, historic records... was ever good enough. GEEZER kept on believing what he wanted to believe.

At some future time, I will see if I can find those posts.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:26 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Libyans had significantly more freedom than Saudis, and Libyan women's freedom was incomparably better than Saudis. Now, they have significantly less.



If history has taught us anything it has taught us nothing is forever. I don't quite see where you have the right to deny Libyans the right to chose for themselves or decide if they would have been better off if they had not risen up against a dictator. They did chose to do so without any prodding from us.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:29 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Let's not drift from the main point as you like to do when challenged. You still have not provided proof that the United States was responsible for overthrowing 40 democracies.
Yanno what? I've been down this road before. I posted background on all of this several years ago for GEEZER, when even the liberals were begging me to stop. It took me many hours of looking, posting over three days. In the end, of course, none of the information... declassified memos, leaked briefings, historic records... was ever good enough. GEEZER kept on believing what he wanted to believe.

At some future time, I will see if I can find those posts.



Not to worry. I am just establishing with you what is necessary to debate with me. Subjective posting along with hear say and biases won't cut it with me.

Take Libya for example. Nothing to do with us except minimal support after they started a revolution themselves yet you blame us. When I see how low you set the bar for it to meet with your standards of being able to blame us, I tend not to take your cries of outrage to seriously.

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