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EU bans execution drug

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Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:38 PM

I don't remember whether we've had this discussion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16281016

Is anyone actually pro the death penalty?

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:57 AM

DREAMTROVE

Pro death penalty would be giving the govt. power to kill you, which it can do on random heresay. Obama can execute us just because he wants to, and according to him, to execute you, too. I was just reading about his quest to possible execute Australian citizen Julian Assange for publishing unclassified videos we took of us killing kids.

Of course, we don't need Mr. Assange to tell the world we kill children intentionally, just about little girls in yellow dresses.

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki at left, with father, anwar al-awlaki at right, executed intentionally in separate predator drone strikes.

No, I don't want anyone to have that power. I don't think of Obama as being especially wicked; I think if he were still a university of chicago law professor he would not be out killing people.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:30 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Is anyone actually pro the death penalty?

Can you imagine a pro death penalty anarchist? Hehehe.

I am anti-death. I can be talked into forgiving murder/homicide in some circumstances. But a govt policy to kill people? No.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:09 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Years ago, I used to support the death penalty. Then I gradually became aware of the fact that Judges and Juries are not Gods. This should have been immediately apparent to me, but for some reason the idea took some time to sink in.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:51 AM

DREAMTROVE

good point. relates to my earlier comment here that "if men were angels there would be no need to govern" logically assumes that govt. is staffed by angels rather than by men, a point which madison seems to have missed.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Madison was an idealistic moron - he went with the generally poor assumption that a group of men is more decent than individuals, often to be roundly and thoroughly thrashed about it by Patrick Henry.

As far as a State-imposed death penalty ?
No, absolutely not.

But cut down by a citizen while harming or threatening them, their property or family ?
Got no problem with it.

The State CREATES problems, individuals SOLVE them.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:20 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"But cut down by a citizen while harming or threatening them, their property or family ?
Got no problem with it."

Hello,

Presumably the citizen would just be defending themselves, and the death would be incidental to that defense- not the purpose of it.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:15 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I'm only okay with it under certain conditions.
A they must have killed more than one person, usually in multiple incidents, exception being made for someone who kills a whole ton of people at once like that guy in Norway.
B It has to be avsolutely abundantly obviously clear that the person did it, eyewitnesses alone don't count, self confession alone doesn't count, cercumstantial evidence doesn't count. There needs to be lots of evidence of the killings and the premeditated nature of them all.

Under those conditions I'm okay with it sometimes.

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Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:50 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Presumably the citizen would just be defending themselves, and the death would be incidental to that defense- not the purpose of it.

Well yeah, tis one reason I dislike having certain people on-side with this, in that I feel they're just lookin for some bullshit, contrived excuse to blow a hole in someone without thought to the personal and psychological consequences.
(Or so messed up in the head already that it wouldn't add significantly to their pre-existing issues.)

Conversely, a lotta folk get needlessly harmed because once the rubicon of threat has passed into the realm where such force is required, they either hestitate or fail to deploy it, which leads also to unfortunate consequences.

Which is why I am always willing to walk the center of those discussions even if it means getting verbally pelted by both "sides", cause either extreme is harmful.

That said, once it comes to that I favor immediate, overwhemling force, cause putting an end to the conflict as immediately as possible tends to cause less harm over all - hard lines for the perp, sure, but they knew the risks.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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