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'No compromise' promised by Republicans

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Monday, November 8, 2010 8:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I can see the handwriting on the wall...
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A post-mortem Sunday of the mid-term elections provided little evidence that Democrats and Republicans will work together to address major issues such as deficit reduction any better than they have in recent years.

Republicans interviewed on talk shows promised congressional investigations, an all-out effort to repeal health care reform, and steadfast opposition to any form of higher taxes.

Democrats, meanwhile, said the losses they suffered in the congressional elections reflected voter dissatisfaction with lingering high unemployment in the slow recovery from economic recession, rather than an outright repudiation of their policies.

Republicans won more than 60 seats formerly held by Democrats to take majority control of the House, and also narrowed the Democratic majority in the Senate, while winning the lion's share of governors' races around the country.

When asked what they would do with their greater power, GOP legislators offered a hard-line agenda that left little room for middle-ground compromise.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, considered a likely presidential contender in 2012, told CNN's "State of the Union" that he advocated repealing the health care bill and ensuring that government operates on the revenues available.

Voters want to see results on creating jobs, and if Republicans don't produce, "we'll be thrown out in two years," Pawlenty said. Republican Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, who is expected to become the new House majority leader in January, questioned on "Fox News Sunday" whether there was any benefit to compromising with President Barack Obama.

The question was not whether Obama was willing to work with Republicans, as he stated last week, but, "Are we willing to work with him?" Cantor asked. "I mean, first and foremost, we're not going to be willing to work with him on the expansive liberal agenda he's been about," Cantor said.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, told the CBS program "Face the Nation" that agreement exists on some specific provisions, but he refused to signal any willingness to compromise.

beyond four items listed by McConnell -- nuclear energy and electric-car development, clean coal technology, and expanded free-trade agreements -- Republicans offered no other areas of agreement.

The first issue likely to come up when Congress reconvenes next week in a lame-duck session will be whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts scheduled to expire at the end of the year.

Obama wants to extend the lower tax rates for income above $200,000 a year for individuals and $250,000 a year for families, saying that means 98 percent of Americans won't be subject to a de facto tax increase.

Republicans oppose higher tax rates for anyone, including the nation's wealthiest 2 percent, arguing it would harm small business owners who traditionally bring about significant job creation.

In an interview to be broadcast Sunday night on the CBS program "60 Minutes," Obama expressed a willingness to compromise, perhaps by extending the lower tax rates for wealthy Americans for a two-year period as long as everyone else also maintains their current lower rates.

McConnell, however, made clear that Republicans believe no one should have their tax rates return to the higher levels of the 1990s.

Other GOP positions spelled out Sunday included reducing non-military "discretionary" spending -- such as department and agency budgets, but not including entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security -- to 2008 levels, reducing federal wages and cutting the federal workforce.

A unanimous Republican policy is to try to get the health care reform bill repealed. While acknowledging Obama and the Democrats will almost certainly be able to stave off full repeal, Republican lawmakers including McConnell, Cantor and others advocated cutting funding and mounting legal challenges to hinder implementation of the measure until they can try to defeat Obama in 2012.

"We're going to do everything we can to try and repeal and replace this thing," Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, expected to be the new chairman of the House Budget Committee, said on "Fox News Sunday."

Democratic Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina told CBS that the Republicans were on the wrong side of history on the health care issue. Clyburn noted that similar calls for repeal followed landmark legislation in the past including the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that allowed African-Americans to vote.

"The fact of the matter is what we did with health care is to make that a fundamental right of every citizen," Clyburn said.

Amid the legislative wrangling will be new investigations by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the expected new chairman of the panel in January, told the Fox program.

He cited White House attempts to influence candidates to drop out of primary elections, as occurred in the Pennsylvania Senate race, as one issue to be investigated. Issa's committee also will support a Judiciary Committee probe of alleged voter intimidation by two members of the New Black Panther Party at a Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, voting station in 2008, he said.

Issa later told reporters that he currently had no plans to issue subpoenas to members of the Obama administration.

Meanwhile, signs of friction within the Republican Party also appeared Sunday, with conservative lawmakers pushing plans not favored by some in the GOP congressional leadership.

Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, who supported Tea Party candidates across the country in toppling mainstream contenders in GOP primaries, called for a halt to all congressional earmarks as part of a conservative action plan against high spending.

McConnell, however, said the issue was more complex than just spending, involving whether the legislature has the authority to determine exactly how money gets spent. DeMint made clear that he and the new Tea Party conservatives rejected McConnell's position.

One of those Tea Party-backed winners Tuesday, Senator-elect Rand Paul of Kentucky, offered a potential major concession on the ABC program "This Week" when he said military spending should be part of the cuts needed to balance the federal budget.

Republicans traditionally push for increased military spending and have generally made clear they favor cutting only non-military discretionary spending, and McConnell said Paul would have to persuade his new colleagues to support him.

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The only bright spot I see is Paul agreeing to cut military spending. Other than that: Status quo. Nothing but obstructionism and investigation after investigation into non-issues to keep the public distracted and up the ante for hate against Obama.





Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Monday, November 8, 2010 2:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


My favorite quote of the election cycle comes via Lizz Winstead, co-creator of The Daily Show:

"Saturday night we turned the clocks back one hour. Election night we turned them back 30 years."


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 4:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Saturday night we turned the clocks back one hour. Election night we turned them back 30 years."




If only that were true.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 4:22 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, what else is new? The Republican agenda since Obama was elected is to block the President from accomplishing any part of his agenda.

Nothing has changed. The "Party of No" is STILL the Party of No. My only question is: Now that Republicans (and Tea Baggers) are part of the gubmint, will Americans hold them accountable for lack of progress by 2012? Or will Americans suffer a collective blackout and rewrite history, which they are prone to do? (Rappy is a great example.)

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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 6:57 AM

KANEMAN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
So, what else is new? The Republican agenda since Obama was elected is to block the President from accomplishing any part of his agenda.

Nothing has changed. The "Party of No" is STILL the Party of No. My only question is: Now that Republicans (and Tea Baggers) are part of the gubmint, will Americans hold them accountable for lack of progress by 2012? Or will Americans suffer a collective blackout and rewrite history, which they are prone to do? (Rappy is a great example.)




They should say no. That is why the American people voted them in overwhelmingly....To say no to socialism and tyrannical government, to shrink size and scope of federal government, and to make sure barry is one term...

Sorry this bothers you. To the victor goes the spoils. I make no apoligies for the GOP, instead I cheer them on....

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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 9:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sig: Yes and yes. I feel the same. And share the same fears, that the Republican obstructionism will be spun to still blame the Democrats and Obama, and their followers will be blind to reality. My other fear is that Obama STILL hasn’t learned the fucking lesson, and will compromise and compromise, resulting in bad legislation which only makes the situation worse.

The thing that galls me is that they’ve said quite clearly that their FOCUS will be on making Obama a one-term President, as Kane so clearly stated. Their main focus should be on improving the situation, on working for the good of the American people, and their stated purpose shows they don’t give a flying fuck about us, only about gaining power.
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That is why the American people voted them in overwhelmingly
What you so desperately refuse to see is that he American people voted the way they did out of FEAR, out of the state of the economy and the hope that “someone else” will make it better. What I see is the Republicans deliberately making it WORSE, some because they think their way is better, some quite deliberately because if they make it worse, they can increase the fear and gain power.

“Socialism and tyrannical government” has nothing to do with it; Republicans would be equally tyrannical once they got real power, they just DID, veering further and further from the Constitution and our laws and morals for eight years, and creating the situation we are in today. As for socialism, that is a buzz word effectively utilized to blind people to reality. Socialism = higher taxes. Taxes haven’t been raised. Even if the tax cuts WRITTEN TO EXTEND ONLY TEN YEARS goes back to its original amount, it’s not raising taxes, it’s letting them expire as they were intended to do (well, not by Bush, he knew once in place they’d be damned hard to get rid of). Socialism = free healthcare. Healthcare as it is and has been growing to be for so long is BANKRUPTING us; fixing it isn’t socialism, it’s common economical sense. I could go on, but you’re incapable of embracing anything outside your narrow purview, nor do you want to even consider anything but the propaganda and buzz words ingrained in you.

Republicans aren’t the victors, tho’ temporarily they have gained control of the House. There will be little, if any, victory in the results of this election; you won’t take us back before the measures which bettered this country, tho’ you’ll try like sons of bitches; you won’t make it a better country, only a worse one; you won’t help the deficit (hell, right now the Repubs want to INCREASE it mightily, for the benefit of the rich); you won’t improve the life of everyday Americans, only increase the gap between rich and poor. There is no victory in that.

The only “smaller” government the right wants is doing away with safety nets; they will work for LARGER government to increase the power of private enterprise, the already rich, politicians and lobbyists. Time will show this wasn’t a step forward, but rather a step backward...or rather, actually, status quo of government not doing a damned thing but engaging in infighting and ignoring the plight of the rest of us, as I see it.

Aaand, here come the personal attacks, because I believe differently than you do. Ready:


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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 9:15 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


No compromise. No retreat.

When it comes to our freedoms, our natural law...

Hell the F yeah.

MAKE me pay for YOUR healthcare? That'll be the day.

MAKE me stifle my speech, so that I don't offend anyone? Yeah, lol, good luck.

MAKE me be defenseless? Sure. TRY.



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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No compromise. No retreat.

When it comes to our freedoms, our natural law...

Hell the F yeah.

...aaaand, Wulf's fantasy world strickes again. NOBODY has endangered your "freedom", and what the hell you even MEANT by "natural law" escapes me...


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