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Psych Wards and Chemical Controls for Dissidents

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:56 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


BEIJING —

" Local officials in Shandong Province have apparently found a cost-effective way to deal with gadflies, whistle-blowers and all manner of muckraking citizens who dare to challenge the authorities: dispatch them to the local psychiatric hospital.

In an investigative report published Monday by a state-owned newspaper, public security officials in the city of Xintai in Shandong Province were said to have been institutionalizing residents who persist in their personal campaigns to expose corruption or the unfair seizure of their property. Some people said they were committed for up to two years, and several of those interviewed said they were forcibly medicated.

The article, in The Beijing News, said most inmates were released after they agreed to give up their causes."



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/asia/09china.html?partner=rss&
emc=rss





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Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Nothin new here, they stole that trick from the Soviets.

And we do it here, too - every single day.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35966

The model's already in place, the powers that be just haven't chosen to apply it to adults very much....

YET.

The sensible, logical course of action would be to scuttle it before it comes to that, but no one gives a fuck cause it's used primarily against juvenilles, i.e. - non-voting, non-taxpaying, rightless non-persons.

And as long as the machinery in place, all it would ever take is just a little expansion of the program, now wouldn't it ?

There's *REASONS* I dump sand in these gears primarily, folks.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:54 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




ABC news says 'conspiracy theorists' are mentally ill
http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/2008/12/abc-news-says-conspiracy-the
orists-are.html


ABC News, "Friendly Fire: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba", May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Kentucky Teacher Placed In Psych Ward For Declaring 9/11 Was An 'Inside Job'
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5994

BBC Implies 9/11 Truth Movement a Cult of Mythology
www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2007/150207bbcimplies.htm

BBC Says WTC7 Collapsed 1 Hour Before It Did
www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc7_videos.html

9/11 Conspiracy Theories Ridiculous says Al Qaeda



CNN, Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks, September 17, 2001


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

George Carlin on Conspiracy Theorists: Violence is the Only Solution



Navy SEALS Governor Jesse Ventura says 9/11 was an inside job
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/040208_jesse_ventura.htm

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using ISRAELI passports. They are considered armed and dangerous."
—Emergency 911 Dispatch, BOLO (Be On the LookOut), Knoxville, Tennessee, September 11, 2001, 11am EST
www.whatreallyhappened.com/hundreds.html



"I'd make a great terrorist."
-Mark Loizeaux, owner of Controlled Demolition Inc, paid $3-billion government contract to "demolish" WTC "after" 9/11/2001, bomber of Oklahoma City federal building, "Summer of Destruction 2001" bomber of in History Channel's Wrecking Ball, bomber of 7,000 other government buildings, graduate of University of Tennessee College of Civil Engineering at Knoxville, BBC TV: Conspiracy Files 9/11 The Third Tower, July 2008
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8500406504731486597
www.infowars.net/articles/july2008/100708BBC.htm


www.911pressfortruth.com/families
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+press+for+truth&emb=0&aq=f#









"We could develop a Communist Cuba TERROR campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal."
—General Lyman Lemnitzer, Jewish Zionist chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara, Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
—George Bush Jr, convicted drunk driver

Dr. Charles Sell DDS, US Army forensic dental patholigist at the Waco Church Massacre, jailed 10 years in loonybin for testifying that dozens of the 80- victims had a single bullet hole to the head. The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that "involuntary medication is the only way for the government to achieve its interest in fairly trying Sell."
www.cpmission.com/main/painpolitics/sell.html

Welcome to the Gulag Dr Sell
www.newswithviews.com/Mary/starrett15.htm

Quote:

US v Sell, Case No. 02-5664

6-3 ruling by US Supreme Court says prosecutors can forcibly medicate defendants

The Magistrate had him examined at a United States Medi-cal Center for Federal Prisoners (Medical Center), found him men-tally incompetent to stand trial, and ordered his hospitalization to determine whether he would attain the capacity to allow his trial to proceed. While there, Sell refused the staff’s recommendation to take antipsychotic medication. Medical Center authorities decided to al-low involuntary medication, which Sell challenged in court. The Magistrate authorized forced administration of antipsychotic drugs, finding that Sell was a danger to himself and others, that medication was the only way to render him less dangerous, that any serious side effects could be ameliorated, that the benefits to Sell outweighed the risks, and that the drugs were substantially likely to return Sell to competence. In affirming, the District Court found the Magistrate’s dangerousness finding clearly erroneous but concluded that medication
was the only viable hope of rendering Sell competent to stand trial and was necessary to serve the Government’s interest in obtaining
an adjudication of his guilt or innocence. The Eighth Circuit affirmed.

Under the framework of Washington v. Harper, 494 U. S. 210, and Riggins v. Nevada, 504 U. S. 127, the Constitution permits the Government
involuntarily to administer antipsychotic drugs to render a mentally ill defendant competent to stand trial.

This standard will permit forced medication solely for trial competence purposes in certain instances. But these instances may be rare, because the standard says or fairly implies the following: First, a court must find that important governmental interests are at stake.

Second, the court must conclude that forced medication will significantly further those concomitant state interests. It must find that medication is substantially likely to render
the defendant competent to stand trial and substantially unlikely to have side effects that will interfere significantly with the defen-dant’s ability to assist counsel in conducting a defense. Third, the court must conclude that involuntary medication is necessary to fur-ther those interests and find that alternative, less intrusive treat-ments are unlikely to achieve substantially the same results. Fourth, the court must conclude that administering the drugs is medically appropriate.

After noting that Sell subsequently had “been returned to an open ward,” the District Court held the Magistrate’s “dangerousness” finding “clearly erroneous.”

Nonetheless, the District Court affirmed the Magis-trate’s order permitting Sell’s involuntary medication. The court wrote that “anti-psychotic drugs are medically appropriate,” that “they represent the only viable hope of rendering defendant competent to stand trial,” and that “administration of such drugs appears necessary to serve the government’s compelling interest in obtaining an adjudication of defendant’s guilt or innocence of numerous and serious charges”.

We turn now to the basic question presented: Does forced administration of antipsychotic drugs to render Sell competent to stand trial unconstitutionally deprive him of his “liberty” to reject medical treatment?

In Harper, this Court recognized that an individual has a “significant” constitutionally protected “liberty interest” in “avoiding the unwanted administration of antipsychotic drugs.” 494 U. S., at 221.

The Court concluded that, in the circumstances, the state law authorizing involuntary treatment amounted to a consti-tutionally permissible “accommodation between an inmate’s liberty interest in avoiding the forced administra-tion of antipsychotic drugs and the State’s interests in providing appropriate medical treatment to reduce the danger that an inmate suffering from a serious mental disorder represents to himself or others.” Id., at 236.

In Riggins, the Court repeated that an individual has a constitutionally protected liberty “interest in avoiding involuntary administration of antipsychotic drugs”—an interest that only an “essential” or “overriding” state interest might overcome. 504 U. S., at 134, 135.

For another thing, courts typically address involuntary medical treatment as a civil matter, and justify it on these alternative, Harper-type grounds. Every State provides avenues through which, for example, a doctor or institu-tion can seek appointment of a guardian with the power to make a decision authorizing medication—when in the best interests of a patient who lacks the mental competence to make such a decision. And courts, in civil proceedings, may authorize involuntary medication where the patient’s failure to accept treatment threatens injury to the patient or others.

If a court authorizes medication on these alternative grounds, the need to consider authorization on trial com-petence grounds will likely disappear.

For these reasons, we believe that the present orders authorizing forced administration of antipsychotic drugs cannot stand. The Government may pursue its request for forced medication on the grounds discussed in this opin-ion, including grounds related to the danger Sell poses to himself or others. Since Sell’s medical condition may have changed over time, the Government should do so on the basis of current circumstances.
The judgment of the Eighth Circuit is vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

It is so ordered.

www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/sell_index.htm


Captain Dr Sell US Army Reserves says the US Govt murdered 80 Christians in church - THAT'S CRAZYTALK!

Waco Rules of Engagement: Video of Soldiers Machinegunning Survivors at Waco Church
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=waco&gbv=2&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&t
ab=iv
#


PS: Dr Sell is still in the loonybin for 10 years, without trial, for an alleged crime with a max sentence of 2 years.

"You're not paranoid when They're really out to get you. I'm from Kenya. We always suspected AIDS was an American bioweapon to genicide Africa."
-Dr Rodwell MD, Peninsula Psychiatric Hospital, Knoxville TN
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=len%20horowitz%20hiv%20aid
s&gbv=2&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv
#
www.boydgraves.com
www.aidsbiowar.com

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:44 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Interesting, but not too much relation to the topic at hand - excellent pictures however, the second one down, I would like to know the source of, and you know why.

Seriously, tho, your muckraking skills could actually be quite handy here.

Mel Sembler.
Robert Lichfield.
Narvin Lichfield.
John Bundy.
Willa Bundy.
Rick Strawn.
Randall Hinton.

And yes, I already know they bankrolled Mitt Romney, and about Narvin's misadventures in the Dominican Republic, but crosscheck and start diggin, old friend...

Dig DEEP, and bring us what you find out - ought be... interesting.

I'll even give you a little head start with some very interesting pieces, here ya go.
http://creativeyouth.net/bloodmoney.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/synanon/synanon7.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/synanon/synanon9.html

And the fact that Government cutouts partly financed the original Synanon cult in order to study their behavioral modification techniques, which then developed into certain programs you're very well aware of.

Who's techniques are used today in these damned hellcamps, refined to near perfection.

It's where Gucker/Gannon came from, and lots of other "useful" individuals.

You like exposing conspiracies so much, blow this one wide - if you succeed, you'll hurt them where it counts, and badly.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:20 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Link fixed. That's the first I'd seen that new movie poster.

9/11 Press for Truth is the Jersey Girls. I spoke with them by conference call, since my dad is one of their lawyers on the trillion-dollar class action vs the Saudis and Bin Ladens. Bush's lawyer James "Tell Saddam It's OK To Invade Kuwait" Baker is defending the Saudis. I told them how their lawyers are compromised, literally at gunpoint, as I found out the hard way in my own class actions against some of the same players before 9/11.

The Motley Crew lawyers then dropped the hammer on me, ording me to shut down my website and TV show, "or risk losing my inheritance". The Supreme Court is throwing out all those cases against the Saudis, since they aren't listed by the State Dept as a "terrorist nation". As his former legal investigator I tried to get my dad to change the defendants to Bush and Cheney, which gives the court jurisdiction. Then he fired me. Again.

As my dad told me, "So what if all this is true? What the hell are YOU gonna do about it?" He's a president of Assn of Trial Lawyers of America, president of TN Constitutional Convention, candidate for US Senate, who sued the Bush Sr White under the RICO Act for narcoterror bombings to kill US citizens in Iran-Contra. Two guns to his head and told "We'll blow your brains out unless you do what you're told" can change a guy's mind, according to the police report. "Mugging" case "unsolved" by our Skull & Bones mayor/ambassador and his police dept, who we were suing in a class action for massive cartheft racketeering at the time.
www.piratenews.org/newslinks.html

As for psychwards for dissidents, a college professor who helped me publish my article on the CIA/DEA hitman trial in Knoxville TN, and helped the family keep him in prison after his secret parole hearing, was fired by the Univerity of TN, cheated out of his PhD, then slipped a micky drug in his drink in a bar. The killer is now convicted twice in 2 murder trials, but was paroled 3 years before his parole date, and the killer now works in the DA's office, and the homicide prosecutor was fired and blacklisted forever. All I got was a bullet hole in my car. NY Playboy was going to publish our article, since Playboy had a scholaraship to UT that my professor worked on, but the Chicago office killed it.

Slipping a drug in a bar a great way to get "justification" to lock anyone up in a loonybin. Or rape them on a beach and dump the living body in the ocean, as the Holloways found out in Aruba.

My own disability by kidney damage may be due to someone slipping something in my drink. Though I was exposed to so many poisons in my jobs that it's hard to tell. Or E-coli food poisoning that kills by kidney damage. But the disease had rapid onset, so that seems less like long-term exposure.

Or perhaps I was nailed by the 1,000s of soft-kill weapons everyone is exposed to every day?

The best treatment I've found so far is sauna, what the Native Americans call a Medicine Lodge or Sweat Lodge, what kidney doctors today call "home dialysis". Gross, but did you know that sweat is literally urine, with the same composition, tested by scientists for Olympic athletes? Sauna is what Church of Scientology uses as its secret weapon to cure drug addicts and alcoholics, at $50,000 per treatment. I paid $200 for my home sauna, new, from Commie China. It really works up a sweat.

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:35 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And yes, I already know they bankrolled Mitt Romney, and about Narvin's misadventures in the Dominican Republic, but crosscheck and start diggin, old friend...


Mitt Romney's dad was named as a pedophile by Cathy O'Brien, who was told by a judge in my hometown of Knoxville TN that pedophilia is now legalized "for reasons of national security", along with forced Satanic rituals and lobotomies.

Here's a quote from my conversation with a Knoxville city councilmember:

Quote:

"Knoxville must be the most corrupt city on earth. People worry about the
national government but it's the local government people need to fear."
City Councilmember Carlene Malone to Pirate News TV

"Sitting on Council, I was in the presence of evil. There was just darkness. Hopelessness."
Knoxville councilmember Carlene Malone, Metro Pulse, "Malone Alone", December 13, 2001


She was complaining to me about the arson of her 2 cars by the same mafia who stole my cars, then she sued the mayor and city council, just like I was doing.

Now my computer screen just went green. [Twilight Zone music in background]

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, if you ever wanted to really hurt them, that's the best chink in their armor - hit them where they recruit more of these sociopathic bastards, not the movers and shakers, since they breed their own, but the sociopath footsoldiers who actually carry out the dirty work.

First order of business, you know, cut the supply lines.

Why do you think Franklin/Boystown got stomped on so very hard, cause it impacted their personnel recruitment significantly.

You leave em with not enough folk to carry out their orders effectively, they will have to take the field themselves and will thus be vulnerable...

And you better believe should that happen me and mine will be standing there with an axe.

You do your job, I'll do mine.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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