[quote]In a surprise move Wednesday, the co-chairmen of President Obama's fiscal commission released their preliminary proposals to curb growth in U.S. d..."/>

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

$4 trillion in deficit cuts proposed

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Thursday, November 11, 2010 13:37
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 834
PAGE 1 of 1

Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:03 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

In a surprise move Wednesday, the co-chairmen of President Obama's fiscal commission released their preliminary proposals to curb growth in U.S. debt.

The report from Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson recommends spending cuts beginning in 2012, as well as tax reform and other ways to reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade. Three quarters of those savings would be achieved through spending cuts and the rest through higher taxes.

The 18-member commission, which will make formal recommendations to Obama on Dec. 1, has been closely watched by budget experts since its first meeting in April.

The panel's proposals are not likely to be adopted by Congress wholesale, but they are expected to influence the debate in coming months as Congress tackles the nation's unsustainable long-term debt.

In their report, Bowles and Simpson offer ideas for consideration by the commission:

Set targets for revenue and spending: The report recommends that taxes be capped at 21% of gross domestic product. It would also limit federal spending initially to 22% of the economy and eventually to 21%.

Rein in spending: The report proposes $200 billion in domestic and defense spending cuts in 2015. (Deficit fighting: The first cut is the deepest)

Reform tax code: The report would lower income tax rates and simplify the tax code. It would abolish the Alternative Minimum Tax -- the so-called wealth tax -- and reduce tax breaks.

Change Social Security: The report aims to make Social Security solvent over 75 years through a number of measures, including a less generous annual cost-of-living adjustment for benefits, and a very slow rise in the retirement age (from 67 to 68 by 2050; rising to 69 by 2075).

The commission met Wednesday morning to discuss the Bowles-Simpson report. Initial public reaction from members ranged from guardedly positive to negative.

"This is not the conclusion of the commission's work. This is the beginning," said Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad, a Democrat from North Dakota, who nevertheless commended Bowles and Simpson for putting together a "serious proposal."

Fellow commission member Judd Gregg, the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee who co-authored a bipartisan tax reform proposal cited in the draft, characterized the report as an "aggressive and comprehensive plan ... I look forward to reviewing it in depth and hopefully improving on it."

Most observers and commission members -- including 12 sitting lawmakers -- have been pessimistic that the panel will be able to generate the 14 of 18 votes needed to make any official recommendation to Congress, which would put it up for a vote.

Well, they're trying...

Wanna bet those cuts in defense spending are the first things the Republicans will nix? And what about extending the tax cuts for the wealthy...wouldn't it lower the deficit a LOT (in other words, not increase it) if they'd let that happen? Riiiight... We can only wait and see, but from what I hear, they WANT those tax cuts for the rich so bad they can taste 'em, and won't compromise.

Let's see what extending those tax cuts would mean...


http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/10/news/economy/fiscal_commission_prelim_
report/index.htm?hpt=T1



http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/about-those-bush-tax-cuts
-for-the-rich
/


http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/08/chart-gop-plan-to-extend-t
ax-cuts-for-rich-adds-36-billion-to-deficit
/

So let's cut all kinds of things to pull $4 trillion so we can give the rich $3 trillion. What fun!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off





NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:46 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I love this; the Democratic administration comes up with some serious, specific ideas to cut the deficit, while the Republicans never do more than generalize that "we need to cut the deficit!", while lobbying for tax cuts for the rich, defense spending, earmarks, and just want to privatize everything, and nobody cares or notices. Figures.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:52 PM

KANEMAN


Not big enough, not fast enough......Just watch. Ron Paul hippie...Ron Paul.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


$4 trillion will be cut from the deficits just by letting the Bush tax cuts expire the way they were planned to expire.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:57 PM

DREAMTROVE


End the fed. That would kill around 12 trillion.
End responsibility for tarp, and get back 24 trillion.
End Mortgage bond guarantees and get back 8 trillion and up
End entitlements, and get back 74 trillion.

Jes saying.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's not GIVING the rich anything. It's their money. They earned it.

The concept of tax cuts COSTING anything is a lie.

The idea that money is to be handed out, BY THE GOVERNMENT , and not earned by the individual, is part of the problem here.

Taxes are raised to run the government. If the 'rich' are paying far more than their fair share ( which they are ) , and the gov needs more money, it needs to CUT spending , not raise taxes.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:40 AM

DREAMTROVE


I suspect that if you are rich, than taxes don't apply. Taxes are on income. The rich don't have income, they have money. If that money appreciates, it probably does so in the dark.

We're talking about specific taxes here. What was it, dividend income?

ETA: This question is about what we mean when we say "Bush tax cuts" I think he passed a few of them, a clear definitive list would be nice if someone has that info.


While I'm at it, let me add to things which would balance the budget:

Spending cuts:

1. 2/3 of all soc. sec. $s go to families with assets> $1 million. We could set an income/wealth cap on soc. sec. benefits.

2. Subsidies. There are many industry subsidies that exist for no other reason than that those industries supported candidates in both parties. They're unnecessary, and increase corruption.

3. Medical costs. Drug companies should be negotiated with. If big pharm feels a need to make money to pay for research on a product, then that should be calculated. It should not just be granted that they can make 20 billion a year on not curing diabetes.

4. The war is making you poor. No discussion of finance should ever take place without mentioning the war. Defense, in one form or another, is where almost all federal tax money is going.

5. The concept of interest on debt not borrowed. If the FED creates cash flow through an allocation of congress, that's not actually a loan, and it shouldn't be able to charge interest.

There's so much fiscal nonsense out there, mark to market loans, CDO squareds, at some point there has to be a little bit of sanity introduced.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

It's not GIVING the rich anything. It's their money. They stole it fair and square
Fixed that for you, oh believer in faux missiles.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


DT: since I just attended a seminar on taxes for the wealthy...If Bush tax cuts expire tax law would go back to 2001, IIRC dividends go back to being taxed as regular income, marginal income tax rates go back to 39% over $250,000, estate tax is only exempted to $1 million ($2million per couple), long term capital gains goes back to 1/2income (might be wrong on that, I'm not checking my notes), and AMT disappears. Deductions limitations disappear.

None of that applies to me.

But if FWIW, there are classes of investments which are ONLY open to individuals with $1million cash on hand. We're not in that class.

Money (specifically the USD) will depreciate. Where will flight of capital go? If you can figure that out and you have tons 'o bucks to spare, you can speculate with the best of them.

Inflation/ deflation has been the big question. It's possible to have hyperinflationary depressions (Germany 1930) and deflationary ones (USA 1930). Currently HUGE forces balanced in opposing directions. Not a stable system. I read the tea leaves and am coming down on the side of USD inflation, FWIW. I agree with you on the budget, with one addition: offering Medicare at cost to individuals would put pressure on the health insurances to cut costs. Health insurance overhead is the second-biggest economysuck, and bound to get bigger as we get older. Failure to battle entrenched elite is a failure.

Back to Reality.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=46189
Quote:

at some point there has to be a little bit of sanity introduced
And pop Rappy's bubble???

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:28 PM

KANEMAN


Some people still think the government owns another's money...Just calling it a tax cut implies ownership by the government over the individual.....No one has a problem with that? Awesome that is why we have a Conservative revolution going on....Carry on. The tax reduction will continue, but feel free to blather on and on......

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

It's not GIVING the rich anything. It's their money. They stole it fair and square
Fixed that for you, oh believer in faux missiles.



Who'd they steal it from, Siggy ? You have no basis on which to make that claim.

( As for the side issue of non-missiles, what the hell does that have to do w/ anything on this matter ? That video was shown to a former deputy Sec of Def...he was confident that it was a missile. If he could be wrong, and pretty much everyone else thought it was / looked like a missile, what's your point ? )


But as for your comment, of the rich 'stealing' money, fair and square.. I think that reveals more about your loser mentality than anything.

Any time anyone does something better than you, or better than you THINK you can do, they have to be cheating, lying or some how working the system. Classic dependent on big gov't, everyone is exactly equal, loser mind set on your part.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Thu, May 2, 2024 04:08 - 3593 posts
Time's money, but how much? Here's what Americans think an hour of their time is worth
Thu, May 2, 2024 04:01 - 3 posts
POLITICO: 72 Minutes Until the End of the World?
Wed, May 1, 2024 23:28 - 11 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, May 1, 2024 22:49 - 1028 posts
Storming colleges with riot cops to keep them ‘safe’ should scare America about what’s next
Wed, May 1, 2024 22:30 - 15 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Wed, May 1, 2024 20:44 - 6352 posts
Elections; 2024
Wed, May 1, 2024 20:42 - 2350 posts
China
Wed, May 1, 2024 14:09 - 453 posts
Scientific American Claims It Is "Misinformation" That There Are Just Two Sexes
Wed, May 1, 2024 12:12 - 27 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Wed, May 1, 2024 07:43 - 836 posts
I'm surprised there's not an inflation thread yet
Wed, May 1, 2024 07:12 - 747 posts
Poll: Election-Shifting Percentage Of Voters Admit To Illegal Voting In 2020
Tue, April 30, 2024 20:16 - 1 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL