The private sector is doing fine

America loves a winner!

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Why are you asking me to explain HIS asinine comments ?
I'm not.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

He's the one who had to come back and cover his own ass. Not me.

This was a HUGE gaffe Mr Wonderful's part. I don't see how you folks don't see that... or you do, and you're just trying to stick up for him somehow ?

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Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:05 AM

HKCAVALIER

Of course he was covering his ass! It's been established that he was covering his ass! No one here has suggested otherwise. You say it's a "huge" gaffe. But at the end of the day, huge or small, that is all it is: A GAFFE. Who gives a fuck? It will be forgotten by everyone but you in a week. Maybe you can dig up some 4 year old junk from Rev. Wright to prove how "huge" this gaffe truly is, because we "hardly know" what level of gaffe this President is capable of.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:09 AM

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This was a HUGE gaffe Mr Wonderful's part.

Huge like starting a WAR over one man's lie? Or huge like I hate Obama & anything he does ain't perfect I'll jump on him for?

He messed up. So rutting what? And 'Mr Wonderful'??? Please dude, get real, no one here worships the man.

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Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:14 AM

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This was a HUGE gaffe Mr Wonderful's part.
Huge like starting a WAR over one man's lie? Or huge like I hate Obama & anything he does ain't perfect I'll jump on him for?

He messed up. So rutting what? And 'Mr Wonderful'??? Please dude, get real, no one here worships the man.

Who lied ? Which 'one man', and what was the lie ?

A President should know better than to claim the private sector is 'fine', when it clearly isn't. Only in HIS mind, he did't 'mess up'. He literally thinks the private sector IS fine. That's how completely out of touch this douche bag is, and why it's so damn important that he and his policies be tossed the HELL out of office.

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Saturday, June 9, 2012 5:48 PM

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This was a HUGE gaffe Mr Wonderful's part.

So was that post, in more ways than one.

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Saturday, June 9, 2012 5:56 PM

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This was a HUGE gaffe Mr Wonderful's part.
Huge like starting a WAR over one man's lie? Or huge like I hate Obama & anything he does ain't perfect I'll jump on him for?

He messed up. So rutting what? And 'Mr Wonderful'??? Please dude, get real, no one here worships the man.

Who lied ? Which 'one man', and what was the lie ?

So you're saying that Dubya truly wasn't concerned about Bin Laden after 9/11?

Was it a lie, or was it a gaffe? And if that was indicative of his policies, why did you so badly want him kept in office?

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A President should know better than to claim the private sector is 'fine', when it clearly isn't. Only in HIS mind, he did't 'mess up'. He literally thinks the private sector IS fine. That's how completely out of touch this douche bag is, and why it's so damn important that he and his policies be tossed the HELL out of office.

Of course, you, McCain, and the whole Bush team insisted that everything in the economy was fine - "on fire", even - during the 2008 meltdown. So, was it a gaffe, or were you all lying?

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Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:13 PM

By the way, Romney says the economy is doing fine, too. Why else would he say "I'm not worried about the very poor"? Or did he say that because he's just an unfeeling prick?

Was it a gaffe, or was he accidentally telling the truth for the first time?

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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So apparently Obama agrees with Romney that we don't need more cops, firefighters, or teachers.

So apparently you didn't listen to, or read a transcript of, the news conference and you don't have a clue as to what Obama said.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:20 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, unlike our right-wing retreads here, I listened to the press conference, and I have to say that this is yet one more reason why I'm not voting for Obama. The guy simply cannot seem to grow a spine, he's constantly weaseling and ducking and playing to big business and the banks. The REALITY is that this financial-turned-economic crisis could be solved rather quickly. It would be painful for those who caused it- namely, the banks and the ultra-wealthy- but the path forward is pretty simple:

1) Separate out "banks" and "insurances" from "investments", and regulate banks and insurances so that they will be once again safe places for your money.

2) Require 100% capitalization on all loans. This prevents banks from (literally) making money. Leave the money-making to the government, which is (last I checked) the ONLY authority empowered by Congress to issue currency.

3) Tax the ultra-wealthy...a lot. Recycle the money downwards. My vote on this would be to invest in healthcare, education and the environment... investments which the private sector is unlikely to make. Why recycle the money downwards? Because it doesn't matter HOW MUCH money you inject into the economy if you inject it at the top, it will stay at the top. As we know, neither trickle down nor austerity works.

4) Impose high tariffs on all cheap-labor imports. Injecting money into the economy will not create jobs if the money is used to purchase foreign-made products.

5) Solve our debt by winding down our foreign adventures.

*dusts off hands*

Problem solved.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:14 AM

America loves a winner!

'Taxing the ultra wealthy, a lot '. ( As if they're not being taxed already.) Yeah, Carter tried that, how'd that work out for him ?

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You got it Sig, in a nutshell. Of course, there's a snowball's chance in hell ANY of it will actually happen...and it's not just Obama, it's DEMS who need to grow a spine...not that they ever will (see above).

I posted a careful explanation of why, although the tax rate for the rich is SUPPOSEDLY 30% (or something, depending), that's not what they PAY. So this bullshit of them being "taxed too much" already is just that--bullshit. But it's the same bullshit, along with all the rest, that Raptor spews every day, over and over...all that's missing thus far (as much as I read of it) is something about "childish". That should be coming shortly.

....and, that's all this thread is worth. Just more back-and-forth. I miss the old Chris...

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:46 AM

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'Taxing the ultra wealthy, a lot '. ( As if they're not being taxed already.)

Yeah, that's funny, but why can't you address Mike's comments?? Oh, cause you CAN'T. You & your rightie friends don't make gaffs (and if you DO, ignoring them will make them go away, I guess).

You're so full of it.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:50 AM

America loves a winner!

Hate to break it to ya Niki, but the 'ultra wealthy ' do pay their fair share, and them not paying MORE isn't the reason the economy is in dire straits. It's because the govt spends TOO GOD DAMN FUCKING MUCH OF OUR MONEY!

That's IT, in a nut shell.

PS - And Chrissy, when Kwickie makes a valid point, I'll address it.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:03 AM

No you won't, but it's cute that you think that.

Oh, and your little temper tantrums are cute, too. Do we need to call you a waaaaaambulance, you big crybaby?

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:19 AM

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the govt spends TOO GOD DAMN FUCKING MUCH OF OUR MONEY [ON BLOWING SHIT UP]!

Hey, agreement at last!

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:23 AM

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the reason the economy is in dire straits.

I could make a list that would hurt your head to read, but I'll make it REAL easy for ya: greed.

And here's a hint: it's not the greed of POOR people.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

It worked for all of you pussies on either side before...

LOL...

You're like the 0.0003 percent that gives a shit, but still you all fight....

To the rest who are voting, and don't have a clue, and ultimately make the "Democratic" decisions, it's even more mindless than Dancing with the Stars...

If I were 14 now and old enough to vote, longest legs would win by far....

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:15 PM

America loves a winner!

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the govt spends TOO GOD DAMN FUCKING MUCH OF OUR MONEY [ON BLOWING SHIT UP]!

Hey, agreement at last!

More like bridges to no where, airports for dead congressmen which don't serve anyone, excessive trips by the President making campaign appearances....

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:31 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, son, what percent of the Federal budget goes into the military?

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'Taxing the ultra wealthy , a lot '. ( As if they're not being taxed already.)

If you're not worth at least three million dollars, you have no business defending the ultra-wealthy.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:02 PM

LOL, good one, Signy.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:38 PM

America loves a winner!

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Taxing the ultra wealthy , a lot."

"Yeah, Carter tried that, how'd that work out for him ?"

Actually, Carter dropped them. How'd that work for him? Reagan and Clinton raised them. How'd that work for them? Bush the Dumbya dropped them. And we all know how well that workee for him. Except you of course. But don't feel bad. You provide entertainment.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:20 PM

Just numbers and lines to AU; got a soundbite from a Right-wing lapdog he can chew on?

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:26 PM

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"Taxing the ultra wealthy , a lot."

"Yeah, Carter tried that, how'd that work out for him ?"

Actually, Carter dropped them. How'd that work for him? Reagan and Clinton raised them. How'd that work for them? Bush ... dropped them. And we all know how well that workee for him. Except you of course. But don't feel bad. You provide entertainment.

Carter didn't drop them, sorry. He slightly cut Corp. taxes, which still remain the highest in the world. Look at your own chart. Reagan cut income and cap gains taxes. The latter he cut far more than Carter, and only raised them up again to their previous levels, in '86, after the recession was over. Those tax increases were off set w/ the cuts in other areas, putting to rest the lie that so many on the Left say about Reagan 'raising' taxes. He did, while he cut others at the same time.

And yes, W dropped them, and they worked great. Only the govt spent too much $ , and there were a couple of wars, after the 9/11 attack. But you'd like to pretend none of those things happened, I guess.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Did Carter raise taxes - yes or no?

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:08 PM

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And yes, W dropped them, and they worked great.

So well, in point of fact, that we had a depression. Bubble burst. War costs. More war costs. And that idiot Obama continued it.

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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'Taxing the ultra wealthy , a lot '. ( As if they're not being taxed already.)- Signy
Yeah, Carter tried that, how'd that work out for him ?-Rappy
Did Carter raise taxes - yes or no?- Kiki

Ooooohhh!!!! Is that a gaffe from rappy???

I'm got my popcorn. Waitin' for an answer!

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Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oh c'mon little Rappy - don't run away from YOUR VERY OWN THREAD b/c of a simple yes/ no question. It's fun, and I’m not done playing. You'll see how fun this will be.

I'll keep coming back to remind you that I still want to finish the game.

And I promise I won't hurt you --- much.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 2:26 AM

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And yes, W dropped them, and they worked great.

So well, in point of fact, that we had a depression. Bubble burst. War costs. More war costs. And that idiot Obama continued it.

Tax cuts got us OUT of a recession. Had nothing to do w/ the housing bubble bust ( mostly a Dem created issue ) or the war costs. You have no argument here, Chris. It's laughable that you're even trying to have this fight.

And Carter kept taxes high when interest rates were high. Might not have raised them, but keeping them that high had a negative effect on the economy.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 5:54 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

'Taxing the ultra wealthy , a lot '. ( As if they're not being taxed already.)- Signy
Yeah, Carter tried that, how'd that work out for him ?-Rappy

Did Carter raise taxes - yes or no?

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Monday, June 11, 2012 5:58 AM

CAVETROLL

Obama saying the private sector is doing fine is the same, and just as significant as McCain saying that the fundamentals of the economy are in good shape, way back in 2008. I remember the media dogpile on McCain over that gaffe. Obama is just as deserving of a media dogpile over the same mistake in 2012.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 6:06 AM

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Tax cuts got us OUT of a recession.

Prove it.

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Had nothing to do w/ the housing bubble bust ( mostly a Dem created issue )

There you go again.
A Dem issue? Prove it. Because if that were really the case, what happened in Europe and what's happening in China? (And I'll bet you dollars to donuts that you never answer this question, even though I intend to pursue you with it.)

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You have no argument here, Chris.

No, apparently you have no argument. Aside from repeating the same talking points over and over a gain. Yep, "The economy's ON FIRE!" How's that talking point strategy working for you? Because insisting that everything was great as the economy approached a precipice... even as I was warning you SPECIFICALLY that the economy was going to crash.... just shows that you have zero understanding of what makes an economy run. And everything else you've said on the topic was wrong. Since you're supposedly all about "facts", why do even imagine that - with your track record - we would pay the slightest attention that what you say? That would be like betting on a horse that never finishes.

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And Carter kept taxes high when interest rates were high. Might not have raised them...

So, did he raise taxes or not?

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Monday, June 11, 2012 6:20 AM

America loves a winner!

I never said Carter raised taxes, but that he kept them high, where as Reagan cut taxes.

But it's funny to watch some get all wrapped up in the minutia of federal tax policy, as if any of that will some how dismiss or negate what Obama said about the private sector " doing fine ".

This was a monumental moment in this President's term. It showed how utterly disconnected he is with reality, and HIS inability to grasp how the US economy works.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 6:26 AM

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Obama is just as deserving of a media dogpile over the same mistake in 2012.

Well, the economy really was in a lot worse shape in 2008. You prolly have a short memory. Don't remember? Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros folding. Big insurances tottering. Banks tottering, and some folding or being absorbed. Countrywide being absorbed by BoA. Even my erstwhile bank- WAMU- being absorbed by JP Morgan/Chase.

Saying that the fundamentals of the economy were in good shape even as the shards of broken financials came raining down like confetti ... that was more than a gaffe, that was blindness worthy of rappy.

But you're right about one thing: Obama deserves a shitstorm for his comment. All he managed to do was keep the banks, insurances, and an auto company from sinking by throwing lots and lots (and lots) of money at them. Trillions of dollars, more than was ever made public. The fed deserves the rest of the credit. And Obama has not put the economic fundamentals back in place.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 6:29 AM

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I never said Carter raised taxes

In the context of my comment about raising taxes on the super-rich, that is exactly what you said. Context matters, as do facts. And the reality is, he lowered taxes. So even your dodge is a failure.

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But it's funny to watch some get all wrapped up in the minutia of federal tax policy

Hey, who ran this train of thought anyway? Because it's funny to watch YOU get all wrapped up in the "minutia" of federal tax policy, especially when you get so exercised about the idea of taxing the super-rich, or going on an on about Reagan or Bush tax policies. I should throw this quote at you every time you say ANYTHING about taxes!

Anyway your first comment was an epic fail, and you still got a lot of explaining to do about your other comments, so get cracking.

Show us you really know what makes economies tick. Prove to us you've got the chops.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:25 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I never said Carter raised taxes, but that he kept them high, where as Reagan cut taxes."

No, not quite.
When you responded to a comment about RAISING taxes on the ultra-wealthy

YOU SAID

CARTER TRIED THAT.

It's right here:

'Taxing the ultra wealthy , a lot '. ( As if they're not being taxed already.)- Signy
Yeah, CARTER TRIED THAT, how'd that work out for him ?-Rappy

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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:29 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, to continue on something you VERY OBVIOUSLY GOT WRONG

As you can see, Carter LOWERED TAXES - and quite substantially - on TWO AREAS

the very wealthy - capital gains
corporations - corporate tax

How'd that work for him?

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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:31 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Next we'll look at Raygun.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:46 AM

America loves a winner!

Carter tried high taxes, and it didn't work out too well. He slightly dropped taxes in one area, and only really cut them in another area. Too little, too late.

But it appears some are STILL falling for this shell game, of sticking it to the rich, the super rich, what ever, and are turning a blind eye to the spending that's been going on, by BOTH parties.

The PROBLEM is the spending, not the taking from the people. We can tax 100% of all money earned by the super rich, and we STILL won't put a dent in deficit or the debt. The problem is entitlements and reckless spending.

We can't tax anyone enough to cover the bill that our " leaders " have given us. It can't be done. Period.

The solution to our problem is NOT tax increases.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 7:53 AM

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Tax cuts got us OUT of a recession.

Prove it.

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Had nothing to do w/ the housing bubble bust ( mostly a Dem created issue )

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And Carter kept taxes high when interest rates were high. Might not have raised them...

Carter... slightly dropped taxes in one area, and ... really cut them in another area.

AH, so he not only DIDN'T raise taxes he LOWERED them, you say? So, how did that work for him? Oh, not so great, you say?

Well, let us hope that you never repeat that erroneous factoid about Carter and taxes ever again, m'kay?

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The solution to our problem is NOT tax increases.

Prove it. Bring some facts and figures to the table. (And I note for the record that you are still going on about the minutia of federal tax policy, so I hope you never slam anyone ever again for discussing the topic.)

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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:05 AM

America loves a winner!

I can't prove this to dyed in the wool morons who refuse to listen to reason or facts.

This is like talking to young earth creationists, who have been shown the facts, over and over, and they still refuse to learn.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:11 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Carter tried high taxes, and it didn't work out too well. He slightly dropped taxes in one area, and only really cut them in another area. Too little, too late."

No >>> HE <<< didn't 'try' high taxes, they were already 'tried' by Nixon and Ford ahead of him. And how'd that work for them? Not bad, I take it. Considering you've got no complaints about THEIR high taxes.

Carter LOWERED taxes on the very wealthy (cap gains) and corporations (corp tax) even tho high taxes seemed to be working pretty well for Nixon and Ford. The only people who didn't get a tax break were wage earners (income tax). Nixon and Ford were high taxers.

And Carter was trickle-down b4 there was trickle-down.

And how'd that work for him?

And instead of lying, just man up that you got it wrong, and move on.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:26 AM

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I can't prove this to dyed in the wool morons who refuse to listen to reason or facts.

Rappy, OF COURSE you can prove something to me. You just have to bring facts to the table, and show that they explain much of the available data (not just one or two slivers). You even get bonus points for being predictive! That's how science works, yanno?

So, Federal budget....

You made a statement: We can't tax our way out of this. By "this", you mean our deficit. Now, surely there must be some facts and figures out there to either prove or disprove that point. For example, what would happen to our deficit if the government were to (for example) impose an income cap of $500,000 on every family in the USA ($1,000,000 per couple) and take the rest. Would that be sufficient? It might be. It might not be. Maybe it could wipe out the deficit in one year. Maybe it would take ten years. I really don't know. Since this is YOUR supposition, I think you should explore it. Now, we might argue about the advisability of such a move, but that would be a different statement than saying There is simply not enough wealth out there to fill the deficit gap. So, let's start small:

CAN taxes fill the budget gap, and over what period of time? Or is there simply not enough wealth to fill that gap? There is no more math to this than balancing a checkbook or paying off a credit card. When you have figured it out, come back to us and let us know.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 8:31 AM

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"Carter tried high taxes, and it didn't work out too well. He slightly dropped taxes in one area, and only really cut them in another area. Too little, too late."
No >>> HE <<< didn't 'try' high taxes, they were already 'tried' by Nixon and Ford ahead of him. And how'd that work for them? Not bad, I take it. Considering you've got no complaints about THEIR high taxes.
Carter LOWERED taxes on the very wealthy (cap gains) and corporations (corp tax) even tho high taxes seemed to be working pretty well for Nixon and Ford. The only people who didn't get a tax break were wage earners (income tax). Nixon and Ford were high taxers.
And Carter was trickle-down b4 there was trickle-down.
And how'd that work for him?
And instead of lying, just man up that you got it wrong, and move on.

KIKI- indeed. One more point that rappy has yet to prove.

Anyway, I've wasted enough of my day here. I'll be back next weekend to check in.

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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:40 PM

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Obama saying the private sector is doing fine is the same, and just as significant as McCain saying that the fundamentals of the economy are in good shape, way back in 2008. I remember the media dogpile on McCain over that gaffe. Obama is just as deserving of a media dogpile over the same mistake in 2012.

Do you remember which side of that dogpile Rappy was on? Did he support McCain back then, and insist that the economy was "on fire", by any chance?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, June 11, 2012 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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"Carter tried high taxes, and it didn't work out too well. He slightly dropped taxes in one area, and only really cut them in another area. Too little, too late."
No >>> HE <<< didn't 'try' high taxes, they were already 'tried' by Nixon and Ford ahead of him. And how'd that work for them? Not bad, I take it. Considering you've got no complaints about THEIR high taxes.
Carter LOWERED taxes on the very wealthy (cap gains) and corporations (corp tax) even tho high taxes seemed to be working pretty well for Nixon and Ford. The only people who didn't get a tax break were wage earners (income tax). Nixon and Ford were high taxers.
And Carter was trickle-down b4 there was trickle-down.
And how'd that work for him?
And instead of lying, just man up that you got it wrong, and move on.
KIKI- indeed. One more point that rappy has yet to prove.

Anyway, I've wasted enough of my day here. I'll be back next weekend to check in.

It's funny - every time Rappy gets his ass handed to him so completely, he insists that it's "minutia" and unimportant, hardly even worth his time and not worthy of any kind of response.

But he will spend DAYS - literally DAYS - arguing over whether Obama really meant to say that the economy isn't doing fine, but the private sector in comparison IS.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, June 11, 2012 3:25 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Okay, prize for first guffaw of the day--even unintentional ones count:

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This was a monumental moment in this President's term.

Don'tcha just love it tho'? I say, I say, MONUMENTAL!! I'll bet we hear about it for the next ten years, and the history books will be replete with it "Obama said the private sector was doing fine, when it was only doing BETTER than it had been!" -- major shock. No mention in history books of ending Iraq War, of killing Bin Laden (or any of the others who've been taken out), or ANYTHING else...just that Obama made a gaff about the economy. Wow. I can't wait...

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