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Obamacare Fails to Attract Young People It Needs

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Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:41 PM

JONGSSTRAW


"The young, healthy people needed to keep Obamacare from going into a "death spiral" still aren't signing up for insurance, new numbers reveal.

According to state-by-state surveys conducted by CNN, out of the three states that provided their own data, there are fewer Obamacare enrollees between the ages of 18-34 than the government had projected.

Kentucky reported 19 percent of its enrollees are in that younger age bracket. Connecticut reported 22 percent in that age group, and Washington state reported 23 percent.

The numbers still are preliminary, pointed out CNN, as the Department of Health and Human Services has released no demographic data. But they show lower numbers among young people than the Congressional Budget Office had projected, when it said that 2.7 million — or 38 percent — of the 7 million of the those signing up for insurance would be younger adults.

"There's general agreement that we need younger and healthier people to offset the costs of sicker people coming into the system," Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, said. "That's what will add more stability."

If not enough young, healthy people sign up, insurers will have to raise their rates, discouraging even more young customers from buying coverage and leading to the "death spiral" critics have warned about.

Others, though, say it's too early to be talking about death spirals.

The open-enrollment period runs through March, and experts say people who are already ill and have no coverage always were expected to sign up for Obamacare quickly, with healthy people putting off their signups.

"It’s too early to know for sure," Mark McClellan, who ran the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under President George W. Bush and was in charge of launching the Medicare prescription drug program, told Politico. "What’s going to matter is not the enrollment numbers over the next few weeks, but what the enrollment looks like come February or March."

As far as the total number of people signing up is concerned, by Tuesday afternoon, 133,257 had chosen new insurance plans in 14 states that have their own signups, nearly half enrolling over the past two weeks."


"Death Spiral"? Wasn't that a wrestling move performed by Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat back in the 80's?

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Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:20 PM

JONGSSTRAW





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Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:32 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"out of the three states that provided their own data"..."The numbers still are preliminary"..."no demographic data"...

Oh, and I love "they show lower numbers among young people than the Congressional Budget Office had projected"...gee, y'think? With MASSIVE problems on the website, that surprises exactly who??

Jongs is now apparently too scared to even PUT UP the link to where he got that article. I'll fix that for him: http://www.NEWSMAX.com/Headline/Obamacare-young-failure-enroll/2013/11
/20/id/537697


But EVEN NEWSMAX admits "The open-enrollment period runs through March, and experts say people who are already ill and have no coverage always were expected to sign up for Obamacare quickly, with healthy people putting off their signups. What’s going to matter is not the enrollment numbers over the next few weeks, but what the enrollment looks like come February or March."

Ironically, Newsmax lifted what it wanted almost directly from CNN's story (if you go to the CNN link below, you'll see the text is virtually identical), but left out quite a bit, including the following:
Quote:

"There's lots of evidence to suggest that people needing serious medical care are most likely to purchase insurance initially. Those who don't have urgent medical needs are more likely to purchase insurance later."

What's more, age is only a piece of the puzzle. Since those applying for insurance no longer disclose anything about their health, Zirkelbach says insurers won't have a good sense of their medical needs -- and what it will cost to cover them -- until well into 2014.

"There is essentially no risk of a 'death spiral,'" says MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, who helped design the ACA as well as the Massachusetts law on which it was modeled. "There are substantial risk mitigation mechanisms as well as subsidies that will attract in healthy enrollees." Most important, say Gruber and Zirkelbach, is a section of the ACA under which the federal government will pick up a substantial portion of the losses for the next three years, if the program goes sour for insurers.

Gruber warns that that the early data are ripe for over-interpretation. While fewer young and healthy customers would mean higher premiums, "it's hard to say how big a difference 28% vs. 38% makes -- we just don't know."

Most experts expect the pace of enrollment to accelerate, as the HealthCare.gov website starts to function better and potential customers have more of a chance to explore their options. http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/politics/obamacare-enrollment-update/]


So it's another non-news news story by Newsmax. But hey, that "death spiral" just jumped out and BIT Jongs, and our little PacMan just gobbled it up. Works for him!

ETA: Aside from all of that, remember RomneyCare?




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Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:45 PM

JONGSSTRAW


^^ I love Newsmax. I cite them all the time, just as I do lots of other sources. The only thing that's "too scared" is Niki. She sees Obama and his Admin collapsing, and Obamacare crumbling right before her half-closed eyes. Congrats, she's now among the miniscule 7% who deny it too.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:42 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I love Newsmax. I cite them all the time....


You know, what someone is telling you exactly what you wanna hear, and it's all just too neatly wrapped to be fully credible, is exactly the time you should be most suspicious, but when it comes to conservatives it's all gobble-gobble-gobble without so much as a whit of skepticism, much less fact checking.

Case in point, if you sum up the dumbfucks who fell for this by political affiliation, care to guess which end of the political spectrum is highly represented ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

So chug chug chug that koolaid, especially in light of the fact that newsmax was founded as a yellow-journalism propaganda rag and has been caught red handed selling bullshit stories made up out of the blue on no less than four occasions.
http://www.populistdaily.com/politics/newsmaxcom-and-the-new-phony-jou
rnalism.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsmax_Media#Controversies

When I call the right wing stupid and gullible, this is not an insult, but a pure statement of empirical fact.

-Frem

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