N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of ‘Double Voting’ in 2012 by AURaptor

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N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of ‘Double Voting’ in 2012

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Thursday, April 10, 2014 22:07
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Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:32 AM

America loves a winner!

Just another 'glitch' ?

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North Carolina’s Board of Elections found that tens of thousands of registered voters from the state have personal information matching that of registered voters in other states, and appear to have voted in states other than North Carolina in 2012. In some cases, votes were cast under names of individuals who had passed away before Election Day.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/374882/nc-state-board-finds-more-
35k-incidents-double-voting-2012-andrew-johnson

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:56 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Changes in N.C. voting laws and the requirement for voters to present photo identification at the polls will not stop anyone from voting in two states. Digital face-recognition or electronic-signature technology will also not stop anyone from voting in two states unless law enforcement cooperates across state lines after elections. The election was in 2012, it now is 2014, and nobody was arrested across state lines for fraud. No arrests is the real story. NC state police need to cross into SC and bring people back across the state line in handcuffs.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:59 AM

REAVERFAN

From the comments:

This article does a fantastic job of obfuscating the fact that there's no claim that any of these people actually voted in more than one state. It's basically reporting what we all know to be true - if you move to a new state, you remain registered in the old one, even if you no longer vote there. But way to go, National Review, for suggesting wrongdoing where none apparently exists. I'd love to see evidence that even one person voted in one state, then traveled to another state on the same day to vote in another. I mean, there is none, of course, but I'd be impressed if someone managed to pull that off.

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:40 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
I'd love to see evidence that even one person voted in one state, then traveled to another state on the same day to vote in another. I mean, there is none, of course, but I'd be impressed if someone managed to pull that off.

And that is why nobody was arrested. But Tea Party only needs to create plausible reasons to justify more rules to restrict voting. Sometime soon, new rules will be enacting into law without much protest from NC citizens.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:57 AM

REAVERFAN

It's tricky! They don't want black people to vote, but they do want poor white evangelicals. How to do that?

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:10 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by second:
But Tea Party only needs to create plausible reasons to justify more rules to restrict voting.

All while bitching about government over-reach.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

You need to show ID to buy beer, but not to vote.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:14 PM

REAVERFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You need to show ID to buy beer, but not to vote.

The ID requirement keeps more legitimate voters from voting than it does to prevent voter fraud. That's because voter-based fraud is virtually nonexistent, even after all the studies they did to try to show that there was any.

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:11 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You need to show ID to buy beer, but not to vote.

You need a background check for many jobs, but not to own a gun.

Because not all things are equal, fuckwit.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You need to show ID to buy beer, but not to vote.

The ID requirement keeps more legitimate voters from voting than it does to prevent voter fraud. That's because voter-based fraud is virtually nonexistent, even after all the studies they did to try to show that there was any.

You saying it doesn't make it true.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

And all those dead voters are not fraudulent? Even in LA where the dead vote in alphabetical order in each Parrish?
Just because nobody is looking for the fraudulent voters does not mean they do not exist.

You realllllly, reallllly think democraps are not disenfranchising honest voters?
How can any reasonable person think the kids bragging on live TV about voting 7 times and how they did it in concert with the Dem organizers were not real (Milwaukee was one of the places)?
How can any reasonable person think that 141% voter turnout (but only in wards which only registered 2 votes for each non-liberal party) is not fraudulent? (Madison, WI in most elections - But when Moscow had like 104% libtards said that was evidence of fraudulent/corrupted elections.)
Or the dumpster full of illegally pre-filled out and illegally pre-signed by election official and illegally pre-validated ballots? (Racine WI 2012 or 2013)

Your blinders must eventually get worn out - where do you keep getting replacements?

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, come up with some facts to back up you claims. MmK?

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 7:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, come up with some facts to back up you claims. MmK?

What part of " votes were cast under names of individuals who had passed away before Election Day " is hard for you to follow ?

Dead people should not be voting. Nor should folks be voting twice, in two different states.

When that happens, it's a sure sign of a problem. You dismissing it out of hand, because it doesn't follow a narrative you even want DISCUSSED tells bunches about you.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 4, 2014 10:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ignored this one for a while, 'cuz I figured it was bullshit. And damned if it's not--despite Fan showing it's a flat-out lie, the righties go "right" on insisting on what's not true.

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registered voters from the state have personal information matching that of registered voters in other states.

As pointed out, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY VOTED TWICE, only that they're STILL REGISTERED in the state they left. It's a non-starter, unless they show facts and figures that they actually VOTED TWICE.

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The review found that 35,570 North Carolina voters from 2012 shared the same first names, last names, and dates of birth with individuals who voted in other states. Another 765 Tar Heel State residents who voted in 2012 had the the same names, birthdays, and final four digits of a Social Security number as voters elsewhere.

NOTE: NOWHERE does it say any of those people actually VOTED TWICE. Being registered is not voting.

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Meanwhile, the election board’s executive director, Kim Westbrook Strach, told lawmakers that 81 deceased North Carolinians apparently voted in 2012 as well. While some appear to have submitted absentee ballots prior to their death, she said “there are between 40 and 50 who had died at a time that that’s not possible.”

NOTE: Only "between 40 and 50" could actually be fraud…in one entire state. The others VOTED WHILE THEY WERE STILL ALIVE.

There have always been miniscule cases of "dead people" voting, but unless one of you can come up with fact and figures about how many ACTUAL ILLEGAL VOTES WERE CAST, it's all bullshit. Which is what it is.

Of course voter fraud is wrong; the problem is, you still haven't found evidence that much of it exists. The heading "More than 35K Incidents of 'Double Voting'" is a flat-out lie, note they put "double voting" in quotes. In other words, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Rap putting up a lie, then repeating it when it's been debunked, says everything we already KNOW about HIM.

Thanx, Fan; I knew this thread would turn out to be bullshit.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 7:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, come up with some facts to back up you claims. MmK?

What part of " votes were cast under names of individuals who had passed away before Election Day " is hard for you to follow ?

Dead people should not be voting. Nor should folks be voting twice, in two different states.

When that happens, it's a sure sign of a problem. You dismissing it out of hand, because it doesn't follow a narrative you even want DISCUSSED tells bunches about you.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

For all libtards, these facts are hard to follow. Hence, "those facts are lies, we don't like those facts" and "we never said those lies we said, nobody can prove that those lies we said were said by us" type of logic.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 8:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://howmanyofme.com/

There are 45,964 people named John Smith in the United States.

765 That's a far cry from tens of thousands.

Aside from people who moved between one election and the next, there's a simpler explanation than having tens of thousands, or even a few hundred, deeply motivated people driving from state to state voting - and that's identity theft. There are many reasons for people to assume false identities: escaping child support and/ or alimony, escaping other debt, escaping the law, escaping abusive spouses etc. It doesn't mean one person voted twice, it just mean two people with the same identity voted separately.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://howmanyofme.com/

There are 45,964 people named John Smith in the United States.

Strach said North Carolina's check found 765 registered North Carolina voters who appear to match registered voters in other states on their first names, last names, dates of birth and the final four digits of their Social Security numbers. Those voters appear to have voted in North Carolina in 2012 and also voted in another state in 2012.

"Now we have to look individually at each one," Strach said. "Could there have been data error?"

The crosscheck also found 35,570 voters in North Carolina who voted in 2012 whose first names, last names and dates of birth match those of voters who voted in other states in 2012, but whose Social Security numbers were not matched.

765 That's a far cry from tens of thousands.

Aside from people who moved between one election and the next, there's a simpler explanation than having tens of thousands, or even a few hundred, deeply motivated people driving from state to state voting - and that's identity theft. There are many reasons for people to assume false identities: escaping child support and/ or alimony, escaping other debt, escaping the law, escaping abusive spouses etc. It doesn't mean one person voted twice, it just mean two people with the same identity voted separately.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

So you've finally woke up and admitted election fraud exists? Next thing, you'll realize only libtards and other Democrats are the culprits.

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Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:07 PM

REAVERFAN

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So you've finally woke up and admitted election fraud exists? Next thing, you'll realize only libtards and other Democrats are the culprits.

First, no one denied that it exists. What is known (and backed up by endless studies) is that it's rare. So rare, in fact, it can hardly be called a problem, let alone an epidemic or a "libtard" (how original!) scheme.

1Kiki already told you the rest. They'll investigate further and find out it's nothing. Again.

Then the right will once again pretend they never brought it up.

It's amusing watching you twist in the wind, though. You're wrong, yet again, and still primed to believe every BS lie the reichwing spews.

...Until another liberal comes along and debunks the BS by doing nothing more than thinking with a modicum of logic.

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