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A Browncoat sex poll (not for kids- R rated!!)

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Sunday, August 1, 2010 2:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Is it the point of sex to make your partner orgasm, or yourself?
In other words, does your pleasure come mostly from your own, or your lovers'?


Personally. it's not all about me.

Thoughts?



The laughing Chrisisall



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Sunday, August 1, 2010 2:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


What are you up to, Chris?

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 2:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Sorry, it posted before I could type the question.
Dumass computer.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 2:35 PM

BYTEMITE


Like in all forms of human interaction, I assume if the experience is not enjoyable for both participants, then they will eventually discontinue that form of interaction.

I guess you would call that mutualism. So I would say that continued practice of mutualism is important for the continued survival of the species.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 2:41 PM

CHRISISALL


That's really rather clinical.

I wanna make my lover happy before me. That's hottness IMO.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:08 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
In other words, does your pleasure come mostly from your own, or your lover's?



Yes.

If everybody ain't having fun, ain't nobody having near as much fun as possible.
"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:11 PM

MINCINGBEAST


The point of sex is procreation. Pleasure is irrelevant.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Both.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:23 PM

NAVYSEILS


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sorry, it posted before I could type the question.
Dumass computer.



You know, I think you can get a pill for that now :)

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Yes.

If everybody ain't having fun, ain't nobody having near as much fun as possible.

Well put.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:37 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
The point of sex is procreation. Pleasure is irrelevant.

Thank you Nature.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, August 1, 2010 3:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Both.

Yeah, but what is most fun in life?

To bang your lover, to see her writhe before you, and to hear the moans of your woman.






The Conan Chrisisall


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Sunday, August 1, 2010 4:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's really rather clinical.

I wanna make my lover happy before me. That's hottness IMO.




My god.... how much quiche did you have this weekend ?






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Sunday, August 1, 2010 4:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Both.

Yeah, but what is most fun in life?

To bang your lover, to see her writhe before you, and to hear the moans of your woman.




Well, yes, but while I'm trying to make HER orgasm, she's doing the same to ME. And as long as everyone gets theirs, the when can be all a bonus.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 5:06 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


It depends how much money is at stake.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 6:11 PM

BLAZINGUN


I find that if the both of us are equally pleasured then it makes for a much happier next day!!!!




Lil Gal Big Gun

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 6:29 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

It depends how much money is at stake.


Yes, yes, all women are whores and/or chattel. We know.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 7:37 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Assuming, of course, that the woman are not faking it.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Yes We Did!




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Sunday, August 1, 2010 11:06 PM

AGENTROUKA


Just to add another viewpoint:

If your partner's visible pleasure is your sole focus, this can become a rather mood-killing form of pressure for them to perform to your satisfaction. Very little is as unsexy as feeling constantly watched like some kind of orgasmo-meter to give feedback on the partner's performance.

Sometimes sex is not about writhing but about a feeling of connection, making orgasm extremely secondary.
What about people who aren't very vocal?
What if they're having sex to please you even if they're not necessarily in The Mood themselves - not pressured into it but wanting to give something to make you feel good?

I think a healthy balance between one's own pleasure and one's partner's is best. Focusing only on yourself is pretty bad, but focusing only on your partner can be just as blinding for you and uncomfortable for them.

I like Byte's term "mutualism". It describes that balance pretty well.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 3:17 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Both.

Yeah, but what is most fun in life?

To bang your lover, to see her writhe before you, and to hear the moans of your woman.




Well, yes, but while I'm trying to make HER orgasm, she's doing the same to ME. And as long as everyone gets theirs, the when can be all a bonus.




You just don't know when to give up, do you? That's an awfully big HER ya wrote there. Trying too hard I suspect. Let's start viewing your gay-ness like our military's don't ask don't tell policy. You don't have to tell anyone you like to play in the pudding, however I don't think you should have to lie either. See, I don't think it's very good for your psyche to be living in the closet anonymously in cyber-space. Most of these candy asses wouldn't make fun of you for being a man-hole coverer. In full disclosure, I will... butt I do that anyway. So to get to the point...You can stop the charades.......Well, it's true.........

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Monday, August 2, 2010 4:13 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:

Quote:

It depends how much money is at stake.


Yes, yes, all women are whores and/or chattel. We know.



You're not married, are you?

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Monday, August 2, 2010 5:04 AM

MAL4PREZ


This post has moved elsewhere. :)

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Monday, August 2, 2010 5:57 AM

IREMISST


Makes you want to bring back stonings just for one day, don't it?

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Monday, August 2, 2010 6:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:

If your partner's visible pleasure is your sole focus, this can become a rather mood-killing form of pressure

Not when lost in the throws of ecstasy.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, August 2, 2010 6:22 AM

MAL4PREZ


Oh - sorry for the hijack Chris. I was digging through old threads and the years-old pattern of abuse put me over the limit. Minor tantrum. I completely forget what thread this was! I'll repost it where it belongs.

Carry on with all the good sex.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 6:42 AM

CHRISISALL


No prob.



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Monday, August 2, 2010 8:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


In all this, one thing has not been mentioned; what about someone pressured into having sex even when they don't want to? There are millions out there...mostly women. They fake it and never do get much pleasure. Just sayin'. And definitely ot talking about myself. Just felt it should be mentioned. In all this discussion, I thought they should be spoken up for.

I'm on the side of "mutualism". Sometimes I enjoy getting Jim off and not being "pleasured" myself but enjoying the banging just as much. With a woman, easier to get and give orgasm, for me, and of course there's no "banging" anyway, per se, so nothing to "work toward". I enjoy pleasuring, and enjoy being pleasured.

Admittedly I can't judge by any I haven't had sex with, but it always seemed to me like guys wanted to "get there" fastest And it always seemed like if they DIDN'T "get there", it wasn't enjoyable for them.

As such, I prefer women. We can pleasure for ages, and snuggle, and go back to pleasuring, take a break and start all over, etc., etc.--partly because we can have as many as we want I suppose. The pressure to get to the finish line, then it's over, with the men I've been with isn't as much fun for me.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, August 2, 2010 8:17 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Someone must represent the position that coitus, in addition to being icky, is a zero sum game. Pleasure is finite. If you're enjoying your friction and mucus (that's all sex is, but for VD), then the person unfortunate enough to be having coitus with you isn't. Hence, to be fair, neither you nor your partner should enjoy it.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 8:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!











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Monday, August 2, 2010 9:18 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
it always seemed to me like guys wanted to "get there" fastest And it always seemed like if they DIDN'T "get there", it wasn't enjoyable for them.


It's not a race for me, it's a cruise. The only limitation being general energy levels.
And "getting there?"
I don't worry. As Wash said, that part'll happen pretty definitely.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, August 2, 2010 10:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then you are a rare breed and much to be treasured Chris. I've never been that lucky with a male. Your partner must rejoice (or if she doesn't, SHOULD!).

You have my deepest sympathy, Mincing, since it seems you don't enjoy it. Sex is FUN...and if pleasure is finite, does that mean we shouldn't seek it?? Kind of self-defeating, isn't that?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, August 2, 2010 10:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops, double post.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 10:38 AM

KIRKULES


I think Tenacious D has it about right. Every encounter should have it's own dynamics and what is right one time might not be good the next.




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Monday, August 2, 2010 11:20 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:







HA! Good one.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 11:37 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Someone must represent the position that coitus, in addition to being icky, is a zero sum game. Pleasure is finite. If you're enjoying your friction and mucus (that's all sex is, but for VD), then the person unfortunate enough to be having coitus with you isn't. Hence, to be fair, neither you nor your partner should enjoy it.



Unfortunately, your experiments and observations have led you astray. Try communicating with your test subjects sometime. Separate human beings don't share nerve endings, so it's possible that one might have some enjoyment without subtracting from that of their partner.

My studies have also concluded that it is gross, however, so you're not too far off the mark. I've also learned that this now inexplicably widespread practice was copped from a reproductive function, now rarely used for that intention. Only mutualism keeps them at it and from extinction, and so keeps the population awash with midges that will eventually form cocoons and emerge in the adult form. Were it not for mutualism, I imagine they wouldn't bother and would all find something better to do, like post on the internet.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 12:22 PM

MINCINGBEAST


My research confirms that human beings don't share nerve endings, but for the Corsican twins. This is as it should be, because if I shared nerve endings with Wulf, for example, I would be unable to resist constantly attacking my nads. Yes, it would hurt me, but it would hurt him, too, and that's the point.

But sex is more than nerve endings--and the nerve endings involved can be enjoyed without a partner. Sex has a psychological component, and this psychological pleasure is finite. There is no greater turn off than your partner having lots of fun. Its distracting and awkward and unwholesome.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 12:28 PM

BYTEMITE


Ah. I find your follow-up explanation thoroughly adequate, and entirely consistent with the standard taboo against fun.

I suspect though that the subjects would have a different explanation, and I thought the primary objective was to try to understand the human perspective. Being that, in the past, imposing outsider perspective on the subject groups has resulted in inadequate predictions of behaviour.

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Monday, August 2, 2010 5:50 PM

IREMISST


Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Sex has a psychological component, and this psychological pleasure is finite. There is no greater turn off than your partner having lots of fun. Its distracting and awkward and unwholesome.




Your research is massively flawed, I suggest resetting the parameters and re-doing the experiment *only this time* try to shut your self-fucking overanalyizing brain off and try just enjoying SOMETHING for a change! I suggest mood altering paraphanalia as that is your only hope...

Good Luck, for you will need it...

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Monday, August 2, 2010 6:14 PM

IREMISST


Sex is like pizza, when it's hot and messy, it's the best. Even when it's cold and quick it's still pretty filling...

I still love it. EVERY...DAMN...TIME. Even when things go wrong or we get interupted. Don't much care who gets theirs or when, 'cause we love each other and we both want >us< to be happy!


Here's to you hubby!

Only eight more days 'till school starts!

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Monday, August 2, 2010 7:58 PM

REENACT12321


me thinks mincing beast is bitter about something going badly for him.

"...we need a hood ornament..."

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Monday, August 2, 2010 11:34 PM

AGENTROUKA


I kind of want a comic about Byte and Mince discussing reproduction. ^_^ They should wear goggles. Because it's Science(tm)!

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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:57 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Your research is massively flawed, I suggest resetting the parameters and re-doing the experiment *only this time* try to shut your self-fucking overanalyizing brain off and try just enjoying SOMETHING for a change! I suggest mood altering paraphanalia as that is your only hope...

Good Luck, for you will need it...



For some people, non-essential biological functions aren't worshiped as the fundamental meaning of life. Equally, it might not necessarily mean something is wrong with them, but rather just that they are different.

I note that non-reproductive altruism is a common genetic encoding for socially organized animals, such as insects, and certain mammals, including humans.

So it's perfectly within the first and second standard deviation of human thought and behaviour. These non-reproductive altruistic tendencies can manifest through alternative sexual orientations, including absence of sexual orientation and lack of interest/attraction to either gender. To this small grouping of people, it could therefore also be within reason that sex might seem pointless, and unhygienic.

Your recommendation comes across like telling a gay man to try women again because he is over analytical/hyper-critical of his experiences with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual

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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:25 PM

IREMISST


I am NOT going to debate the pleasures of the flesh with someone who takes pride in NOT having them... This thread is about sex and I'm all for it!!! If you don't like it then why post here at all? It's like going to an Anti-gay rally when you are gay, which would be extremly masochistic and antagonizing and therefore illogical.

I understand why you are the way you are and respect your right to be that way and at the same time will always think of people like you as slightly damaged. If you got the parts and they work you were meant to use 'em. I'd say the same thing to anyone who would cut off a piece or decide not to use a part and tell 'em they were being (at best) illogical.

You will not convince me that asexuality is a norm... Deviations ARE normal, the deviant is not. You also can't tell me that you don't feel in the slightest bit left out -at the very least on a spiritual level because I can tell you from experience that you are MISSING OUT...Humanity is a communal species because it is advantageous to be so! You are at a disadvantage, whether or not you have chosen asexuality... If you are happy being illogical, great, I'm happy for ya!

Rant over, I'm done

Peace Out

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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 2:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:



So it's perfectly within the first and second standard deviation of human thought and behaviour. These non-reproductive altruistic tendencies can manifest through alternative sexual orientations, including absence of sexual orientation and lack of interest/attraction to either gender. To this small grouping of people, it could therefore also be within reason that sex might seem pointless, and unhygienic.


Kind of like telling me how good a cheeseburger is; as a peep who eats no dead mammals, it would be, at best, a waste of my time.
Is that a decent analogy, Byte?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:02 PM

BYTEMITE


I called you neither illogical nor damaged. Again, I'm wondering why I'm eliciting such a strong negative response from you, you're coming across as very defensive. When I say sex is gross, that does not mean I'm saying people who have it are gross. MB might, but he likes to be contrary.

This thread asked for what people think is the point of sex, and the question posed was whether sex should be about pleasure for the partner or pleasure for the self. This does not require any particular experience with sex to comment on, or any particular fondness for sex. My initial answer, BTW, was not "eww gross," but rather that for survival reasons pleasure in sex should probably be mutual.

I will not respect any of your suggestions that I should censor my opinion for your benefit, or get out. Nor should I.

Quote:

You will not convince me that asexuality is a norm... Deviations ARE normal, the deviant is not.


Deviant: "— adj
1. deviating, as from what is considered acceptable behaviour "

How is my lifestyle socially unacceptable? Who does it hurt?

Do you believe homosexuality is deviant?

"In the modern West, major studies indicate homosexuality is prevalent in 2% to 13% of the population."

"In all of adulthood until the time of surveying (given that surveyed people were of different ages), the number of partners was zero (asexual) for 2.9% of adults: 3.4% of men and 2.5% of women."

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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:03 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:



So it's perfectly within the first and second standard deviation of human thought and behaviour. These non-reproductive altruistic tendencies can manifest through alternative sexual orientations, including absence of sexual orientation and lack of interest/attraction to either gender. To this small grouping of people, it could therefore also be within reason that sex might seem pointless, and unhygienic.


Kind of like telling me how good a cheeseburger is; as a peep who eats no dead mammals, it would be, at best, a waste of my time.
Is that a decent analogy, Byte?


The laughing Chrisisall




Exactly. I was going to make an analogy myself involving Hawaiian pizza, but I decided against it.

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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:09 PM

IREMISST


Once again, on this subject, I guess I'm not gettin you, and you are definately not gettin me... I've already agreed to disagree sooo like I said...

"Peace Out"

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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don't particularly get it either Iremist. Byte is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else is, and people often post in threads about something and express disdain or negativity about the topic.

Having the parts and not using them doesn't mean one is damaged; there are many reasons not to have sex in one's life, none of which necessarily have to do with being "damaged". It's a choice, and I guarantee life can be quite fulfilling without needing sex, especially for women!

I realize the sexual drive in men is pretty ingrained and makes it difficult for them to consider life without sex acceptable, but I think calling someone "damaged" OR "illogical"for choosing not to have sex is pretty pathetic.

There are many ways to be spiritual, with or without someone else, and many ways to connect and to love as well. I think your judgmentalism is unfounded and rather rude; what YOU believe isn't necessarily what the whole world believes, and I see no reason Byte should feel disadvantaged or missing out.

"Agreeing to disagree" is not a matter for judgment or censure. I think your judgment is unfair and inappropriate. Just my opinion.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Irie, would you call Chris a deviant? After all, he HAS incisors with which to cut and tear meat, and he chooses not to use them.

There are people who enjoy all kinds of sex, and some people who enjoy none at all. Consenting adults, and all that. Freedom to sleep with whomever you want (as long as they're a consenting adult) also implied freedom not to sleep with anyone if you so desire. Or don't desire, as the case may be.

I find Byte to be different. A cipher, a puzzlement, refreshing at times, confounding at others. But I don't find her to be deviant.



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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:39 PM

BYTEMITE


She asked to stop, I'm stopping. She is just as entitled to her opinion as I am, and doesn't need to be beaten up over it.

It's not like it's not anything I don't hear over and over again. I live in Utah, remember? The idea that I won't fall in love, get married or have a family is met with the exact same horror as if I said I sacrificed babies and used the blood for a skin softener. Someone told me once that they thought the devil had possessed me.

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