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Tuesday, January 3, 2012 5:19 PM
Quote:Returns from 538 of 1,774 precincts showed Romney, Santorum and Paul each with 23 percent, separated by only 57 votes.
Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:28 PM
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:48 PM
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ron Paul wins Iowa... IT MEANS NOTHING!!
Ron Paul wins every straw poll.... IT MEANS NOTHING!
FOX NEWS cancels the polling because Ron Paul was wining... IT MEANS NOTHING!
Tuesday, January 3, 2012 8:23 PM
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Wednesday, January 4, 2012 2:05 AM
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 2:40 AM
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:The Voter News Service was a consortium whose mission was to provide results for United States presidential elections, so that individual organizations and networks would not have to do exit polling and vote tallying in parallel. A possibly unwritten secondary mission of the Voter News Service was to provide election results as quickly as possible on election night—a point which came to haunt the VNS in the 2000 presidential election.
The VNS received intense criticism for its 'flip-flop' calling of the state of Florida in that election. During the course of the evening, it first called the closely contested state of Florida for Al Gore, then George W. Bush, and then as 'too close to call'. Critics argued that the state should never have been called until the state's fate was clear. The Voter News Service also received specific criticism for calling the state of Florida for Al Gore before the polls closed in the Florida panhandle, which was located in the Central Time Zone and heavily Republican. In addition, criticism also came because of the call for Bush which occurred before precincts in Broward, Palm Beach Volusia, and Miami-Dade Counties, all democratic, reported their results to the state which occurred after the networks called the state for Bush well after 2 AM eastern standard time.
Disasters were almost comical. Many of the more than 30,000 temporary workers collecting exit-poll information were disconnected from VNS' new voice-recognition system before they could finish inputting data over the phone. Some poll workers were unable to access the system at all. Live operators weren't always a help, as the phone system periodically crashed under the crush of callers dialing in.
Using computers was not much of an alternative. News organizations and other VNS subscribers were repeatedly instructed to log off their machines, so the new servers running BEA Systems' WebLogic application server could be rebooted.
When users finally were able to access the system, they quickly discovered they were being presented with incomplete and inaccurate information. For instance, early exit-polling data indicated that Erskine Bowles was leading Elizabeth Dole in the North Carolina senatorial race. As the day progressed and more exit-poll data was added, that margin grew.
However, when the actual votes were tallied, Dole won the election by almost 200,000 votes, a convincing victory.
"It was a joke," one political analyst at a major television network told Baseline. "It became obvious to everyone that this wasn't going to work. There wasn't enough testing. There was not enough collaboration between the networks and the IT people. And, worse, there was nothing we could do about it. You can't postpone an election."
Network executives quickly concluded they would not use the bulk of the data they were able to collect, particularly the exit-polling information. Projecting winners and losers in various races would take several hours longer than in the past.
Also, the networks would be unable to give the type of detailed explanations as to why voters voted the way they did this time around. For example, according to TV network analysts working the election, the networks wouldn't be able to tell viewers why particular demographic groups voted for specific candidates nor the issues that they considered most or least important when voting.
As a result of their election night forecasts, the television networks and their Voter News Service (VNS) have more than just egg on their faces.
They may also have some legal trouble. The American Antitrust Institute in Washington, D.C. is urging the Justice Department to split up the VNS following an election night of botched calls.
The VNS was formed by ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox and the Associated Press in 1990 in an effort to save millions of dollars in exit polling costs. But critics say the New York company, which operates as a limited liability corporation for its funding members, has a virtual monopoly on election-night polling.
In 2002, the VNS intended to make calls in the November U.S. Congressional and Senate elections. It attempted to use a computer designed for VNS by an outside contractor to do this. A system failure occurred in this computer on election night, making quick delivery of data impossible. In fact, collecting and delivering the data took ten months.
In January 2003, the Voter News Service was disbanded largely because of failures in 2000 and 2002. Murray Edelman, VNS editorial director, criticized the decision as making the VNS a scapegoat.
Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International conducted exit polls in each state and
nationally for the National Election Pool (ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC). The polls should
be referred to as a National Election Pool (or NEP) Exit Poll, conducted by Edison/Mitofsky.
All questionnaires were prepared by NEP. The National exit poll was conducted at a sample of 250 polling places among 11719 Election
Day voters representative of the United States.
In the 2004 presidential election, a new organization called National Election Pool was set up by the same organizations, utilizing consultants Edison/Mitofsky for exit polling and Associated Press for official returns. However, the NEP had controversies of its own for 2004 when it released exit polling data early that was significantly different than the final results.
The organizers of the pool insist that the purpose of their quick collection of exit poll data is not to determine if an election is flawed, but rather to project winners of races. Despite past problems, they note that none of their members has incorrectly called a winner since the current system was put in place.  However, to avoid the premature leaking of data, collection is now done in a "Quarantine Room" at an undisclosed location in New York. All participants are stripped of outside communications devices until it's time for information to be released officially.
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 4:19 AM
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 6:54 AM
Quote:2012 President: Iowa Republican Caucus
Ron Paul 24%
Mitt Romney 20%
Newt Gingrich 13%
Michele Bachmann 11%
Rick Perry 10%
Rick Santorum 10%
Jon Huntsman at 4%
Buddy Roemer at 2%
Iowa looks like a 2 person race between Paul and Romney as the campaign enters its final week.
Quote:2012 President: Iowa Republican Caucus
Des Moines Register 12/27-30
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:05 PM
Wednesday, January 4, 2012 1:05 PM
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:You may be a pratt, hero, but at least you make me laugh.
Thursday, January 5, 2012 2:59 AM
Thursday, January 5, 2012 6:52 AM
Thursday, January 5, 2012 12:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:
Too bad she didn't quit Congress in order to run...sadly, we'll still have to hear her spout idiocy...
Friday, January 6, 2012 1:15 AM
Friday, January 6, 2012 11:51 PM
Quote:Could Typo Rewrite Caucus History? Caucus Vote Counter Says Romney Mistakenly Given 20 Votes (after "winning" by 8 votes)
KCCI TV Channel 8
January 5, 2012
DES MOINES, Iowa -- Caucus night was chaotic in many places, with hundreds of voters, candidates showing up and the throngs of media who followed. The world's eyes were on Iowa. But in the quiet town of Moulton, Appanoose County, a caucus of 53 people may just blow up the results.
Edward True, 28, of Moulton, said he helped count the votes and jotted the results down on a piece of paper to post to his Facebook page. He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadn't.
"When Mitt Romney won Iowa by eight votes and I've got a 20-vote discrepancy here, that right there says Rick Santorum won Iowa," True said. "Not Mitt Romney."
True said at his 53-person caucus at the Garrett Memorial Library, Romney received two votes. According to the Iowa Republican Party's website, True's precinct cast 22 votes for Romney.
"This is huge," True said. "It essentially changes who won."
A spokeswoman with the Iowa Republican Party said True is not a precinct captain and he's not a county chairperson so he has no business talking about election results. She also said the party would not be giving interviews about possible discrepancies until the caucus vote is certified.
KCCI political analyst Dennis Goldford said even if the caucus results are wrong, it's not the end of the world.
"This will make Iowa look a little foolish in the eyes of the rest of the country, which already questions the seriousness of the caucuses," Goldford said. But in terms of Santorum's results here, the Caucuses have made him a player in presidential politics and if he should nudge ahead of Gov. Romney for the final certified result that's really not going to make any significant difference at this point."
True -- who said he's a Ron Paul supporter -- hopes it was a simple mistake.
"I imagine it's a good possibility that somebody instead of hitting 2 might have hit 22 by accident," True said. "I hope so."
But he said he won't stop talking about it until the state -- by his count -- gets the numbers right.
"Numbers that I personally witnessed being counted and assisted in counting and am certain are right," he said.
Iowa Republican Party Chairman Matt Strawn said late Thursday that the party headquarters spoke with Appanoose County Republican officials and they do not have any reason to believe the final, certified results of the county will change the outcome of Tuesday's vote.
Reached a short time later, True said he is absolutely certain his numbers are correct and he stands by his statement. True said he confirmed his numbers with his precinct captain and his county party chairman.
True reiterated Thursday night that he is 100-percent certain that his figures from that night were correct. He said he has checked with his precinct chairman and the GOP county chairman and they confirmed his numbers.
Affidavit from Edward L. True
Appanoose County Republican Party Chair Backs True
Appanoose County Republican Chairman Lyle Brinegar said Friday that his records indicate Romney did indeed only receive 2 votes in True's precinct. He told KCCI the county's paperwork is in order and he's confident the mistake will be corrected before the vote is certified.
Caucus Chair Backs True
Precinct caucus chair, Tony Seibert also said yes, Mitt Romney only received two votes in his precinct, not the 22 the GOP is reporting.
Seibert said he's willing to wait for the certified results to see if the error is corrected.
"Everybody's getting so upset over this. Let's wait until all the vote totals are in," said Seibert.
Seibert said he doesn't want to speculate, but said it's possible it was just a typo that will soon be corrected.
"That's the great thing about America," Seibert said. "We're allowed to make reasonable mistakes."
KCCI News spoke to True in Moulton on Friday. True said the media attention that has arisen from his story with KCCI is, "blowing my mind."
True said he has received calls from Fox News and Anderson Cooper's show. He said he searched the web and was surprised to find international coverage of what he had to say.
True stands by the numbers he wrote down that night, and with the help of Watch The Vote 2012, he's finding other precincts that also experienced discrepancies.
True said he heard what Rick Santorum said the GOP told him about another error in Romney's favor canceling out his error.
"If there are two errors, how many more are out there?"
BTW Ron Paul won with 7 delegates in Iowa. Nobody got more delegates than Ron Paul. That means Ron Paul WON. Funny how the news corps forget to mention that. Funny how Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro won't send DOJ and FBI to investigate that.
Sunday, January 8, 2012 4:07 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:30 AM
Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:41 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:19 PM
But even as Romney basked in his win – he addressed a crowd of elated supporters less than half an hour after the polls closed... With nearly two-fifths of precincts reporting, Romney was drawing 37 percent of the vote to Paul’s 28 percent. In third place was Jon Huntsman, with 17 percent, followed by Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, both with approximately 10 percent.
Quote:After an impressive second-place finish in the New Hampshire GOP presidential primary, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said it’s a two-man race now.
“We’re next in line to Mittens. I would say we’re the only ones really in the race with him,” Paul told CNN Tuesday night.
New Hampshire - 188 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 62%
Romney , Mitt GOP 49,293 38% Paul , Ron GOP 31,083 24% Huntsman , Jon GOP 22,308 17% Santorum , Rick GOP 12,916 10% Gingrich , Newt GOP 12,786 10% Perry , Rick GOP 986 1% Roemer , Buddy GOP 502 0% Total Write-ins GOP 467 0% Karger , Fred GOP 185 0% Bachmann , Michele GOP 182 0% Rubash , Kevin GOP 135 0% Johnson , Gary GOP 107 0% Cain , Herman GOP 89 0% Lawman , Jeff GOP 81 0% Hill , Christopher GOP 46 0% Linn , Benjamin GOP 45 0% Meehan , Michael GOP 31 0% Story , Joe GOP 23 0% Drummond , Keith GOP 16 0% Betzler , Bear GOP 15 0% Martin , Andy GOP 13 0% Robinson , Joe GOP 13 0% Greenleaf , Stewart GOP 11 0% Brewer , Timothy GOP 10 0% Callahan , Mark GOP 8 0% Davis , John GOP 8 0% Swift , Linden GOP 8 0% Wuensche , Vern GOP 7 0% Crow , Randy GOP 6 0% Cort , Hugh GOP 2 0% Vestermark , James GOP 1 0%
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:42 AM
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:31 AM
We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT:
He can retire from Presidential ambition after this year holding his head high. He did better than most reasonable expectations based on his platform.
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:08 AM
Quote:If it ends up being Mitt Romney, count on him to get trounced by Obama in November. Romney is a guaranteed loser, and every Conservative knows it, actually screamed it months ago before the first debate.
Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:32 AM
Quote:Gay Transvestites Off The Ballot In Viginia
Federal District Court Judge John Gibney ruled against Texas Governor Rick Perry and other Republican presidential candidates who sued in an effort to appear on the ballot for the Virginia Republican primary in March.
“In essense, they played the game, lost, and then complained that the rules were unfair,” wrote Judge Gibney in his opinion released Friday afternoon in Richmond, Virginia.
The suit was originally filed by Texas Governor Rick Perry.
Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Jon Hunstman later joined the challenge.
According to documents, the candidates asked the Court for a preliminary injunction ordering that they be listed on the ballot for the Virginia Republican primary despite the fact all failed to meet the 10,000 signature petition requirements to get on the ballot.
Only candidates Mitt Romney and Ron Paul met the requirements.
The candidates argue the 10,000 signature requirement and the Virginia rule that only people eligible to register to vote may collect the petitions violates the Constitution.
They also challenged Virginia's rule that required candidates secure 400 signatures from voters in each congressional district calling it "burdensome."
The judge ruled Virginia rules do infringe on First Amendment rights, but the challenge from the candidates came too late for courts to take action.
In his opinion, Judge Gibney wrote, "They [the candidates hoping to appear on the ballot] knew the rules in Virginia many months ago; the limitations on circulators affected them as soon as they began to circulate petitions. The plaintiffs could have challenged the Virginia law at that time. Instead, they waited until after the time to gather petitions had ended and they had lost the political battle to be on the ballot; then on the eve of the printing of absentee ballots, they decided to challenge Virginia's laws."
The ACLU of Virginia, which supported Perry's effort, said the judge's ruling will bring about change in Virginia.
"For the ACLU, the most important part of the decision is the judge's recognition that the Virginia law violates the right of free speech," ACLU of Virginia Executive Director Kent Willis wrote in a statement. "This clearly unconstitutional law will now almost certainly be repealed by the General Assembly or struck down in court. Either way, its end is near."
In further explaining why he denied the candidates an injunction, Judge Gibney wrote, "The traditional purpose of a preliminary injunction is to prohibit an action. Preliminary injunctions are meant to protect the status quo."
He continued, "In this case, the plaintiffs request that the Court require the Board to add their names to the primary ballot, which is a positive act that alters the status quo."
The candidates can appeal the judge's opinion to the 4th Circuit Court of Appeal, based in Richmond, Virginia.
"I am pleased that the district court is allowing Virginia's orderly election process to move forward. The ruling today dealt only with the request for a preliminary injunction. The litigation is ongoing, and therefore, I will have no further comment," Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli wrote in a statement released after Friday's ruling.
Republican Party Virginia Chairman Pat Mullins said, in a statement, he was disappointed that more Republican candidates are not on our primary ballot.
Political analyst Paul Goldman called the ruling predictable. He told CBS 6 he was glad to see Judge John Gibney believed Virginia's rules were unconstitutional.
"It needs to be fixed, and the State Board of elections knew this. I don't know why they didn't fix it before," Goldman said.
CBS 6 Political Analyst Dr. Bob Holsworth agreed.
"The General Assembly is going to have to change the way Virginia collects petitions in the future. I think there's no doubt about that," he Holsworth.
Friday, January 20, 2012 5:22 AM
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Monday, January 23, 2012 10:41 AM
Quote:In total, eight different precincts in Iowa showed signs of fraud that included missing votes and stories that changed every time someone challenged them. Writer Jeffrey Phelps points out that the official caucus website in Iowa publicly states that the caucus results can never be officially certified.
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