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RAND Paul is a racist asshole!!

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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:10 PM

WULFENSTAR

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/18/tuesday.primaries/index.html?hp
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Now we just need to get Ron Paul to replace Obama and we will have a fighting chance at turning this country around and making things right!

:))






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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:41 PM

DREAMTROVE


ETA: He hasnt actually won yet, its just a primary.



I will actually give kudos to the tea party for this one, and as much as I distrust dynastic politics, rand is going to be an asset.

I disagree that we need regime change. A fair number of the presidents staff and advisors make me nervous, and some of them I actively distrust, but I don't really have major problems with the president himself. I have no problem with him staying.

I think the more logical approach would be to push the president to have some personnel changes as Bush and Clinton did, just in a more libertarian direction.

Our ambassador to Iraq, Chris Hill, would make a fine sec, of state, I think we have a number of good candidates for sec of defense, I'd prefer to see someone who had served, particularly in a lower capacity, which is wh I liked obama's initial suggestion of Hage, so we could get more respect for the situation and our troops, but mainly, I think we need to see a shake up of the economic team. At least an equal share of Austrian school mon the team would improve things tremendously, even a few decent fiscal conservatives would help a lot.

Suggestions ?

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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:44 PM

ANTIMASON


thats what im sayin

someone told me 'Rons too old! he'll be in his late 70's by then!'..

and i thought about it some.. i actually think that may be a good thing! maybe the President should spend more time in the White House, taking care of matters from there, sort of setting the pace from washington..

..rather then spending every waking hour traveling the US and the world, constantly campaigning and hobb-nobbing with the political elite.

what a change that would be!

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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:51 PM

ANTIMASON


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

I disagree that we need regime change. A fair number of the presidents staff and advisors make me nervous, and some of them I actively distrust, but I don't really have major problems with the president himself. I have no problem with him staying.

I think the more logical approach would be to push the president to have some personnel changes as Bush and Clinton did, just in a more libertarian direction.



i wish Obama would have a change of heart, and really contemplate and dwell on the principles of libertarianism.. it would do him wonders. as Charismatic and likeable as he is, he could change the world!! he could become the greatest president in our history even! its just too bad hes more of the same politics that he claimed to be opposing

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I think we need to see a shake up of the economic team. At least an equal share of Austrian school mon the team would improve things tremendously, even a few decent fiscal conservatives would help a lot.

Suggestions ?



i agree. from what ive heard though, the white house was opposed to bill that would have allowed auditing of the Fed, so im guessing he has people close to him who have a vested interest in protecting the current dominance of Keynesianism

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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I heard some polling earlier today that might not make Rand's followers quite so happy. Seems when given a choice between Greyson and the Democrat, registered voters (not registered Republicans, which is what was allowed to vote in the primary), Greyson won those polls. When given a choice between Rand Paul and the Democrat, the Democrat won in those hypotheticals.

So best of luck to him, but all he won tonight was the right to run against another opponent.

Be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:32 PM

ANTIMASON


true.. but mark my words, when it comes down to message, Rand Paul will win. in their hearts, people believe in liberty

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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:58 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
true.. but mark my words, when it comes down to message, Rand Paul will win. in their hearts, people believe in liberty



At least, those who know if it....






Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
true.. but mark my words, when it comes down to message, Rand Paul will win. in their hearts, people believe in liberty




2/3 of the state of Arizona beg to differ.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I listened to Rand Paul. He's a corporatist shill and an ignoramus. If policies are swayed in HIS direction, people will find themselves STILL getting the big shaft up the buttside, because the worst problem is not the gubmint, its the banks, the military-industrial complex, the oil companies, the gorram health "insurances", climate change, and overpopulation, and no amount of denial is gonna change that.

He's living in fantasy-land, and encouraging others to join him. And while fantasy-land may be a nice place to mentally park yourself, sooner or later reality WILL intrude.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:10 AM

WULFENSTAR

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For Sig and Kwick, regarding their comments...





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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wulf, let me put this in terms you might understand: I fear that you and your ilk are closest to Anakin Skywalker: So full of fear and hatred that although you THINK you're fighting for freedom, everything you create turns into oppression. You may "win", but you will fail your purpose.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm still trying to figure out HOW it's going to *change everything* if Rand Paul wins the seat in November. If he's a Republican, he'll caucus with the Republicans, or he'll be outcast and lose in 6 years; if he's independent, he'll likely be targeted by BOTH sides, and he won't be able to get much of anything accomplished, and he'll be ousted in 6 years.

So far, I'm not seeing any more "independence" from him than I see from Scott Brown who, the second he was elected, started running as fast and as far away from the Tea Party as he could.

What exactly is it that you think would change, Wulfie? And *IS* it "change", or just more of the same? With the neocon machine behind him, wouldn't Rand Paul be either (a) just as much a GOP machine tool as Mitch McConnell or John McCain, or (b) as irrelevant and ineffective as his father has been on the national stage? Remember, die-hard Republican loyalists like "Hero" *STILL* hate Ron Paul and everything he stands for; do you think they'll be lining up behind his son?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:02 AM

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Heh.

And here were we few, who know (not suspect) that you serve an evil empire.



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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:06 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Just thought this was neat... heheh


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:15 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"Remember, die-hard Republican loyalists like "Hero" *STILL* hate Ron Paul and everything he stands for; do you think they'll be lining up behind his son?"

Its amazing to me that people STILL think this is about parties.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

And here were we few, who know (not suspect) that you serve an evil empire.
Yep, we HAVE an evil empire. It is constructed of corporate interests who rape the world and their government lackeys who enable it. You and I are not so far apart, Wulf... except that I'm not a racist or a corporatist and I'm not driven by fear. But if you get rid of gubmint you will not get rid of corporations, and they'll run amok and butt-rape you even worse than now.

What I would REALLY like... not that you're paying much attention to nuanced ideas, seeing as you're driven by emotion rather than logic... is for government to reduce drastically in SOME areas, especially military spending and bank bailouts and all the other areas where it exists to serve the pleasure of big money. I could see doing away with corporate personhood... or even corporations altogether. I could see the whole idea of patents and copyrights flushed down the shitter, our military empire dismantled, and our "free trade" agreements shredded.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:30 AM

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John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




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“These petty dictators say that to stop climate change it’s about ending capitalism, they are explicit, and the President by attending Copenhagen gives credibility and credence to these folks and he should not go. I have a message, a message from the Tea Party, a message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: We have come to take our government back!"
-Dr Rand Paul MD, US Senate acceptance speech



Censored by CNN for attacking NWO: Rand Paul Savages Obama’s Catastrophic “Green Economy”
http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-savages-obama%E2%80%99s-catastrophic
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Censored by CNN:



Uncensored full speech:



CNN did broadcast the full speech by the Democrat who defeated jew Arlen "Magic Bullet" Specter, the evil lawyer from the Warren Commission that covered up LBJ's assassination of president JFK.


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:46 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Uggh.

The one thing I wish the Pauls had was showmanship.

They are almost completely right about everything they say, but they need to do it with more verve.

Gotta compete with the Obama circus.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:12 AM

WULFENSTAR

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But you know what?

You can't fight the truth.

It shall set you free ect..

So, we will see.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, YOU can't fight the truth. And it will set you free, sooner or later. I hope. The truth is that corporations are not your salvation.

I'd like to see you fight the REAL power behind the throne, for once, instead of toadying up to it like Obama does.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:27 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/18/tuesday.primaries/index.html?hp
t=T1&iref=BN1


Now we just need to get Ron Paul to replace Obama and we will have a fighting chance at turning this country around and making things right!

:))








He won a primary only. Meanwhile, the Dem he'll be facing pulled in over 22,000 more votes in their Primary.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:29 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Its amazing to me that people STILL think this is about parties.



That might have something to do with there being no indication (other than some whiney angry white boys) that it ISN'T.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:30 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Sig,

Your "truth" is that corporations run everything and hurt everyone, and that all weath should be passed around.

My truth is that people should be free, to do as they wish, keep what they earn fully, and if they are smart enough to come up with something to better mankind, benefit from it.

Lets see who *wins*.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Remember, die-hard Republican loyalists like "Hero" *STILL* hate Ron Paul and everything he stands for; do you think they'll be lining up behind his son?"

Its amazing to me that people STILL think this is about parties.



And it's equally amazing to me to hear that people STILL think it isn't, when they're crowing about a registered Republican winning a Republican primary in which only registered Republicans can run or vote. But yeah, it's nothing to do with parties...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:32 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Story,

Sorry if you arn't some "white boy".

But it isn't my fault.

Take your racism and bitterness someplace else.


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Sig,

Your "truth" is that corporations run everything and hurt everyone, and that all weath should be passed around.

My truth is that people should be free, to do as they wish, keep what they earn fully, and if they are smart enough to come up with something to better mankind, benefit from it.

Lets see who *wins*.



In your world, are corporations like BP responsible for the damage they do? Or should the taxpayers get stuck with the bills for bailing them out? What are the limits to those "benefits" they are allowed to reap? ARE there any limits, in your ideal world?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Story,

Sorry if you arn't some "white boy".

But it isn't my fault.

Take your racism and bitterness someplace else.





BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!


WHO was it that had to whip out the "Thass raciss!" card in this thread?

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:42 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Story,

Sorry if you arn't some "white boy".

But it isn't my fault.

Take your racism and bitterness someplace else.




I'm about as white as you can be. I'm just not a whiney teabagger.


Telling that once again, you ignore the point, and fixate on the most facile element of a post (and that's setting aside the inherent projection from you, the biggest and most unabashed racist amongst us).

Pretty pathetic attempt at distraction, but I know not to expect anything better from you.


"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:47 AM

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"In your world, are corporations like BP responsible for the damage they do? Or should the taxpayers get stuck with the bills for bailing them out? What are the limits to those "benefits" they are allowed to reap? ARE there any limits, in your ideal world?"

Of course corporations are responsible for what they do.

We should never "bailout" a company. But thats YOUR guys MO isn't it?

There are no benefits (financially). Except in the case where they must make their product affordable to the general public. (If I came up with a cure for cancer, damn right I better be one of, if not, THE richest man on the planet... but not by making it unaffordable to most people)

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:52 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

We should never "bailout" a company. But thats YOUR guys MO isn't it?




What, you cover your eyes and ears and sing "nyah nyah nyah" when Bush put Tarp through.... or are you just an idiot?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"In your world, are corporations like BP responsible for the damage they do? Or should the taxpayers get stuck with the bills for bailing them out? What are the limits to those "benefits" they are allowed to reap? ARE there any limits, in your ideal world?"

Of course corporations are responsible for what they do.



100% responsible, without limits or caps?

Quote:


We should never "bailout" a company. But thats YOUR guys MO isn't it?



Never? EVER? What if it's the only hospital in a 100-mile radius? No government funding at all? Should they be required to treat people if they aren't sure they can pay?

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There are no benefits (financially). Except in the case where they must make their product affordable to the general public. (If I came up with a cure for cancer, damn right I better be one of, if not, THE richest man on the planet... but not by making it unaffordable to most people)



You obviously don't work for a pharmaceutical company if this is your belief. If you work for them, you don't own your work, and you're due nothing more than your usual paycheck for that work. They, however, are entitled to as much as they can squeeze out of people, under the current system.

And yes, a cancer cure would indeed be unaffordable to most people, at least here in the U.S., and they'd bankrupt themselves trying to afford it. Maybe you've had your head in the sand (or somewhere else); that happens every single day here in the "land of the free"

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

We should never "bailout" a company. But thats YOUR guys MO isn't it?




What, you cover your eyes and ears and sing "nyah nyah nyah" when Bush put Tarp through.... or are you just an idiot?




I'm thinking it's the second option.

That, or Wulfie was too busy whining "Tha's raciss!"

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:20 AM

WULFENSTAR

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That, or Wulfie was too busy whining "Tha's raciss!""

Sorry Kwiks...

Thats you and your guys MO.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wulfie, dear... YOUR problem is that you think you're a "corporation". Last time I checked, you're not Goldman Sachs or BP or anything like it. You're confused. Like I told Geezer: YOU think you're part of the game. And meanwhile... THEY don't even know you exist.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:34 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Im GLAD they don't know I exist!

Heh, what do you think the mask is for?

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:37 AM

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Let me rephrase that... THEY don't know you exist... except as some sort of gelatinous fodder to be pushed into whatever process they choose to push you into.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:06 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Ehhh, I understood what you meant.

Doesn't make a diff.

Don't you get that?

No matter what "they" push on us... no matter how much "they" try and shape us.

There will always be a resistance.

I'm just happy to be on the right side of things.

:)

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:13 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
That, or Wulfie was too busy whining "Tha's raciss!""

Sorry Kwiks...

Thats you and your guys MO.



Then why is it you who always brings it up?

Again with the projections.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


My point, Wulf, is that you don't even know half the time that you ARE being pushed into something. "The way things are" fades into the background ... IS the background... and people don't pay any attention, altho they should.

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
That, or Wulfie was too busy whining "Tha's raciss!""

Sorry Kwiks...

Thats you and your guys MO.



Then why was it you that started whining about it?

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:34 PM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ehhh, I understood what you meant.

Doesn't make a diff.

Don't you get that?

No matter what "they" push on us... no matter how much "they" try and shape us.

There will always be a resistance.

I'm just happy to be on the right side of things.

:)



But how do you KNOW it's the "right side" of things?

Hitler thought he was on the ride side of things. Al Qaeda is convinced that THEY are on the right side of things. By all indications, Dubya actually thought HE was on the right side of things, and all the evidence to the contrary was unable to convince him.

What is it that makes you think you're on the "right" side of anything? What if you're wrong? What if you've been duped?

Mike

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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:46 PM

KWICKO

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Bump for the Wulfboy!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"In your world, are corporations like BP responsible for the damage they do? Or should the taxpayers get stuck with the bills for bailing them out? What are the limits to those "benefits" they are allowed to reap? ARE there any limits, in your ideal world?"

Of course corporations are responsible for what they do.



100% responsible, without limits or caps?

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We should never "bailout" a company. But thats YOUR guys MO isn't it?



Never? EVER? What if it's the only hospital in a 100-mile radius? No government funding at all? Should they be required to treat people if they aren't sure they can pay?

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There are no benefits (financially). Except in the case where they must make their product affordable to the general public. (If I came up with a cure for cancer, damn right I better be one of, if not, THE richest man on the planet... but not by making it unaffordable to most people)



You obviously don't work for a pharmaceutical company if this is your belief. If you work for them, you don't own your work, and you're due nothing more than your usual paycheck for that work. They, however, are entitled to as much as they can squeeze out of people, under the current system.

And yes, a cancer cure would indeed be unaffordable to most people, at least here in the U.S., and they'd bankrupt themselves trying to afford it. Maybe you've had your head in the sand (or somewhere else); that happens every single day here in the "land of the free"

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions





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Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:37 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Right Kwick,

So, you are for communism then I take it? Or socialism?

As for me.. if I were to figure out the cure for cancer, damn right Im getting paid for it.

lol My last name ISN'T Kalashnikov.

However, that said, I would do everything to make it affordable for everyone.

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:46 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Right Kwick,

So, you are for communism then I take it? Or socialism?




We already have socialism. You are a part of it every single day. Do you travel on roads? Did you build those roads with your own hands? Did you pay a contractor out of your own pocket to build them? Or did you allow the city, county, state, or federal government to contract with a builder to build those roads with YOUR tax money and mine - regardless of whether I drive a car, ride a bike, take a bus, or even walk on those roads. Your world wants to be either 100% free-market/NO government, or 100% no-market communism. You can't get it through your thick skull that there are levels of grey between the black and the white of those issues.

I actually CAN support the idea of *SOME* socialism. If you support the military's mission to defend the nation, then YOU support socialism, too. After all, YOU as a taxpayer are forced to pay for that military, even if you feel you're better-prepared to defend your property than they are. You've just been socialized.

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As for me.. if I were to figure out the cure for cancer, damn right Im getting paid for it.



Explain how. Be explicit. Go into minute detail. HOW would you ensure that the work you do - I'm assuming you're doing it in a research lab that is either owned by a private corporation or a publicly-funded school, unless you've already got billions of dollars to fund your own research - remains solely YOUR property? HOW can you make sure that nobody else - neither the government which gives you research grants nor the corporations which pay you for researching things for them - has a valid claim on your work?

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lol My last name ISN'T Kalashnikov.



Of course it isn't. You've never contributed anything of substance to society or the world. Kalashnikov has - he's given us a revolutionary weapons system AND a pretty damned good vodka.

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However, that said, I would do everything to make it affordable for everyone.


Again, HOW?


And back to my questions I asked yesterday, what about them? Are you ducking, hiding, or trying to change the subject?

If a corporation does $20,000,000,000.00 in damage to a state, a group of states, a coastline, several industries, hundreds or thousands of families, etc., how much liability do they have for that damage? Can they just declare bankruptcy and walk away? Are the people whose livelihoods were just wiped out just shit outta luck? Do they have no recourse at all? Too bad, so sad, thanks for playing?

If not, then WHO picks up the tab? The taxpayers? The federal government? The corporation? Who?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/rand_paul_telling_t
he_truth.html


Please read the article before making a comment...





comment.



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Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:26 AM

STORYMARK


Seems Wulfie has reached Rappian levels in his refusal to address even the simplest of questions, if they should dare make him consider his own views for even a millisecond.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, Wulfy, I *did* read the article. I just had to comment first, because I don't like anyone telling me what to do. Call me an anti-authoritarian that way! ;)

So Rand Paul lives in a fantasy world where the South was going to desegregate anyway, huh? We didn't need any laws to desegregate the South, even though the North had done so 145 years earlier (according to Rand Paul. I'm skeptical of his "facts", as you should be as well. He is, after all, a politician.)

So, just as the South was really going to end slavery - I promise they were! - they were taking great strides and pains to end segregation and Jim Crow laws, right? And really, Rosa Parks wasn't asked to get to the back of the bus or give up her seat because she was black and a white man wanted that seat - she was just being asked to be chivalrous!

Dr. Paul claims these things were happening on their own, and no law was needed to make them official. He tends to ignore the realities on the ground, though.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:50 AM

STORYMARK


I was funny seeing him on Maddow's show last night, refusing to answer whether or not private businesses should be able to ban blacks.

No wonder Wulfie's a fan.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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