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Jindal's berm failure

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Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Dunno if anyone remembers Bobby Jindall all over the MSM bitching that they had this "great idea" to build sand berms off Chandalier island to stop the oil coming ashore. At the time, scientists were warning that it would be ineffective, they'd wash away, clog the delta, cost tons of money for nothing, etc. But he was adamant, and there were those here saying doing something was better than doing nothing, etc., etc.

Back in June, Jindal fought like a tiger for the project:
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Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is at war with the federal government over his plans to build protective barrier islands, or sand berms, to shield the state's coast from BP's oil spill. He called a news conference yesterday to blast the government for standing in the way of his plan. "We don't have time for red tape and bureaucracy," Jindal told reporters. "We're literally in a war to save our coast."

Tom Strickland, the U.S. Interior Department's assistant secretary for fish, wildlife and parks notes that removing sediment from the island actually makes the region more vulnerable to storms, and hurricane season is already underway.

"The short-term fix isn't going to hold for very long, but it makes Jindal look like a hero," says Jamie Rappaport Clark, executive vice president at Defender of Wildlife and a former USFWS official. "They're robbing from Peter to pay Paul and digging a hole to build a berm that is going to collapse anyway."

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/06/jindal-berm-war-louisiana

In the end Washington gave in and gave him the money and let him build one of his little "sand castles". The response?
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U.S. Sen. David Vitter said the decision to approve only one island is an indication that President Obama “doesn’t seem to have a clue.”

“His decision on the emergency dredging barrier island plan is a thinly veiled ‘no,’ ” Vitter said. “Approving 2 percent of the request and kicking the rest months down the road is outrageous, absolutely outrageous.”


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http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/25/berm-notice-jindal-sand-barrier-
louisiana-bp-oil-disaster
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Scientists warned that it may have unforeseen consequences.

The berm system could reroute the spill up the Mississippi Delta, and it would be unlikely to survive even a mild storm during the current hurricane season.

It also will absorb the short supplies of sand badly needed for projects to restore the state’s coastline, damaged by past hurricanes.

Heavy equipment, including barges and dredge lines, could interfere with nesting season, now at its peak, for protected bird species….

The berms “will not survive even a low-intensity tropical storm in the northern gulf,” said Jack Kindinger, director of the U.S. Geological Survey’s Coastal and Marine Science Center in St. Petersburg, Fla. “If we have one next week, the berms will be gone. We have to be careful not to do more harm than good.”

Kindinger said that the new barriers may increase tidal action in open water, which would boost the salinity in estuaries and alter the lives of marsh plants and wildlife.
In a similar manner, the project could inadvertently drive oil into the Mississippi sound, the Biloxi marshes and Lake Borgne, according to the Army Corps’ analysis.
Gregory Stone, director of the Coastal Studies Institute at Louisiana State University, warned that scooping sediment out of the sea bottom could accelerate wave action.

“It’s not advisable to go out into shallow water and dredge and not expect potential negative impacts,” Stone said. “That’s going to increase the energy of the waves.”
Such worries prompted the Interior Department to conclude: “We do not think the risks inherent in proceeding without more environmental study and knowledge are acceptable.”

http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/25/berm-notice-jindal-sand-barrier-
louisiana-bp-oil-disaster
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Is anyone surprised to learn that the scientists and wildlife experts were right? The berms did shit; they cost a ton of money for nothing, they may well have done some of the negative things predicted; but Jindal is still defending them (as are some of his cronies) and lying through his teeth to say they WERE effective. Your tax dollars at work.
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Remember those sand berms Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal was so insistent on getting to stave off oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill? Remember how he ignored science and law to put them up? Remember how they're the same berms that Jindal uses as part of his evidence to bash the Obama administration's spill response and conclude that, in Washington, "Political posturing becomes more important than reality"?

Well, as it turns out, the berms were an expensive, wasteful idea.

On Thursday, the National Oil Spill Commission released a draft working paper, "The Story of the Louisiana Berms Project," that concludes that building the berms were nearly useless for dealing with the spill. They were considered environmentally unsound, and a presidential commission has found that they didn't even work,

All-in-all, "The Commission staff can comfortably conclude that the decision to green-light the underwhelmingly effective, overwhelmingly expensive Louisiana berms project was flawed."

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/12/jindals-berm-project-underw
helmingly-effective-overwhelmingly-expensive


And yet, does it surprise anyone that, despite the newly-released study saying they were a boondoggle, he's still touting their "effectiveness"...in other words, lying through his teeth?
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On November 15, Jindal appeared on the Today Show touting the project's effectiveness: "The reality is, it worked. And the reality is, it prevented that oil from getting into the wetlands 15 to 20 miles away." Hmm. How well did it work? According to the presidential commission's report, the berms only stopped about 1,000 barrels of oil... out of about 5 million barrels that were spilled into the Gulf of Mexico.

According to the report, "A Coast Guard officer present at the summit [in June] offered a similar [dismal] assessment. According to that officer, the experts ‘all said it's pretty crummy' and offered no ‘glowing endorsements' of berms as a spill response measure." That sure doesn't sound like something a fiscally responsible Republican would get behind.

Jindal responded, calling the report "partisan revisionist history at taxpayer expense," which means we can call Bobby's Berms "the result of very little scientific evidence, at the environment, and people of Louisiana's expense," right? So, to all of the Gulf residents struggling to squeeze money out of BP in the wake of the oil spill, you can thank Bobby Jindal for sucking up hundreds of millions of dollars for a joke of a relief project.

http://gawker.com/5714484/bobby-jindals-crummy-sand-berms-didnt-really
-stop-any-spilled-oil


Stuff to remember next time we have something like this happen. Because there WILL be a next time, I guarantee it. And sometimes "doing something" is NOT better than "doing nothing" and using the money to do something ELSE.

Just think how effectively the money spent on this could have been used for the damage Louisianan's still suffer...

Just a thought for anyone tempted to instinctively defend a politician as being right because his ideology is the right "color"; maybe it's not a great idea to jump to believing them; they might not know what the hell they're talking about and care more about posturing for attention than actually accomplishign something effective.


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Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA



And don't forget how much equipment they lost when some of them berms got swamped too, they did manage to salvage some of it, but they'll get dick for it, since all they can do is strip it for parts.

-F

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Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:14 PM

WHOZIT


And don't forget how much help Barry was, he went to the beachs in the Gulf and personally soaked up oil with.........AHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm sorry!! You're letting Barry off the hook and it's sooooooo funny!!

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Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


But Zit, Rappy says the federal government SHOULD do nothing at all, especially if it involves taking MY money and giving it to others, or using it to help others.

So when Rappy was yelling and screaming and crying all summer long about "Obama's doing N O T H I N G !!!!", he was really remarking on how much of a great Constitutionalist Obama is, and how he was doing a great job of letting the "free market" and capitalism take care of the issue.

Right?

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Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:46 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

For me, the Berms were never really about containing the oil.

That whole affair was, to me, a treatment for a psychological condition.

The next time there is a disaster of this type, there will need to be some visible and frenzied response to it. I hope a legitimate response is available by then. If not, they better have the circus handy.

Human beings who watch everything they love being destroyed are not apt to sit contentedly, wisely realizing that 'nothing' really is is better than 'something.'

--Anthony



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Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But Zit, Rappy says the federal government SHOULD do nothing at all, especially if it involves taking MY money and giving it to others, or using it to help others.

So when Rappy was yelling and screaming and crying all summer long about "Obama's doing N O T H I N G !!!!", he was really remarking on how much of a great Constitutionalist Obama is, and how he was doing a great job of letting the "free market" and capitalism take care of the issue.

Right?



Wrong. Defense is the primary function of Gov't. Obama failed. Big time.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:25 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Indeed, sometimes the smartest thing one can do is absolutely nothing - would that someone would hammer THAT into the skulls of our foreign policy makers...

And it's funny you should mention bread and circuses, since recent events have shown that our powers that be are making the same mistake the Antoinettes did - when you do the bread and circuses thing, don't forget the BREAD, starving people don't give a fuck how entertained they are.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Right on, Anthony, it's about doing something VISIBLE, no question about it. What I hate is politicians greedy and stupid enough to do something that HARMS the situation just to look like they're doing something, when they SHOULD be smart enough to listen to the people who know their shit and use that precious money to good advantage.

They didn't have to "do nothing"--while that's preferable to doing something with negative consequences, think of all those skimmers offered and rejected, the boats put out in the water to LOOK like they were doing something by BP, how much that money would have helped the out-of-work fishermen, etc. (I know, that last one doesn't "show" well enough, does it?).

BP fucked up royally, predictably, and didn't give a shit that they did...but for the GOVERNOR of the state to deliberately do things like that...well...no comment.


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Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But Zit, Rappy says the federal government SHOULD do nothing at all, especially if it involves taking MY money and giving it to others, or using it to help others.

So when Rappy was yelling and screaming and crying all summer long about "Obama's doing N O T H I N G !!!!", he was really remarking on how much of a great Constitutionalist Obama is, and how he was doing a great job of letting the "free market" and capitalism take care of the issue.

Right?



Wrong. Defense is the primary function of Gov't. Obama failed. Big time.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



So who attacked us? What military invasion were we supposed to be "defended" against? And if that's the case, why haven't we declared war on BP, TransOcean, and Haliburton?

It's humorous to me, the fact that you're AGAINST using federal dollars to give medical treatment to people who ACTUALLY DEFENDED US AGAINST AN ENEMY ATTACK, while you're all FOR using federal dollars to "defend" us against an "attack" by a large corporation doing exactly what you said they SHOULD be doing ("Drill, baby, DRILL!").

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Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Wrong. Defense is the primary function of Gov't.
I agree, that statement is ridiculous; who exactly were we "defending" against by giving in to Jindal's political posturing in order to get federal funds to build berms which all the scientists said would be worthless and quite possibly HARM the very land he was screaming about "defending"??


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Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:42 PM

KIRKULES


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Indeed, sometimes the smartest thing one can do is absolutely nothing - would that someone would hammer THAT into the skulls of our foreign policy makers...



I think this is equally true for domestic policy, if the Obama administration had done nothing but blow positive smoke about the economy we would now be in a full blown recovery. Their attempts to help have assured that the country will be bankrupt long before we ever see a recovery.

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