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Monday, February 23, 2009 7:09 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Monday, February 23, 2009 11:02 PM

PIRATECAT


Alot of butt rapen gonna happen this summer. Now you got some deals right now on big screen hd tvs. Or you can wait till summer to steal one during the riots across America. The NFL is already noticing a drop in ticket sales. This has to do with the sale of flat screens. I heard plasma screens don't work to good at high altitude. Yeh America is gonna turn into Bosnia come the heat wave. Now pick out neighbors to bang and make jerky out of.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:23 AM

WASHNWEAR


Yep - truly an exciting time to be alive.

Or undead.

Either way.



It was like that when we got here!

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:37 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Shit, along with the riots and the tyranny thats coming our way, I better make sure to buy as many bullets as I can.

Hmm...Glocks are still damn expensive. But I think I can save up for at least 2. SHould I get the .45,.40. or 9mm or the baby Glock?

And as to long guns...Bushmaster Ar15? Or the Panther .308?

All things considered, if the shtf, and we have to chuck and make the fight a shoot and scoot game, which would be the better rifle? The .308 has the better range and heavier round...but the Nato round is lighter and I can carry more.

Considering that we might, unfortunately have to fight our own military, which should we go with?

Hypothetically, of course....

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Wulf, you're one guy, if you need that much ammo you're a dead man anyway - go with range, reliability and durability in a common caliber.

I'd reccommend the Tikka T3 series, as it makes an excellent hunting rifle besides, so even if naught comes to pass it's useful and valuable.

-F

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:05 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Hmm...Glocks are still damn expensive. But I think I can save up for at least 2. SHould I get the .45,.40. or 9mm or the baby Glock?

And as to long guns...Bushmaster Ar15? Or the Panther .308?

All things considered, if the shtf, and we have to chuck and make the fight a shoot and scoot game, which would be the better rifle? The .308 has the better range and heavier round...but the Nato round is lighter and I can carry more.



I'm not a big fan of the Glock, but it's just because of my affinity for aesthetically pleasing guns. I definitely wouldn't get a compact unless it is for concealed carry. Full size pistols feel and shoot much better for me. The only thing that might steer you away from the 40 cal is the cost and availability of ammo.

I'm also looking at buying a 308 which is the NATO 7.72x51mm. I've heard the Panther is a great rifle, but for a little more you can get the original version, the Armalite AR-10. The 308 is a great hunting caliber, unless you are going to be hunting elephant, in which case you might want to go with an M-1 Garand in 30-06.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Ditch the Glock - too damned expensive. They're a nice gun, don't get me wrong - but I just never have warmed up to them. For the price of 1 Glock, you could probably track down 2 Ruger P85 or P90 model 9mm guns. The nine's a known entity, it's been around forever, and it's GOING to be around for quite some time.

How to re-arm yourself with a nine? Simple. Shoot someone, pick up their ammo. Done.

For a rifle, a .308 is a great caliber (I like the FN/FAL platform myself, but that's just personal preference) for range, but for carrying and in-close work, I'll take the 7.62x39 every day. .223 is fine, but it doesn't have a whole lot of stopping power. On the bright side, you can carry a lot more ammo, because it's smaller and lighter. The drawback is, you're gonna need a lot more ammo to get anything done. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

.308 & .223 are easy to pick up from any dead soldiers around (hey, we're talking purely hypothetically here, right?) if they're U.S. soldiers, anyway. If they're from just about anywhere else in the world, they'll be carrying the 7.62x39.

In either case, you're gonna wish you had some grenades...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA


*snickers at the obvious typo*
My buddy Rev says go with the Springfield XD series, which he is especially fond of.

Me being a popgunner, I prefer Taurus or Bersa products - but then, I have depth perception issues with make shooting at anything more than 30 some yards away a waste of ammo to begin with.

Of course, with Forquet, it's not like I need to actually AIM that monstrosity, really - and if 21 rounds of single-O doesn't put something away, imma break off a chair leg for a wooden stake, right ?

Oh, and for those that actually hunt game, there's a couple really nice G-1 NV scopes with built in laser rangefinder and BDC that have come way down in price recently, Nikon and Bushell both have some sweet ones under $799 - but I'd take the Nikon by choice, if it would do ME any good, lol.

-F

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:20 PM

KIRKULES


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

For a rifle, a .308 is a great caliber (I like the FN/FAL platform myself, but that's just personal preference) for range,


The FAL would be one of my first choices, but quality rifles are hard to come by. I've heard mixed reviews of the Century FAL's that are available, any ideas on where to find a good quality FAL.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:22 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I never liked 9mm, myself - and it's doubtful I could use someone elses ammo, cause my "nine" is actually a Polish WWII Radom automatic given to me by a friends grandfather, and I am dubious that full charge modern ammo would work well in it.
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/hem2.passagen.se/dadkri/Vis35.htm

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:28 PM

CHRISISALL


This guy in the next town over has an anti-aircraft gun in his two car garage, I swear. He test fires it every 4th of July during the fireworks, and says he keeps it in case of revolution. Guy scares the crap outta me, honestly.







Did that get attention in the net sweeps? I conjure it made some intel guy crack a smile, or, at least I hope it did...

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:39 PM

WHOZIT


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Get Ready for Mass Retail Closings
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/yftt_187534/Get-Ready-for
-Mass-Retail-Closings?tickers=sks,^gspc,jwn,tif,zlc,jcp


www.deadmalls.com

Then all hell will break loose... in dead malls.




Pittsburg Steelers fans celabrate their Super Bowl victory by eating a police officer.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

For a rifle, a .308 is a great caliber (I like the FN/FAL platform myself, but that's just personal preference) for range,


The FAL would be one of my first choices, but quality rifles are hard to come by. I've heard mixed reviews of the Century FAL's that are available, any ideas on where to find a good quality FAL.



Y'know, I pretty much haven't heard anything good about ANY rifle Century touches. What the hell is with those guys? And why the hell are they still in business?

Last FAL I handled was an Argentine build. I liked it. It put a whole bunch of lead right on target at 100 yards, and didn't kick near as much as my hoary old bolt-action Mosin-Nagant. I'd hazard a guess that it's the semi-auto action that makes it kick less, since the bolt-action rifle puts all the recoil energy into recoil, while the gas-operated semi-auto sends most of that energy to cycling the action for the next round.

As to where to find a nice FAL, I'd say look for older ones, avoid the newer Century builds. Good advice no matter what rifle you're looking for, it seems! :)

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:51 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I never liked 9mm, myself - and it's doubtful I could use someone elses ammo, cause my "nine" is actually a Polish WWII Radom automatic given to me by a friends grandfather, and I am dubious that full charge modern ammo would work well in it.
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/hem2.passagen.se/dadkri/Vis35.html




Frem, I like the 9x19mm, aka 9mm Luger or 9mm Parabellum. It seems to be by far the most common 9mm round out there - enough so that I can pick up a hundred at Wal-Mart for $18 or so, or a thousand at the gun show for about $150. I haven't bought any in the past few months, so those prices have almost surely gone up...



Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:05 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Shit, along with the riots and the tyranny thats coming our way, I better make sure to buy as many bullets as I can.

Hmm...Glocks are still damn expensive. But I think I can save up for at least 2. SHould I get the .45,.40. or 9mm or the baby Glock?

And as to long guns...Bushmaster Ar15? Or the Panther .308?

All things considered, if the shtf, and we have to chuck and make the fight a shoot and scoot game, which would be the better rifle? The .308 has the better range and heavier round...but the Nato round is lighter and I can carry more.

Considering that we might, unfortunately have to fight our own military, which should we go with?

Hypothetically, of course....


KelTec small & cheap made in USA. Up to 9mm. BIG kick tho.

Cheap Ruger Mini 14 is better in Mini 30. Can use iron sights at 75 yards and scope at 200 at same time.

308 semi auto M14 or 30-06 bolt are good long -range anti-armor artillery, but SWATS are getting semiauto Barrett 50-cal...

Best defense is getting cops and troops to join the people against the NWO.



"We are on the verge of 1860."
-Glenn Beck, Fox & Friends



"Yeah, get under the desk, that's where you belong."
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I think, that I will offer this one, without comment.

You'll figure it out.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=41c48b2062a9df4df
4e303900bc5fdf0&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

PirateNews wrote:


Cheap Ruger Mini 14 is better in Mini 30. Can use iron sights at 75 yards and scope at 200 at same time.

308 semi auto M14 or 30-06 bolt are good long -range anti-armor artillery, but SWATS are getting semiauto Barrett 50-cal...



Never had any experiences with the Mini-14, but that feature is what I like about my Saiga. I put a surplus Belorus-made AK-style scope mount on it (it has the side-mount scope rail like the AK family), and it raises the scope well above the iron sights, so I can go to either one in the blink of an eye. Oddly, I tend to shoot better at 100 yards on the open iron sights.

As for the Barrett fifty-cal, a couple thoughts. (1) I'd love to have one, but purely as a toy. And (2) god-DAMN but those things are expensive to shoot! If you're relying on the 50-cal to save your life, you're going to need a fortune in ammo AND a couple helpers to lug all that ammo around, 'cause it ain't gonna be easy to find ammo for it if the shit truly hits the fan.

BTW, Barrett's had such a good response from the military on his rifles that he's now working on punching out the .50 to a 25mm shell. That's no longer a rifle - it's a freaking ARTILLERY piece! The goal is to be able to take out amored personnel carriers and the like at over 2000 yards.

I enjoy guns and shooting, but if it ever came to a point where I was relying on one to save my ass and something I could travel with, I'd grab the 9mm and the AK and as much ammo as I could carry, and call it good. Neither are the ultimate in stopping power or range, but either are plenty good enough in a pinch, simple as hell to operate and take care of, reliable as can be (I've personally put well over a thousand rounds through that cheapie little Ruger 9mm, and it's only ever jammed on me ONCE - a failure to feed that was quickly cleared.), and small and light enough to carry for long distances, as is their ammo.

Funny thing is, I don't expect it's ever going to come to that - or, worse, if it DOES, then the guns really aren't going to save my ass for very long at all. Still, though, it makes for a fun thought exercise, and there's no harm in thinking, right?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I think, that I will offer this one, without comment.

You'll figure it out.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=41c48b2062a9df4df
4e303900bc5fdf0&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck
=



Yeah.

Ummmm... That's really beginning to damage my calm.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:12 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090224/N
EWS10/902240390



So they are blatantly getting ready to do door-to-door search and seizures...

Honest opinion, if it did come to that...morally, can you shoot first?

Edited: Sorry, but this is the kind of shiat that keeps me up at night.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:04 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL


Carry a small hatchet. Useful and easy to throw with practice. If you cock an axe, people think you're insane and don't mess with you...you might have more hatchets ready to throw.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:47 PM

PIRATECAT


Wulf, I was reading about good weapons in case of collapse of the Union. 9mm most popular ammo, .45 and then .38. But .22 most cheap to get alot on hand because of price. Glock most reliable, Ruger .22 rifle for hunting, 30/30 hunting rifle and then assault rifles. It was a common sense thing. Being able to get the ammo most used to reliabilty and defense power. Y'all need some seasoning for all the pink skins laying around.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA


(RANT ALERT: Incoming! Find Cover!)

Quote:

Barrett's had such a good response from the military on his rifles that he's now working on punching out the .50 to a 25mm shell. That's no longer a rifle - it's a freaking ARTILLERY piece! The goal is to be able to take out amored personnel carriers and the like at over 2000 yards.

Dipwads, looks good on paper, think about it in practice.
Weapon, ammo, people to lug it, setup time - bogged down and near helpless under all the weight, move like turtles, especially since we keep packing more and more armor on them, and hoping our focus on physical capability over marksmanship and tactics can keep up...

Back in my day (damn that makes me sound old) we had ONE week of Basic Rifle Training, that's it - as opposed to constant physical training.

Look here, if you're 6'8" and 300lbs of mountain man muscle, armored like a tank, and my puny little 5'6" 125lb crippled ass pops a round through your face from a hundred yards away, what good did that muscle, and all that armor which loaded you down and made sure I had all the time in the world to make that shot - do you ?

One of the things that's getting our ass handed to us out in the sandbox is how we limit our mobility, we keep up-armoring our guys, and the locals can run circles around us, so then we can't engage on foot and have to go to vehicles, which they blow the fekk out of with IED, and so we up armor those, and make em even slower, easier targets.

And of course, the fact that we KEEP shorting weapons and tactics for physical conditioning, I ain't sayin that don't have it's place, but the days of fucking hacking and hewing are OVER, ok ?

Speed, mobility and weapon use are more important in a 4GW urban situation than armor and physical capability - and despite that biting us on the ass, again, and again, and AGAIN, no one seems to learn it.

Worse is our troops need to have their hand held by radio at every single second cause all self-determination, initiative and ability to think for themselves is drummed out of them in training - do you know what most of special forces training is, really ?
Trying to put it back! yeesh.

Our opponents, whatever your moral stand on it, they do not have these glaring weaknesses, and they KNOW we do, it's why they're so damned effective - it's vietnam all over again, really.

So this idea of Barret's is just plain stupid, makes targets out of the guys who have to lug it, slows em down, and by the time they set that monstrosity up and take a shot, welll....
For defending a static position maybe, but we've already got the TOW which is far more effective and can mop full size tanks, it's completely redundant.

Our primary focus in my era of training was western euro theatre, and the primary threat to us supply types was being flanked by Sov-bloc BMPs, nasty little buggers, quick too, with just enough armor to be a right pain in the ass - to which they floated the M72A2 LAW rocket.

Not too bad a weapon, but fragile in practice, tricky to use (although it can be deployed quite fast) an of course, one shot only - we've actually started using them again in Iraq cause they'll make mincemeat of a technical AND can be fired at them almost immediately, as opposed to having a setup time, accurate enough at the ranges most infantry would be engaging light armor anyhow.

Wasn't my answer tho - most of the times you wind up with Light Armor/infantry it's at closer ranges than "the book" would have you believe, especially something quick like a BMP or Technical.

One might recall I carried an M-60, the big daddy one (in fact the one we had dumped on us had what we believe was an AA barrel on it) cause the mighty mattel plastic toy wouldn't FIRE often enough to make me comfy with carrying that thing - well, I also lugged, on person, a 50 round box of M61 Black Tip, which *WILL* hole a Sov-bloc BMP at less than 150m, and in a bad way too, cause about half of em will punch through one side and, umm, bounce around in there a bit.

If either of our LAW luggers didn't get that sucker, I damn sure planned to, if at all possible before they unassed it on us.

One of the big drawbacks to the M240SAW is it's complete lack of armor penetration, not that big a factor in 4GW where armor is all but obsolete, but the weight and bulk make it inferior in practice to the shorty M4, which, provided you can get it to FIRE more than five times in a row, is a fairly effective weapon for the job - why lug a "heavy machinegun" around to do an assault rifles job ?

As you can imagine, actually knowing something about this shit, the "solutions" of boardroom table chair polishers in their air conditioned pentagon offices make me wince at the very friggin thought, and while Barret's light fifty is a pretty awesome weapon for it's purposes, and effective as hell, the Anti-tank rifle as a concept was proven useless in a battlefield sense as early as WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_rifle

Of course, one must remember, these are the same morons who couldn't get it through their thick heads that human wave glory charges were obsolete the moment the machinegun was invented, and still train our troops to musket line tactics - really, when was the last time we had to dress right after a volley, or fix bayonets and charge ?

Not to mention they ain't quite got the fact that the days of "great murtherin battles" of epic scale are gone for good, and there's no NEED for carpet bombing, naval artillery (tho tommyhawks have their place) and all that glory days of WWII bullshit anymore.

So dragging a concept that quite rightly was dumped on the scrapheap of history, and for damn good reasons, many years ago is just plain idiotic.

Sorry to rant, but damn this shit frustrates me, especially when we lose people to it for no good reason.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Honest opinion, if it did come to that...morally, can you shoot first?

Morally yes, in practice, suicidal - besides being tactically foolish.

Quote:

Carry a small hatchet. Useful and easy to throw with practice. If you cock an axe, people think you're insane and don't mess with you...you might have more hatchets ready to throw.

Squeee! Hello empress !

A good hatchet is a wonderful tool, especially something like the ESTWING E3, which combines hammer, axe, wire cutter and nail puller in one handy package.
http://www.dynamitetoolco.com/Estwing_E3_1H_22_oz_Carpenter_s_Hammer_p
/est-e31h.htm

While still retaining that ever so handy "Ax-Crazy" fear factor, of course.


-F

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