REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Bombay, India, attacked by violent thugs w/ guns, explosives

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Monday, December 1, 2008 03:55
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 6144
PAGE 1 of 1

Friday, November 28, 2008 4:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Oh, wait! They represent the the religion of PEACE! Who would have guessed that one ?

Targeting Americans, Brits and Jews.

Quote:

Dozens Die in Mumbai Attacks
Hotels Under Siege; Gunmen Said to Target Americans, Britons

Terrorists Target India
U.S. officials say they do not know who is behind the deadly terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India. Since 2003, more than 600 people have died in India as a result of terrorism. Bob Orr reports.

By Rama Lakshmi
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 27, 2008; Page A01
NEW DELHI, Nov. 27 -- Gunmen attacked three luxury hotels, a hospital, a train station, a movie theater and other buildings in Mumbai late Wednesday, killing at least 100 people and wounding more than 300 in a rampage through India's financial capital, police said. The attackers took dozens of people hostage, and witnesses said they were seeking out Americans and Britons. An unknown group asserted responsibility in e-mails to India's news media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/11/27/ST200811
2700008.html






( And incidentally, if you're wondering, I saw a Indian t.v. reporter refer to the city as 'Bombay', so Bombay it is )






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 6:23 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Who represents the religion of peace?

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 9:09 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Maybe if certain corporations hadn't crapped on India so hard, they'd not be so pissed about it, and I doubt our more recent actions in the middle east have made us any friends either.

BUT - taking it out on tourists is just as unacceptable as shelling whole neighborhoods.

If they'd constrained their attacks to the assets and personnel of the corporations or governments they felt had shafted em, while still a reprehensible way to go about it, it might have been something one could understand.

This is not - the arbitrary killing of folks uninvolved simply due to race, nationality or belief system is wrong no matter *who* does it.

And so, I'd like some heads, and like I said on Sept 12 2001, I want THE RIGHT DAMNED ONES, not no willy-nilly rush into another fucking disaster we ain't got the troops or resources to waste on.

Grab some of those NSA folk so busy spying on vegetarians and pacifists, or HELPING cook up and support domestic terror plots and wring em out by the balls till they get the goddamn message to DO THEIR GODDAMN JOB for once - find out who and where these bastards are, instead of fucking over their supposed protectees all day long instead.

Find out, cross confirm it, and keep a goddamn LID on it instead of shovelling shit for PR points with the media.

And then contract it out to some locals, police, army, milita, whatever - that want some ass too and ain't too concerned about the niceties, and you tell them where exactly the bastards are.

And then pretend to know absolutely nothing when folks point the finger at us, just smile nice and wide and claim innocence, while staring viciously at anyone who supported these bastards.

The message will get around, believe it.

MUCH cleaner, clearer and more effective than blowing half the damn country up, killing and torturing everyone BUT the primary target and enraging half the planet at us while failing to make ANY progress at the supposed objective.

Above all things, I loathe incompetence.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 9:26 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Maybe if certain corporations hadn't crapped on India so hard, they'd not be so pissed about it, and I doubt our more recent actions in the middle east have made us any friends either.

BUT - taking it out on tourists is just as unacceptable as shelling whole neighborhoods.

If they'd constrained their attacks to the assets and personnel of the corporations or governments they felt had shafted em, while still a reprehensible way to go about it, it might have been something one could understand.

This is not - the arbitrary killing of folks uninvolved simply due to race, nationality or belief system is wrong no matter *who* does it.

And so, I'd like some heads, and like I said on Sept 12 2001, I want THE RIGHT DAMNED ONES, not no willy-nilly rush into another fucking disaster we ain't got the troops or resources to waste on.

Grab some of those NSA folk so busy spying on vegetarians and pacifists, or HELPING cook up and support domestic terror plots and wring em out by the balls till they get the goddamn message to DO THEIR GODDAMN JOB for once - find out who and where these bastards are, instead of fucking over their supposed protectees all day long instead.

Find out, cross confirm it, and keep a goddamn LID on it instead of shovelling shit for PR points with the media.

And then contract it out to some locals, police, army, milita, whatever - that want some ass too and ain't too concerned about the niceties, and you tell them where exactly the bastards are.

And then pretend to know absolutely nothing when folks point the finger at us, just smile nice and wide and claim innocence, while staring viciously at anyone who supported these bastards.

The message will get around, believe it.

MUCH cleaner, clearer and more effective than blowing half the damn country up, killing and torturing everyone BUT the primary target and enraging half the planet at us while failing to make ANY progress at the supposed objective.

Above all things, I loathe incompetence.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

You used alot of words to blame this on "Corporations", favorite target of the left. Would it be stupid to blame this all on "Islamist Terrorists from Pakistan"? Or sould I give you a 500 essay full of misspelled words? You know I have a small brain and can't spellz goood.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 10:01 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Living in a Capitalist country, I recognize that money is a primary motivator for everything that we do.

When we meddle, it is likely to have a money motive.

Corporations are frequently at the profit end of that money motive.

It stands to reason that when people are angered at our meddling, a Corporation is somewhere at the root.

That having been said... I say find the terrorists that arranged this, dismantle their organizations, and slit their throats. If they can't be bothered to get their targets right, I can't be bothered to find any compassion for their point of view.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 10:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Maybe if certain corporations hadn't crapped on India so hard, they'd not be so pissed about it, and I doubt our more recent actions in the middle east have made us any friends either.



Where'd you get this interpretation of the motive for the atacks?

I've seen suggestions of Islamists, or the Pakistani IMI trying to cause trouble for their elected government, but nothing to indicate any attack on Americans and Brits was bad business practice related. Also doesn't explain the attack on the Jewish outreach center.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 10:21 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Living in a Capitalist country, I recognize that money is a primary motivator for everything that we do.

That having been said, when we meddle, it is likely to have a money motive.

Corporations are frequently at the profit end of that money motive.

It stands to reason that when people are angered at our meddling, a Corporation is somewhere at the root.

That having been said... I say find the terrorists that arranged this, dismantle their organizations, and slit their throats. If they can't be bothered to get their targets right, I can't be bothered to find any compassion for their point of view.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Um....no. They make jobs, Terrorist like the mass's poor and hugery so they can tell the mass's that they are poor and hungery BEACUSE of corporations. This is how the KKK and Hitler got there power, they told the poor the reason they were poor was because of the Black and the Jews etc. Terrorists use corporations as the 21st century villian.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 10:41 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important



Hello,

I have no trouble understanding that corporations do provide jobs, and infrastructure, and all manner of good things. I also have no trouble understanding that wars are often fought in the name of corporate profit.

I have no trouble understanding that manipulators will paint any convenient organization or group as the villain in order to motivate people by using hate. I also have no trouble understanding that corporations are not simple beacons of hope, but that they also exploit foreign governments and peoples.

Why must people choose a side and put on blinders?

--Anthony

P.S. In regards to Geezer's commentary, this does appear to be Islamic militants possibly from Pakistan. Which by neat circle brings us round about to why they want to target Westerners? The answer to which is... We meddle. That they also targeted Jewish people requires no deep understanding or logic leap.

P.P.S. Before some unlearned individual posits that understanding why someone might do this is equal to supporting the act, please eject your cranium from your anal recess.

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 11:07 AM

FREMDFIRMA


You seem under the mistaken impression that I believe our corporate fuckery excuses this shit.

It don't.

We *have* stuck it to them via Coca-Cola, Unocal, Union Carbide and others, but also with the gleeful assistance of their own Govt, happily willing to exploit it's own people for a chunk of the take, and being overall substantially more corrupt than ours.

But they didn't strike at the corps, or the Gov, they struck at the innocent, and that I do consider a revolting act of pure terrorism which is by any means inexcusable.

And thus I am completely down with slitting the throats of the bastards responsible, but I wanna make damn sure we got the right guys when we do it, so the correct message is sent - we go off half cocked again and start killin and torturing all the wrong folk it's not gonna do anything but just piss more of the world off at us.

Make SURE of it, and then kill them via proxy in the messiest possible way, make it abundantly clear what price will be extracted, and by preference, do it through their own people and/or intelligence services.

The perps in question being ripped limb from limb by a mob of angry locals, in public, would do far more to forestall future incidents of this nature than any ham-fisted halfassery of the type we've practiced so far.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 11:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Frem
This has ZERO to do with " evil " corporations. It has every thing to do with muslim zealots hating freedom, feeling slighted and left behind in the 1st millenium, and inferior. Stop trying to explain away the mindless violence by the followers of Islam.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 11:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I see we crossposted again, Anthony.

Isn't amazing how two very similar trains of thought have such radically different approaches ?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GettingCrapPastTheRadar
VS
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity

Two methods, same intention, meh.

-F

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 11:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Bullshit, you pathetic laughingstock - it provides the bastards with a handy excuse to rile up folk and a handy "enemy" to rally them against while planning all the while to manipulate and exploit them just as badly.

And you're too much of a fucking blinkered idiot wallowing in your treasured and self-imposed ignorance to see it.

If they hadn't DONE shit to hand out such an easy excuse, the bastards at hand would have tried it anyway, and been much less successful for it.

As it is, they've overplayed their hand by deliberately targeting the innocent, and if executed with some subtlety and finesse, that can be turned against them to sap any support they have and in fact turn their own against them...

Unless some damn stupid ignoranus like you decides to just randomly flail at the whole region like an angry two year old stung by a bee, unthinking and enraged by a combination of their own intolerance, hatred and stupidity moreso than the deed in question, thus "proving" to the locals that the terrorists were right all along and firming up the very excuse I'd like to see us take away from them.

But no, you're a fuckin idiot like that, and frankly, Rappy - in my eyes, you are JUST like them, hateful of anything that conflicts with your own precious little worldview, and willing to take any measure no matter how vile to destroy that which is different.

And the fact that you will never see, much less acknowledge this, is exactly why you are, and always will be, a damn laughingstock in these discussions.

Now go play, us adults have things to discuss.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 11:40 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Frem, while I often find myself in agreement with you, and while I frequently find disagreement with Mr. Raptor, I don't wish to insult him or silence him. There is room for all opinions and dissenting viewpoints, I think.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM

MALBADINLATIN


What the terrorists have done, is deny the US the ability to hang it all on Al Queda.

And infinitly worse for the terrorists, they've brassed off Mosad. How many times have we heard about car bombings of high Hizzbollah commanders in Syria and Lebanon? With nobody claiming responsibility? That's Mosad's MO. They want them to know they did it and avoid UN entanglements you get with admitting it. They have smart operatives with smart commanders, on well supported long term ops. We in the US with our Keystone Cops version of non-intelligence, can't fathom the idea that your neighbor of 15 years will plant a bomb in your car, or maybe never as part of his assignment. But those humps are gonna die one way or another now.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 1:34 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Frem,

Train together as many insults and vulgarities as you want, your tirade can't change the fact that Islmo-zealots are attacking India at her heart out of blind fear, hatred and loathing of all things 21st century.

Write a damn 1000 pages full of clueless excuse making and misplaced attacks all you want, all it does is make you look even more like a far fringe whack job that you really are.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 1:48 PM

WHOZIT


I agree, this a terrorist act of the Coca-Cola Bottling Company.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 1:57 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I don't think the conclusion, "These people hate all things 21st century" or "these people hate freedom" rings particularly true. Just because a group happens to have religious zealotry at its core doesn't mean to me that it is motivated by a hatred of abstract concepts.

I think any war needs concrete articles to motivate its soldiers. To me, this is why a generic "war on Terror" was not individually sufficient to get the U.S. into Iraq. Specific examples of concrete concern had to be cited (or manufactured) to get people grooving with the program: Piles of chemical and biological weapons. Examples of extreme cruelty to the populace.

It stands to reason that these people you cite as "hating all things 21st century" actually have more concrete examples of concern. Which leads us back into Meddling, which points towards our overseas policies, both of government and business.

The fact that they targeted Westerners as a priority is telling, and it doesn't just say, "We hate the 21st century."

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:22 PM

KHYRON


Another PR disaster for Islam. No, not the attack itself, rather the response by moderate Islamism: *crickets chirp*.

------------------------------

What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA


It's actually somewhat amusing to watch you blind yourself to what I am actually saying because you don't like the messenger and your ego cannot take mockery, Rap.

What part of "Let's get them torn limb from limb on worldwide television by angry crowds of their own people" didn't make it through your thick head simply because I happen to actually understand their motives and tactics ?

If you do not understand them, you will never beat them - the very KEY to dropping sand in their gears and turning their own people against them rests in an understanding you refuse to acknowledge simply because your narrow little peabrain cannot accept the plain and simple fact that not everyone sees the world exactly as you do, or in such black and white terms.

And as long as fools similar in nature and mein are in charge of policy, we ain't gonna beat em, just hand them more excuses to rile folk up against us, and drive ever more folk into their camp.

As long as these radical shitheads are seen as less offensive, less harmful and less exploitive than us - they WILL flock to the bastards, cause reality is what it is despite all the petty little delusions and wishful thinking slathered in black and white excuses that make no sense.

And every time some fool like you opens their mouth the hand the bad guys one more excuse, our chances get that much dimmer.

--

Anthony, after almost a decade of folks like this, their party, their policies, their ignorance, stupidity and hate - I've really had enough of it, and the damage it's done.

And I know folks are too forgiving and will all too soon let the memory of this fade, whereupon we'll be set upon by these jackals and their rabid supporters once again - who in fact I see as not really that much different than the folks they're supposedly fighting, although it's strange just how much of their efforts seem directed at other americans who disagree with them in comparison, isn't it ?

And so, while they and their party are down on the floor flailing, hell yes, imma kick them, and imma KEEP kickin em, till they are finished off or slink off - they had their chance to become a reasoned, rational opposition, but that isn't what they wanted, is it ?

So having prettymuch admitted what their intent is, a fascist state where ONLY their beliefs and viewpoints count - can you really fault me for the full intent to verbally excoriate them at every turn, and provoke them into reminding folk why they cannot ever be trusted or reasoned with ?

They want a world where there's room for only one viewpoint, fine, dandy - then I will do all in my power to make damn sure it ain't never gonna be theirs.

End of Line.

-Frem

EDIT; Khyron, if we were smart, we'd *use* that to provoke the moderates into doing something about it - but as usual the folks in power are gonna rail at all of Islam cause they're intolerant shitheads, and will drive the moderates right into the arms of the radicals, AGAIN.

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


AnthonyT,

Sorry, but despite your incredulity, that is precisely what motivates them. Just as it's still hard to grasp Hitlers 'final solution' for the Jews and those of 'lesser' human stock, it does not change the fact that he and his NAZI folks did indeed intend to do away with many millions of humans, systematically, to exterminate them.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

it does not change the fact that he and his Neocon folks did indeed intend to do away with many millions of Liberals, systematically, to exterminate them.

Applies just as well this way too.

Not so different, are they ?

-F

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Frem,

You're an blithering idiot.

Thank you.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

it does not change the fact that he and his Neocon folks did indeed intend to do away with many millions of Liberals, systematically, to exterminate them.

Applies just as well this way too.

Not so different, are they ?

-F



I repeat myself

.... a blithering idiot.








It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:31 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Hitler certainly did exterminate a bunch of Jewish people (amongst others) but that wasn't what WWII was fought over. It seems to me that WWII occurred because Germany had been crushed under the boots of Europe and squeezed for every drop in retaliation for WWI. And so while claptrap rhetoric might have led the Germans to put Jewish people in ovens, it was the very real economic problems of Germany that allowed Hitler to mobilize against Europe.

Wouldn't you agree?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:31 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Khyron, if we were smart, we'd *use* that to provoke the moderates into doing something about it - but as usual the folks in power are gonna rail at all of Islam cause they're intolerant shitheads, and will drive the moderates right into the arms of the radicals, AGAIN.

Is it really up to us to provoke the moderates into doing something about it? It's time (and has been for a while now) for moderate Muslims to get off their bloody arses and do something about the loony fringe that has hijacked their religion, and it should not be up to the West to get them to do it.

ETA: If any moderate Muslims become terrorists just because the "folks in power" call them intolerant shitheads, then they're intolerant shitheads, and they just proved their critics to be right.

------------------------------

What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:37 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

In my opinion, Khyron, there is the way the world SHOULD be, and the way it IS.

The world SHOULD be a place where moderates denounce the extremists among them.

However,

The world IS a place where shame has to be maneuvered into place.

I support Frem's opinion that understanding the motivations of the opposition is key to manipulating them.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:47 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
In my opinion, Khyron, there is the way the world SHOULD be, and the way it IS.

The world SHOULD be a place where moderates denounce the extremists among them.

I agree, let's take it a step further. Islam SHOULD be a religion of peace. It IS NOT, and until the day moderates finally start taking the fight against the extremists amongst them seriously, it SHOULD NOT be regarded as a religion of peace just for the sake of political correctness. If Islam wants to be called the religion of peace, it's up to the moderates to prove that they mean it. Until that time, they're losing the PR war, which just exasperates the problem.

------------------------------

What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:49 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Well, but then I don't call it the 'Religion of Peace' either. There are a lot of religions higher up in the 'Peace' list than Islam or Christianity, in my opinion.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 2:58 PM

KHYRON


I'm not saying you did. It's what the PC brigade does, though, and it has to stop, at least until real progress inside the Islamic community is made.

------------------------------

What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 3:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


AnthonyT,

I'm not debating what was the CAUSE of WW2, but the fact remains, the world was stunned when it was found out what Hitler was doing. His speeches clearly didn't hide his intent, for those who actually listened to what he was saying.

Same goes w/ the radicals in Islam. They're telling us exactly what they're doing , why and how.

Again, for those who are listening.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 3:12 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Perhaps you and I hear different things when they talk.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 3:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Perhaps you and I hear different things when they talk.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner




Well, there's what they say, and then there is also what they DO! My point ? When you first heard there were multiple attacks by terrorist in Bombay , India, on Western hotels and places of interest, was there any hesitation in your mind who was behind it ? Seriously, was there any doubt that it wasn't radical Islamist ?



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 3:37 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

It's funny you should ask. When I first heard about the attacks in India, I wondered what sort of political turmoil had inspired them. The first details were sketchy, and I only knew that places had been invaded by gunmen and assaulted.

It was only when I heard that Westerners were being specifically targeted that I expected radical Islamist groups would be to blame.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 5:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I don't really think we'll know the 'whys' of this for a long time, if ever. I am assuming that the 'terrorists' are well trained, possibly military, possible secret service of another country. Too well planned, too much ammo for a terrorist cell, this has someone big behind it. Doesn't really smell of Al Quaeda either, but who knows.

Foreigners, Brits, Americans, Australians, other Europeans are targetted simply because the news coverage becomes more intense. If it were just 60 dead Indians at a railway station, it would be fleeting across the front page in most countries other than India.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, November 28, 2008 6:47 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I think that terrorists are absolutely capable of this kind of mayhem. It doesn't take a genius to plan an attack that results in the death of your entire force. As for ammo use or equipment, I've seen Bank Robberies in California that used nearly as much.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, November 29, 2008 3:25 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You seem under the mistaken impression that I believe our corporate fuckery excuses this shit.



Nope, I just wonder what evidence you have that corporate fuckery caused this shit - was the prime motive for the attacks.

I can see it being somewhere in the laundry list of justifications which are usually issued by the perps, down there with daring to educate women and shelving the Koran under other books in the library. But major reason? I've seen nothing to convince me.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Oh it wasn't the prime motive, Geeze, not for a moment do I believe it was, none of that shit ever is, to be honest.

But it was a handy excuse, and one we really should stop handing out if possible.

See, the folks sending these guys out to die after driving them into a rabid frenzy, do you really think they're all that different than any other politician who uses hate and fear to gain power ?

That's why I bust Rappy's chops so hard.

The guys behind this, they don't really *believe* that shit they're shovelling, no more than ole Rotten Limberger or Ann Clueless do, it's just manipulative rhetoric to get the ignorant clueless all riled up so you can aim them at your target, and that is ALL IT IS to them.

So while the "radical islamic" breed of these creeps goes on with a distorted version of Islam and uses "abuses of the west" and "corporate fuckery" to rile them up and then some kind of religious "them or us" rhetoric to send them out to die fighting those "murderous jews/christians"...

The "religious right" breed goes on about "terrorism" and "radical islam" with a distorted version of Christianity to rile theirs up and the "threat of islamic jihad" with a side order of the very self-same racism and intolerance in their own rhetoric to send fools on this end out to die fighting those "evil arab jihadis"...

And neither one of them gives a rats ass about the sodders they're sending out to die, and gives naught more than lip-service to whatever bullshit they're shovelling to manipulate people stupid and ignorant enough to fall for it.

And those who are, to me they've prettymuch surrendered any right to be treated as a rational human being because they volunteered to be the bullets of tyrannys guns, you see.

This is about power, and control, all the rest of this shit is just that, crap and excuses shovelled by folks who exploit people too stupid to see through their flimsy tissue of hypocrisy and lies.

And once you understand that, it becomes almost easy to shovel sand in the gears - witness just how *easily* I wound Rappy up here just by using "trigger" keywords he's practically programmed to jump to, and caused him to both blatantly misread my argument and get all foamy-angry at me for AGREEING with the idea that the folks behind this need to die.

Once you truly understand where all the gears, buttons and levers in the heads of these folks are, and what they do - it becomes simplicity itself to do your own level of manipulation provided one can see past their own prejudices to the core of the issue.

I've described in rather exacting detail to Jongstraw before how to accomplish exactly that, and given the proper resources and some cooperation from those handing out such easy excuses unknowing or uncaring, yes, I really *could* get their own people to rip them limb from limb.

Because I know *exactly* how the game works, how to play it, and how to stack the deck in my favor every time simply by pushing the right buttons of the drones.

And that's why I have so little respect for those tasked to handle these problems, who spend most of their time screwing their protectees instead, cause at the root of it, they're absolutely incompetent and every bit as blinded by their own stupid ignorance as the drones, making them utterly ineffective at their intended assignment if not directly counterproductive to it.

And the assholes both in the west, and the middle east, setting the clueless on each other ?

They don't wanna win, cause that would end the game, they *NEED* each other to rile folk up against and at the very heart of it, they're exactly the fucking same.

And if any of the clueless ever realized that, took my advice and refused to comply - they'd just be one more ineffective loudmouth in a world where such are a dime a dozen.

I don't blame them, I blame the morons who listen to them, and hand over their free will, their mind heart and soul, even their life itself, for no more purpose than to further some assholes agenda, which if they ever for a moment considered rationally, they'd hate just as bad as the "other guys".

Without those idiots, these guys are nothing.

And *that*, is why I bust Rappy's chops so damn hard about it - where would hitler have gotten to, if no one would listen to him ?

Prolly be some second rate, mediocre artist no one outside of the art world ever even heard of.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

The "religious right" breed goes on about "terrorism" and "radical islam" with a distorted version of Christianity to rile theirs up and the "threat of islamic jihad" with a side order of the very self-same racism and intolerance in their own rhetoric to send fools on this end out to die fighting those "evil arab jihadis"...




That only works for those who completely ignore what's been going on around the world, in France, Germany, Netherlands, just to name a few. Sorry, doesn't pass the 'sniff' test.

And as for all those 'religious righties ' you love to clamor on about, try telling Christopher Hitchens that he's one of the Falwell, Robertson fan club, and that's the only reason he's supporting Bush for seeing the Islamic fascist for who they really are.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I think that terrorists are absolutely capable of this kind of mayhem. It doesn't take a genius to plan an attack that results in the death of your entire force. As for ammo use or equipment, I've seen Bank Robberies in California that used nearly as much.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner


I didn't mean to imply that they weren't terrorists, but were something more than your average cell of fanatics that gets funded by whoever. There has been speculation that the gunmen are connected to the Pakistan secret service. Whatever, its too soon to find out the motives behind this sort of attack. Perhaps the truth will be illusive for some time.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:11 PM

FREMDFIRMA


I dunno, the way the supposed Pakistani ISI connection was pushed so hard long before any credible evidence could have possibly been obtained makes me suspicious.

Besides, having recently seen some intel-quality photos of some of the dead perps, I am unconvinced.

In fact, from the tactics to the standard of equipment this doesn't fit MAK, Al Qeada or the Mujihideen, and lookin at the stiffs my best guess would be the RSS, a pack of homebrewed ultra-nationalist assholes.

Also, waiting for confirmation, but some of those stiffs were apparently caucasian, I'd put em at UK, or at least european in origin, but I wanna make doubly sure someone didn't get confused and those are victims, not perps before I call that one.

If so, that does push it more likely this was RSS although such extremes are a bit of a departure from their normal operations, possibly an extremist sect - there's a couple telltales I am not yet willing to share which do favor that conclusion.

I guess we'll see - but I am unconvinced these jerks were muslim extremists till I actually see some evidence for it, and the evidence against it is somehow discredited.

My bet: Splinter group of RSS extremists.

Any takers ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, December 1, 2008 3:55 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
My bet: Splinter group of RSS extremists.


No, these folks are typical Pakistani radicals, probably with connections to both Al Queda and the Pakistani government, but not formally affiliated or endorsed by either.

This is not the first attempt Al Queda has made to start a war between Pakistan and India since 9/11. Remember the bombing of the Indian parliament right after 9/11.

H

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Trump sets his sights on New York
Fri, May 24, 2024 21:01 - 1 posts
Worst Mayors of All Time? Which is better gangsta' Mayor Eirc Adams or Mayor telepromoter Eric Adams?
Fri, May 24, 2024 20:51 - 19 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Fri, May 24, 2024 20:31 - 3763 posts
All things Space
Fri, May 24, 2024 16:59 - 186 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Fri, May 24, 2024 16:56 - 6539 posts
Is clownworld ending?...Today In Clown World
Fri, May 24, 2024 16:53 - 28 posts
Putin's Russia
Fri, May 24, 2024 16:36 - 40 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Fri, May 24, 2024 15:31 - 858 posts
Elections; 2024
Fri, May 24, 2024 14:58 - 2540 posts
Trump has spent months attacking ‘bird brain’ Nikki Haley. Now he’s mulling her for VP
Fri, May 24, 2024 14:56 - 12 posts
The predictions thread
Fri, May 24, 2024 14:52 - 1096 posts
Newsweek: Fani Willis Is an Embarrassment to Black People. She's the Proof That DEI Only Hurts Us
Fri, May 24, 2024 14:50 - 5 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL