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GOP Throws In The Towel: The End Of Debt Limit Extortion (for now...)

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Thursday, February 13, 2014 13:46
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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:47 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Wrapped inside House GOP leaders' proposal to extend the debt ceiling was a subtle concession that the days of debt limit extortion were over.

But on Tuesday morning, they abandoned even that. A Republican source in the room during a meeting confirmed to TPM that "we will be bringing up a 'clean' debt limit bill tomorrow. [Speaker John] Boehner made clear the GOP would provide the requisite number of Republican votes for the measure but that Democrats will be expected to carry the vote."

The proposal that surfaced Monday evening, only to be ditched by Tuesday morning, was as bipartisan as it comes: the plan reversed recently enacted cuts to military retirement benefits, which both parties overwhelmingly support. It's paid for by extending the mandatory sequestration cuts to Medicare providers for an extra year, which Democrats have also supported.

It became clear Tuesday morning what many suspected all along: House Republicans don't have nearly enough votes to pass their debt ceiling bill on their own, and the debt limit bill will pass with Democratic support. Reps. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and Mo Brooks (R-AL) admitted as much to reporters in the Capitol after a special conference meeting on Monday evening. Many hard-right members don't want to vote for any borrowing limit hike.

"Doing it on the debt ceiling is just playing games with our military retirees," said a House Democratic leadership aide on Monday.

So the debate is all procedural and cosmetic. Both parties' leaders insist that default is not an option. Republicans wanted to package the two in order to save some face and claim they "got" something for raising the debt limit. Democrats wanted to do them separately in order to adhere to their insistence on "clean" debt limit hikes -- no strings attached, no threats to default, no hostage-taking of the economy by the party out of power. It's now clear that Democrats won that debate.

The military cost-of-living adjustments in the Ryan-Murray budget deal could be undone at a later date. A standalone bill to do just that moved forward in the Senate by a vote of 94-0 on Monday. The only question is whether that'll happen in conjunction with -- or independently from -- raising the country's borrowing authority. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-plan-end-debt-limit-extortion


Wait for it...
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Tea Party Group Pushes To Unseat Boehner After Debt Ceiling Surrender

The outside tea party-aligned group Senate Conservatives Fund is calling for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to be replaced in response to House Republican leadership's decision to push a clean debt ceiling hike.

The powerful outside group's call came in an email to supporters on Tuesday, shortly after House Republicans announced that they would give up on previous demands for a debt ceiling extension and instead support a clean hike.

"Unless we install a new leader who will actually go on offense, Democrats will never fear us and we will never have any leverage," Senate Conservatives Fund Executive Director Matt Hoskins wrote in an email. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/senate-conservatives-fund-replac
e-boehner



Yup, absolutely; it's not about the well-being of the country or its people, it's about making Democrats "fear" them. Hasn't got anything to do with honorably paying the government's bills, it's all about appearances. That's the GOP in a nutshell, folks.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Extortion?

The very language of the Left defies all logic & honesty.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah. I actually don't disagree with Niki's assessment about fear based tactics.

If only she weren't perched atop a $17Trillion+ podium of Debt that says that somehow I owe somebody nearly $55k of that debt just because of my address number, even though I don't own a penny to a single person or creditor.



The Demoncrats want to keep adding more to the debt, and nearly equally guilty Rethugs want to crucify somebody for it. What else is new.

Any suggestions at how we can keep social programs afloat without adding anything to my $54,562 tax bill Niki?

I'm sure going to be pissed off when the Chinese come to my front door to collect that money.


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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Looking around for more details on this, I found a some interesting ones:
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On Monday night, Mr. Boehner laid out a plan to link the debt ceiling increase to legislation that would have reversed a cut to veteran retirement benefits. But conservative Republicans opposed the plan.

Mr. Boehner explained the decision to go forward with a “clean” debt ceiling bill as a reflection of the political reality that he simply did not have enough Republican votes to pass anything more ambitious. Many of the conference’s most conservative members refused to rally behind any debt ceiling increase that fell short of an audacious wish list of Republican policy proposals.

“I think in the end, there weren’t the votes for something modest,” said Representative Jim Jordan, Republican of Ohio.

“It’s the fact that we don’t have 218 votes,” he said after meeting with House Republicans, “and when you don’t have 218 votes, you have nothing.”

He added that he expected almost all of the House Democrats to vote to pass the bill, though he said he would still need to muster about 18 Republican votes to get the legislation over the finish line.

At a breakfast with reporters on Tuesday, Gene B. Sperling, the director of the White House National Economic Council, said the president did support bipartisan efforts to reverse a trim of 1 percentage point to cost-of-living increases for working-age veterans — at least for those already receiving such benefits. That seems to indicate that he would have signed a debt ceiling increase with that provision. More at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/politics/boehner-to-bring-debt-ce
iling-to-vote-without-policy-attachments.html?_r=2




So apparently it might have passed, it just wasn't extreme enough for House Republicans who are afraid of the being targeted by the far right powers that be.

Interestingly, it not only breaks the "Boehner Rule" (which holds that any debt ceiling increase should be attached to spending cuts of equal size), I saw mentioned elsewhere that it also breaks the Hastert Rule (that Republicans would never bring anything to the floor that doesn't have the support of a majority of Republicans).

Personally, I find that latter extremely offensive; I'd heard about it before but forgotten. The idea that either party would refuse to even bring a bill TO THE FLOOR (I assume that means it can't even be debated?) unless the majority of their party approved of it is particularly disgusting to me.


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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Sober, practical budgeting of how much the US govt spends is anything but " extreme ".

Obama campaigned by calling smaller deficits as reckless & unpatriotic.

Now? The left are saying the opposite.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:57 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...aaaand, right on cue, here comes Mr. Look At Me:
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A divided U.S. House voted Tuesday to let the government borrow enough money to pay its bills for the next year, sending the measure to the Senate in an effort by Republican leaders to avoid another politically damaging legislative impasse over spending.

In the Senate, GOP leaders urged against a filibuster of a clean debt-ceiling bill by their colleagues.

By refraining from a filibuster, which would require 60 votes to overcome, the Senate's 45 Republicans can oppose the increase in the borrowing limit without getting accused of obstructing the 55-member Democratic caucus from passing it.

However, GOP Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a leader of the conservative tea party wing in Congress, said Tuesday he would filibuster the measure to force a 60-vote threshold.

Senate leaders had wanted to vote on the debt ceiling plan no later than Wednesday, before the arrival of the storm. It was unclear if Cruz's threatened filibuster would prevent an immediate vote from taking place.

If Congress doesn't pass a debt ceiling measure Wednesday, further action was unlikely until February 25 -- two days before the Treasury chief's deadline -- because of a shortened congressional work schedule in coming weeks due in part to the Presidents Day break.

Republicans across the ideological spectrum agree that another round of political brinksmanship could harm their party after it got blamed for October's federal government shutdown. http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/11/politics/house-gop-debt-ceiling/




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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:04 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sober, practical budgeting of how much the US govt spends is anything but " extreme ".

Obama campaigned by calling smaller deficits as reckless & unpatriotic.


Hard to imagine why any country would continue to underwrite America with our $17.3 Trillion debt. I suppose it's like the Mafia putting money out on the street. They don't expect or want to get paid back; all they really want is the vig, the juice, the points. That's about a Trillion a year, so it's the gift that keeps on giving. But it really is a national humiliation any way you look at it. It reminds me of "Less Than Zero" when drug dealer James Spader said to indebted drug addict Robert Downey "I'm carrying you like I'm stupid." But at least he did have a way for the debt to be paid off. America's own "on its knees" moment will come when the dollar crashes and our money is worthless.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:...aaaand, right on cue, here comes Mr. Look

At Me



No, look at THE FACTS ! That I'm the one bringing them up, much to your consternation, doesn't change them 1 iota. Or, as Barry would say... " a smidgen "

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jong, holding the country hostage isn't the way to solve the problem...those are BILLS our country has rung up which must be paid, to begin with. It's not about doing what's right, if you haven't read any of the facts they are quite clear that it's about "making Democrats fear" them, and what Boehner proposed that they wouldn't accept was ADDING the military's cut-off funds back IN, which has nothing to do with lessening the debt.

I'm not going to get into debating the debt with you, it's a complex issue and not the simplistic "loan shark" scenario you on the right like to make it out to be, and people know that, but I know the futility of wasting my time as if you and your buddies were here to actually, you know, communicate.

Oh, would someone please tell our resident troll that "Mr. Look At Me" refers to Ted Cruz, not him? Thank you.




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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Well, Ted is being the practical one here, and that by no means is " look at me " for the sake of self aggrandizing.

That's Barry's department.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:23 AM

CHRISISALL


What would Nancy Reagan say to America's debt?

Just Say No.

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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



If only there were something we could do!

We're totally helpless!


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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:34 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Good one! I wonder if they would know what to do if the battery for their car lock went dead and the door wouldn't unlock. How long, if ever, would it take them to figure out they could actually just use the key?

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


The Republicans do something bi-partisan, and the response is "GOP Throws In The Towel"

Yeah, that's gonna encourage such behavior in the future.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I find it amazing how Niki can simply avoid all of my posts. Even when I'm making a damn good point and I'm not being offensive. Must be nice to live so comfortably that you can just ignore problems that don't effect you.


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Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:34 AM

STORYMARK


Look, anyone can re-title and mis-appropriate a commercial!







"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I bet the Democrats would form a group to promote a 3% additional tax on smokers to help cover costs of more routine escalator maintenance so this would never happen to anybody ever again.

If anything, this commercial to me is simply a reflection on how sad most Americans today are.

Don't look at me. I've replaced not one, but two sump pumps while knee deep in freezing cold water in the last 14 months. I fixed my furnace through trial and error and when I couldn't do anymore I found a DIY forum where an actual certified HVAC guy helped me put the last pieces together. I recently got my snowblower working by learning what a spark-plug was and how to clean it. I even restored my hardwood floors in my house and had to rent entirely new equipment from Home Depot to fix the damages caused by renting the 30 year old beast from the local ma'n'pa store.

Point is, I knew nothing about any of these subjects when I tackled them. Now, I can do them for myself anytime in the future and I can even make a few bucks or favors on the side with this knowledge.

Just by doing the things listed in the paragraph myself, I saved not a dime less than $3,000 in labor charges. The "implied" value of that knowledge is priceless though. It means that as long as I'm physically and mentally able, I will never NEED to pay a "pro" to do any of those things, or even things closely related to them. Not only that, but as I said before, there is quite a bit of potential of making money or keeping your family and friends owing you one when you can do something with ease that they wouldn't even know where to start.

Getting stuck on an escelator..... It was funny, and I wonder what they were selling, but I don't see how it would fit with being a Republican outside of uber Liberal circles. The same could easily be said vice-versa for just as cartoonish reasons.



My advice to EVERYONE.

Don't even use the escalator. It is a mindless luxury and in some ways is a perfect Metaphor for the decadence of "America".

You know the phrase "If it's not broke, don't fix it"?

Here's my phrase...... "If it didn't serve any meaningful purpose before it broke, don't charge the taxpayers to fix it."



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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:56 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I find it amazing how Niki can simply avoid all of my posts.



Asshat. Look up all the stuff you've said to her and be amazed if she ever reads ONE word you write.

You have lost the right to ever be listened to by Niki. No go smoke a cigarette or something.


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I am not the sucker of the day.


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Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:46 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Look, anyone can re-title and mis-appropriate a commercial!







Good one! Ahh, those crazy Republicans...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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