How did you come by your political beliefs? by chrisisall

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How did you come by your political beliefs?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Saturday, May 8, 2010 09:21
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Friday, May 7, 2010 3:04 PM

Me: my Dad went through the Great Depression and came out a Republican. Stop the dominoes fallin' & everything kind.
Voted for Tricky Dickie, loved Reagan...

But when I questioned him, all his beliefs politically seemed to come from fear of loss- loss of our American way of life, loss of good economy, loss of the cold war, etc.

I came to see that fear-based beliefs gave power to the fascists in our land- emboldened them to take more. More rights, more money, more third-word governments.
More LIVES.

I became a Dem. Later, frustrated with Clinton, I became an Independent.

My Dad voted for Obama, I'm proud to say. He's gotten quite wise in his older age.

What's YOUR story?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 7, 2010 3:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

My dad voted Nixon. I told him there was something about him I just didn't trust. He voted Reagan. ONCE. He never voted Clinton, or either Bush. He wanted to live long enough to vote for Obama, but missed it by a few months.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 7, 2010 3:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Seemed almost an in-born bent, but the real kickoff was comparing what my public school "history" class was teaching with encylopedia britannica and realizing just how badly I was being lied to...

In combination with the epiphany upon discovering that no matter how the system is rigged, from monarchy to fascism, communism, democracy, "Government" all boiled down to the same thing, some asshole or collective therof, in my life, in my face, telling ME what to do, under threat of force.

Slavery by any other name....

And of course, the point of contention being that the school lied to me about the EXISTENCE, much less the arguments, of the Antifederalists, which lead to learning about that end of the political spectrum I had no idea existed, and eventually Kropotkin, Spooner, H.L. Mencken...

And they made FAR more sense than the notion that people were inherently evil and needed to be controlled for their own good, a notion always, ALWAYS espoused by those handing out the leashes with the notion that THEY were the ones gonna be holding the other end.

Again, slavery by any other name...

-Frem

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Friday, May 7, 2010 3:56 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
He wanted to live long enough to vote for Obama, but missed it by a few months.

Sorry Mike.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:00 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
"Government" all boiled down to the same thing, some asshole or collective therof, in my life, in my face, telling ME what to do, under threat of force.

Slavery by any other name....

I'm totally with ya there, Frem. School taught me all I needed to know about "authority."

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, AURaptor, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am a conservative!

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:13 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, AURaptor, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am a conservative!

Some wat'ry tart lobbing scimitars is no basis for a logical system of beliefs, you've got to have checks & balances...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

" bloody peasant...."

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:26 PM

MINCINGBEAST

This account is the communal property of half a dozen glue-sniffing adolescents. We don't have any political beliefs between us. We will follow this thread with interest, in order to avoid developing political beliefs.

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:27 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
" bloody peasant...."

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:31 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
This account is the communal property of half a dozen glue-sniffing adolescents.

I actually did this by accident in my model-making years. Not as much fun as you might be led to believe, and extremely headache-inducing.

I learned to open the windows even in winter, I'll tell ya!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:40 PM

MINCINGBEAST

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I actually did this by accident in my model-making years. Not as much fun as you might be led to believe, and extremely headache-inducing.

The headaches are fleeting, but the brain damage lasts.

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Friday, May 7, 2010 4:47 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:

The headaches are fleeting, but the brain damage lasts.

I am sorry for you.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 8, 2010 1:16 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
" bloody peasant...."

Did you see 'im oppressing me? Tha's wha' I'm on about!

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Saturday, May 8, 2010 7:48 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Did you see 'im oppressing me? Tha's wha' I'm on about!

Shut up! SHUT UP!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 8, 2010 9:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
But when I questioned him, all his beliefs politically seemed to come from fear of loss- loss of our American way of life, loss of good economy, loss of the cold war, etc.

I came to see that fear-based beliefs gave power to the fascists in our land- emboldened them to take more. More rights, more money, more third-word governments.
More LIVES

Well said, and right on!

Good for your and Mike's dads, both. Sometimes wisdom DOES come with old age. I'm sorry about your dad, Mike; I wish he could have enjoyed it with the rest of us!

I already told my story elsewhere, so I won't bore you by duplicating.

As to Crappy, now it's clear! His adoration of fantasy made him conservative. Who'd-a thunk it!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, May 8, 2010 9:21 AM

SERGEANTX

It all comes back to grade school, doesn't it?

It think I recognized pretty early on that systems of authority were pretty much always about some people having power over some other people. And I happened to notice that the phoniest and sleaziest of people seem to be the ones with the most skill at manipulating those systems.

And then in high school I read "An Enemy of the People" be Henrik Ibsen. Which pretty much sealed my fate. Later I read Rand, Mencken, and the rest of the usual suspects, with various levels of doubt an suspicion - but the notion that never left me was the observation that government tended to disintegrate into organized bullying.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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