Delhi rape: how India's other half lives by Magonsdaughter

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Delhi rape: how India's other half lives

POSTED BY: MAGONSDAUGHTER
UPDATED: Friday, September 27, 2013 01:07
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Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:00 PM

Thank god for the Guardian, where someone does a bit of investigative journalism and can still write thought provoking, intelligent articles. Be warmed, its graphic in content, describing the horrors that J endured during her torment, but also suprisingly lacking in the bray for blood.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/10/delhi-gang-rape-india-wom
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Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Yeah. Real tale of woe alright.

Too bad the MSM here in this country is blind to the raping of a nation by the D.C. elites.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Your comparison insults the memory of this woman.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 4:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Magons, that's a horrible story. It's a combination of the worst of old-time dehumanization (along gender lines, in this case) and modern urban anonymity. Unfortunately, this is prolly a masturbation fantasy for rappy, whose experience with free women appears to be nonexistant.

I think women are abused almost everywhere. You could find similar stories in Pakistan, Afghanistan, almost everywhere in Africa, and in many places in the so-called "civilized" west. One of the differences tho between India and other abusing cultures is that you can see WOMEN out on the street, in force, in India. Women in India have technically more legal protections than other southern Asian and other African nations. It hardly seems to make a difference in the face of such pervasive misogyny, but there are more remedies available to women in India (where dowry is actually illegal) than elsewhere.

Given that so many young men in the western world are conditioned by the ubiquitous presence of porn (which is becoming more absusive, apparently) and video games that virtualize rape, the problem of male abuse seems insoluble. Any ideas?

Also, while the woman was raped and killed, there were many male victims in this story as well. In general, it seems that cultures that are violent towards women are also violent towards men.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 5:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Your comparison insults the memory of this woman.

Probably. I didn't read the article.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 5:38 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Did you not get this story in the US????????

It was a really big story. Even if you didn't read the article, surely you heard of what happened? If not, then the US is even more insular than I thought.

Signy. I thought this was a great article, one that looked at the conditions that produce/allow such brutality to happen. "Eve baiting" the term for sexual harrassment is so prevalent that in many parts of India, women do not work in hospitality and other industries where they would have to endure such treatment.

Like here as well, the outrage is partly because of the status of the young female victim, and her male friend. Instead of being one of the faceless underclass who endure this and worse on a regular basis and it gets not an iota of media attention.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 5:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

MAGONS- We got the article in the US. It was a big story here, too. Rappy just had his head stuck up his ass when it came out. Yanno- where it usually is.

India is a giant fustercluck, a shabby comparison to China, and not a real good example of the superiority of "democracy" and "free markets". I don't know what it would take to really reform India; there have been so many attempts already and none of them have worked.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 8:21 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

meh, I feel much more optimistic about India, especially compared to China. I know where I'd prefer to live any day.

The thing about India is that it is a huge complex societies, layers of complexity, different languages, religions, castes, traditions. And so so many people. It is a fledgling democracy still, no doubt about it, and it struggles with corruption at every level of society...still compared to its neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, its a bastion of freedom and prosperity. And it has this great literary tradition...a tradition of free and open comment on society. It's produced wonderful brave writers... so I'm hopeful.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 7:49 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Unfortunately, this is prolly a masturbation fantasy for rappy, whose experience with free women appears to be nonexistant.

If it's anyone's fantasy it has to be yours.

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Monday, September 23, 2013 9:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Unfortunately, this is prolly a masturbation fantasy for rappy, whose experience with free women appears to be nonexistant.

OMG ! It's like you're INSIDE my head! You know me SO well!

ROFLMAO!!!

No,wait. You don't know me at all. And I'm clearly the one living in YOUR head, rent free.

C R A S S I C !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The thing about India is that it is a huge complex societies, layers of complexity, different languages, religions, castes, traditions. And so so many people. It is a fledgling democracy still, no doubt about it, and it struggles with corruption at every level of society...still compared to its neighbours, Pakistan and Bangladesh, its a bastion of freedom and prosperity. And it has this great literary tradition...a tradition of free and open comment on society. It's produced wonderful brave writers... so I'm hopeful.

Meanwhile, China is light-years ahead of India in terms of literacy, lifespan, material goods, and equality between the sexes. You may prefer to live in India as a white woman, not so sure you'd prefer to live in India as an Indian woman... especially as a woman of a lower caste.

Not that I'm saying China doesn't have its faults... the relentless efficient search for "the good life for most" by the Central Committee has left China a rather soulless consumerist society. OTOH, they have the luxury of now wanting to get back to their roots (if they so choose) and of wanting to reform corruption w/o having to combine it with life-leeching depriviation.

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Friday, September 27, 2013 1:07 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Anyone of lower caste has a pretty shitty time of it, but I think Indian women of the higher castes have quite an amount of power, including political power. I also think there is a city/rural divide and have no doubt that life would be pretty difficult for women in villages.

Still, an interesting feature of their system is the village democracy. Not entirely without problems, but as you can see women are better represented than in my country - latest government has one female minister.
http://www.dandc.eu/en/article/after-25-years-elected-village-councils
-india-democracy-still-needs-be-deepened

I suppose its horses for courses in some way. Pick your oppression. Do you prefer the weight of vast inequality or state control. Personally, I'd prefer the working chaos that is India, to the state controlled capitalism of China, but if you're being oppressed by either system it kind of a moot point as to how you are oppressed.

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