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Bandar "Bush" bin Sultan uncorking terrorism?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Sunday, November 3, 2013 22:25
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Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You may not have heard (in the American press anyway) that Bandar "Bush" bin Sultan, Prince of Terrorism, threatened both Blair (2007) and Putin (2013) with additional terrorist acts unless they did as he commanded. (Blair folded, Putin didn't.)

After Obama failed to fire on Syria and took steps to open relations with Iran, several Saudi officials expressed their profound disappointment in the American line. Saudi Arabia turned down a coveted seat on the UN Security Council... one that the USA had been lobbying for for a few years... as an expression of their frustration with Obama on a whole number of issues, including Syria.

Bandar himself said
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that Saudi Arabia would make a “major shift” in policy away from the United States.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/24/saudi-fears-and-myste
ries.html


The above article explains a good deal about US-Saudi relations; what it DOESN'T really talk about is Bandar's personal, unwavering support of Salafist (Wahhabist) terrorists everywhere... ie al Qaeda... who are now active in every nation that we (the USA) have destroyed and several that we haven't (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Mali, and the Sudan region).

Personally, I can't help but see an implied threat in that message. If Bandar Prince of Darkness were to unleash terrorists in Syria, and elsewhere in the ME it would be difficult for the USA administration to denounce - let alone expose- the pro-terrorist activities of our nominal ally. But I think the process has already begin: The Syrian "rebellion" has become increasingly dominated by foreign jihadists who butcher people mercilessly and who refuse to participate in peace talks. Also, there is a noticeable uptick in terrorist killings in Russia in the past month.

I noticed that Russia has moved its only aircraft carrier from the Pacific into the Mediterranean, as well as several world-class destroyers. I expect that they're expecting trouble, either from Israel or Saudi-backed foreign jihadists in Syria, all of whom have the common goal of destroying Iran.

If we were to REALLY want to pull the plug on jihadists we would pull the economic plug on Saudi Arabia. Otherwise, hang on to your hats.

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I don't understand why you felt the need to interject " Bush " into his name.

What's that about ? Nothing in the linked story makes such a reference.

Bandar was Saudi Arabia's U.S. Amb for 20+ years.

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" Neither the Saudis nor other Arab states (nor, in fact, Israel) understand Obama’s Mideast policy—and that’s the heart of the problem."


It is a tricky mess.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I interjected "Bush" into the name because that nickname was given to him by George "Dubya" Bush
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Bandar has formed close relationships with several American presidents, notably George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, the latter giving him the affectionate and controversial nickname "Bandar Bush"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:15 PM

CHRISISALL


We must invade Saudi Arabia.

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I interjected "Bush" into the name because that nickname was given to him by George "Dubya" Bush
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Bandar has formed close relationships with several American presidents, notably George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, the latter giving him the affectionate and controversial nickname "Bandar Bush"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan



Beats calling him turd blossom, I suppose.

Thanks for clarifying.

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:18 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
We must invade Saudi Arabia.



War monger.

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:23 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
We must invade Saudi Arabia.



War monger.


Well, we invaded Iraq, and unlike Saudi Arabia, they had nothing to do with 9-11.

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


But think of the effect on oil prices!

Don't know if you all know this, but Saudi Arabia has been fracking its own oil fields for close to 15 years. This is worth reading

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-08-05/commentary-why-is-saudi-a
rabia-not-a-threat-to-fracking


Also

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/14/fracking-comes-to-saudi-arabia-d
espite-limited-water-resources
/

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 12:49 PM

CHRISISALL

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Problem is, we sort of have each other by the huevos. Our alliance with the Saudi royal family (a western creation) began with FD Roosevelt and has never been fundamentally changed since Nixon. Carter tried to readjust our relations with the ME after the oil embargo, but yanno what? The oil companies, (Bush, Bush, and Cheney as reps) were just making too much damn money to stop. Meanwhile, the Saudis have been going further and further afield in the terrorism business.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/851884ae-4005-11e3-8882-00144feabdc0.html#ix
zz2jbkvoZhP


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There is no doubting Riyadh’s horror at the sudden prospect of US-Iranian detente

In 1945 Franklin Roosevelt, on his way home from the Yalta summit with Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin, met King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud on a US warship midway up the Suez Canal. Having settled the disposition of postwar Europe, FDR laid a foundation stone of the postwar Middle East: the US would underwrite the security and integrity of the kingdom Ibn Saud had only recently united by the sword, and the Saudis would guarantee the free flow of oil westwards at reasonable prices. That deal now looks as though it may be falling apart.

Saudi Arabia, ruled by Ibn Saud’s aged sons, is so exasperated by US behaviour in the Middle East that this month it took the unprecedented step of refusing to take the coveted temporary seat to which it had been elected on the UN Security Council. Things got worse after Reuters reported that Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi spy chief, warned of a shift away from the US in private remarks echoed by public ridicule heaped on US policy towards Syria by Prince Turki al-Faisal, for long the kingdom’s intelligence chief.

As former Saudi ambassadors to Washington, both men are more than familiar with the vagaries of US policy making. They may or may not be channelling the sentiments of King Abdullah, the ailing Saudi monarch. But they did not come down with the last shower of rain.

The Saudi message, turned up to unwonted volume for a ruling family that prizes discretion, is that Barack Obama’s administration is so unreliable and indecisive that the kingdom must start looking elsewhere for allies. But is this for real or just an unusual cri de coeur?

There have been Saudi-US rifts before. The oil embargo and price shock after the 1973 Arab-Israeli war was one; the estrangement after September 11 2001, when 15 of the 19 hijackers who attacked the US were revealed to be Saudis, was another. But the relationship survived.

The Saudis unquestionably have a point about US policy in the Middle East. The White House’s performance over Syria has been a bewildering mix of bungling and cynicism. Mr Obama’s reluctance to punish Bashar al-Assad for using nerve gas on civilians has undeniably revitalised the Damascus regime, demoralised mainstream Syrian rebels and given credibility to the poisonous narrative of jihadi extremists. The Obama administration has so far, moreover, been no less of a dishonest broker in the unequal negotiation between Israel and the Palestinians than most of its predecessors, notwithstanding secretary of state John Kerry’s efforts to rekindle a peace process. But is it Syria and Palestine that are really driving Saudi thinking? Or is it the House of Saud’s pathological fear of two other things: the chaotic change wrought by the upheavals of the Arab awakening, and the possibility of a US rapprochement with Iran, its rival for Gulf control?

Once Mr Obama gave his blessing to the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt in 2011, and began dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood, seen by the Saudis as a rival to their Wahhabi brand of Islam, the al-Saud came to regard this US president as a handmaiden of sedition.

The absolute monarchy stifled any murmur of dissent, lavished tens of billions of dollars in subsidies on its citizens, and sent troops into Bahrain to quell an uprising by the majority Shia against the Sunni ruling family. With the army overthrow of the Brotherhood in Cairo this summer, Riyadh and its Gulf allies instantly pledged almost 10 times the annual US aid to Egypt. Yet there is no doubting the Saudi horror at the sudden prospect of US-Iranian detente.

The Saudis happen to be on the right side on Syria, against a vile despot slaughtering his own people. But that is not because they want democracy for the Syrians. It is because they wish to undermine Iran by bringing down its Syrian allies, the Assads, and because the Wahhabi fanaticism underpinning the Saudi state at home and abroad abominates the Shia as heretics.

The darkest side of the so-called Arab spring is the sectarian whirlwind it has loosed across the region. There is, of course, a conventional power struggle going on between (Shia) Iran and (Sunni) Saudi Arabia. But there is also a tidal wave of sectarian poison for which the Wahhabi clerical establishment in the kingdom is heavily responsible – as their school textbooks enjoining the faithful to spurn the infidel and combat the (Shia) idolater well attest.

The Saudi royals’ frustration with Mr Obama is in part justified. But if they want to retreat into full-throated Wahhabism and pursue a reactionary and sectarian agenda turbocharged by petrodollars, then this is perhaps a good moment for the west to review this relationship.

It has always been exceptionalist: the deal with the US actually started when Roosevelt made non-belligerent Saudi Arabia eligible for American aid under the wartime Lend Lease Act of 1943. But it is time it stopped being a relationship dripping with deference by the west and dollars by the Saudis, a spectacle of liberal democracies sucking up to an absolute monarchy governed by the precepts of medieval theologians.


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Sunday, November 3, 2013 5:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Yah, they pay the bastards something like Danegeld to "take it somewhere else", which occasionally our so-called-protectors played on, like pushing them into the Soviets in Afghanistan that time...
And of course it's never not once come back to bite us on the ass - hell, *everybody* knows Putin is funnelling money and guns to them tribal dickheads on the Paki border while no doubt laughing up his sleeve about it and we can't even dare call him on it.

Problem the Saudis never managed to figure was that paying Danegeld... results in payin Danegeld - and if they ever cut off the tap them bastards will bring the terror home, but it they don't, it'll destabilize the region and either way hits them economically so the situation is essentially untenable.

Sure, they've backed themselves into a corner there, but I really can't feel that sorry for em about it.

-F

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Sunday, November 3, 2013 10:25 PM

CHRISISALL


To quote Travolta from Broken Arrow, Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

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