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On Jon Huntsman

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, so he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell. But I LOVE how he's talking, that he's the first person on the right I've heard in AGES who's saying it like it is!
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GOP presidential candidate Jon Huntsman is vying to be the voice of moderation in the Republican presidential race, and in the process on Sunday slammed his opponents and even a question at a Fox News debate in which he participated.

Saying the U.S. is a "center-right" country politically, the former Utah governor and President Obama's ambassador to China, Huntsman said the public is "crying out for a sensible middle ground."

"We've had so much hope and hype in politics the last little while. We've found ourselves at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. And people are crying out for us to get back to some level of sensibility," he told ABC's "This Week."

Ticking off criticisms, Huntsman said Obama is too liberal and the Republican candidates are too far right and have "zero substance." He described former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney as a flip-flopper, who previously opposed a flat tax.

"If we were to talk about his inconsistencies and the changes on various issues, we'd be here all afternoon. But if he's in favor of a flat tax now where he wasn't before, at least he's moving in the right direction," he said.

Huntsman, who's lagging in national polls, saved his harshest criticism in a television interview for two of the candidates who are at the top of the 2012 pack -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Huntsman slammed Perry for expressing skepticism about manmade global warming and for criticizing the nation's central banker.

"Well, I don't know if that's pre-secession Texas or post-secession Texas, but in any event, I'm not sure that the average voter out there is going to hear that treasonous remark and say that sounds like a presidential candidate, that sounds like someone who is serious on the issues," Huntsman said in interview, aired Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

Huntsman also ridiculed Bachmann's claims that she could bring gasoline prices below $2 if elected president. "I just don't know what world that comment would come from. ... That is completely unrealistic. And, again, it's talking about things that, you know, may pander to a particular group or sound good at the time, but it just simply is not founded in reality."

Asked about why he agreed with the candidates when they were asked to say whether they supported a 10-1 tax cuts to spending increase, Huntsman suggested the problem was with the question, not his answer.

"It was a nonsense question. And the fact that you can even ask a question that is that important with such profound implications for the United States, to answer by show of a raised hand, I mean, come on," he said. "You know, what have debates gotten to, in terms of how we discuss the truly important issues of the day?" {Nice job of sidestepping the question! - N}

Huntsman got backing on that view from former George W. Bush senior adviser Karl Rove, who earlier criticized Perry on his remarks about the Federal Reserve. Rove then told "Fox News Sunday" that he too thought the question was too easy

"With due respect to your question, that was a question that had a predictable answer to it, and that kind of a thing when you're asking people to raise their hand and not offering them a chance to get a nuance answer, you're going to get raising hands," he said.

Huntsman, who is garnering around 2 percent in public opinion polls of the candidates, spoke optimistically about his chances in 2012, saying he would do well in early voting New Hampshire and South Carolina and "then we're going to bring it home in Florida."

"I'm confident we're getting there. But I'm even more confident that the message that we bring to this race, that of a center-right message for a center-right country that is looking for common-sense solutions and a leader who's actually been there and done that in the marketplace and can apply those same principles now to a nation that so desperately needs it," he said.

He said voters aren't yet paying close attention to the race. "I like exactly where we are. Stay tuned." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/21/hunstman-unleashes-on-fello
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It's probably a political ploy to stand out from the herd, but it's awfully nice to hear!

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You'll hear more about Huntsman that you will about Ron Paul, even though as Jon Stewart pointed out, Huntsman came in second AMONG THE MORMONS running for the GOP nod. Huntsman got 69 votes in the Iowa straw poll, to Paul's more than 4600, and nary a peep about Dr. Paul.

Maybe the powers that be don't want Mr. Paul to be President because they're afraid his wife will serve nothing but fish sticks at state dinners. (Mrs. Paul shout-out!)

Hey, it makes as much sense as the lack of attention the media's giving the guy...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Utah Governor.
On speaking terms is Karl Rove ?
Considers earnest if misguided criticism treasonous.
Has any respect for Fox News.
Republican.

NO DICE.

I don't care how "reasonable" he might sound, I'll not even spare him the time of day for the same reason I've no intention of further backing Ron Paul.

-F

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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:49 PM

DREAMTROVE


I'm less negative, for instance, I will vote for republicans, and I think FOX news is a news organization. Sure, they're also political hacks, but if you look at their actual journalism, it's better than CNN. Okay, that's like saying more peaceful than the Khmer Rouge, but still, for what it's worth.

I like a lot of what Huntsman says and I think that when someone has no chance of winning, it's easier to listen to his ideological critiques of the system.

As for voting for him, Byte has serious reservations, and I take that seriously from a local. People might recall me screaming "Don't vote for Hillary." I think I've said that about a few other NY politicians who are utterly hopeless, like Trainwreck Giuliani.

As usual, Mike has a point. The media just sucks. There's tons of coverage for zero-chancers Bachmann and Perry.

It's basically Romney vs. Cain, and it will probably be both of them. Newt is in there seriously, but he doesn't have the charisma on a personal level to carry it. Romney does, and he's been in the game longer, and somehow he managed to dodge the Sarah Palin quitter label, even though he ducked out after 18 months.

I think Herman Cain will be VP, and Romney will be the candidate, and they will lose together. Also, Sarah might be a third party splitter, when Obama sends her the check.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.M

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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when someone has no chance of winning, it's easier to listen to his ideological critiques of the system.
Very astute point, DT. And I wasn't saying anyone should VOTE for him, only that he's talking straight, which nobody else on the right is even trying to do.

I don't think the right is at all happy with their slate of candidates (well, the THINKING right anyway); now there's more talk about bringing Christie in. They'll just keep looking and looking I guess, since nobody worth their salt has stepped up yet, in my opinion.

So it's not that Huntsman is a viable candidate, or even a good one...I guess it's what DT said; it's interesting to hear him come right out and say it like it is. Very refreshing at this time in history.

ETA: Hey Mal! There's an example of someone whose mind was changed (and I didn't say it just to give an example, I think I said it a while ago, too). See, it does happen, at LEAST once a millenium...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Christie's got his plate full with his own problems (no pun intended).

His approval ratings are for shit right now, and he just got New Jersey's credit rating downgraded to double-A-MINUS.

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