Obama to announce plan to pull 30,000 troops out of Afghanistan by Niki2

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Obama to announce plan to pull 30,000 troops out of Afghanistan

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:59 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Probably political, but it's a START anyway:

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President Barack Obama is expected to announce this week that 30,000 U.S. "surge" forces will be fully withdrawn from Afghanistan by the end of 2012, an administration official has told CNN.

An estimated 100,000 U.S. troops are currently serving in Afghanistan, some 30,000 of which are part of the so-called surge ordered in late 2009 in a bid to control the rising violence.

Obama has been mulling how many troops should be withdrawn this summer and by the end of the year.

The drawdown will be accomplished by troops returning home and not being replaced as well as cancelling some proposed deployments.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/21/obama.afghanistan.troops/index.
html

The rest of the article is political bullshit, but hey, bringing back almost a third of them (who admittedly were put there not long ago...perhaps at least partly with the view to "drawing them down"?) is a begining at least.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 AM

DREAMTROVE

It's a start as long as he doesn't boost troops somewhere else, or with *someone* else. (ie pakistanis, afghans, blackwater, etc.)

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Hush! Don't go giving them ideas! (As if they needed them...)

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:52 AM

BYTEMITE

I second DT; my knee jerk reaction to the thread title was "Great, so long as the definition of pull-out isn't move into Pakistan."

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Personally, I think it's more geared toward re-election, as well as having to do SOMETHING since he already "set" that "deadline". I certainly hope you're both wrong and we don't see our military just shifted over, rather than brought home!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:08 AM

DREAMTROVE

I suspect Obama is moving to a Clinton war plan. "Put small numbers of US troops on the ground to larger foreign mercenary forces, and then use as much automated warfare and attrition as possible." I always credited Wes Clark with this strategy, which it not one I'm fond of, but I don't see him around. Does anyone know? Are any of the old asymmetrical warfare crowd around? I mean, aside from Rockefeller.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:55 AM

BYTEMITE

Don't know. I'm too young to recognize any military or state officials from Clinton's time.

Any of the 21st century generals listed here look familiar?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/United_States_generals

Chances are some of them learned the ropes from the old guard, so the tactics may not have changed if none of them are familiar.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:53 PM

DREAMTROVE

Someone like Obama's chief military adviser, who I see is so recently Martin Dempsey, I don't know him.

I do recognize some of the names on that list, I figure everyone does.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:57 PM

BYTEMITE

I meant from the time period in question. Everyone knows McChrystal and Petraeus.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I second DT; my knee jerk reaction to the thread title was "Great, so long as the definition of pull-out isn't move into Pakistan."

Well, they have to pull out TO *somewhere*. Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi... ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:10 PM

DREAMTROVE

Actually, we have an airforce base in afgh. An infamous one.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Hopefully it works well.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:44 AM

HARDWARE

Glad the troops are starting to come home. Hope it doesn't turn to shit once we leave. Coupled with the news that we are negotiating with the Taliban I'm not sanguine about the long term prospects. I recognize that this is probably part of the gearing up for the 2012 campaign.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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