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How Obama got elected

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Sheer and utter ignorance. A cross section of 12 Obama voters, and what they knew right AFTER they had voted for Obama.

watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/


And before you get your panties in a wad and say " these were cherry picked to make Obama supporters look bad, it could have been voters for any candidate " .....understand that this was done independently of the Zogby International poll

Survey finds most Obama voters remembered negative coverage of McCain/Palin statements but struggled to correctly answer questions about coverage associated with Obama/Biden http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How Obama got elected:

He got more votes in more states, and won more Electoral College votes (more than a 2-to-1 margin).

You have no case.



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Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:12 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/




site is registered to:

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ironical much?

Btw - these were cherry picked to make Obama supporters look bad, it could have been voters for any candidate.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:36 AM

SERGEANTX


HEH... funny.

I'd like to do something similar with the cretins who voted for Bush in 2004. Except it might be hard finding any who would admit it.

Honestly, he got elected just like all of 'em do. They got the money and the media behind em. What else is there?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


I'd like to do something similar with the cretins who voted for Bush in 2004. Except it might be hard finding any who would admit it.



Well, Rapo and Hero will readily admit it - although Hero swears that "intellegence" had little to do with it. Which is pretty obvious...

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:34 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, Rapo and Hero will readily admit it - although Hero swears that "intellegence" had little to do with it. Which is pretty obvious...


Yeah, that was such a good line...we were discussing prewar intellegence failures...but I had to write it.

To think all these years later it still brings a chuckle.

I voted for Bush. At the time I did I knew who was in his cabnet, who controlled Congress, who the major world players were. I knew lots of stuff, same as this year.

What voters knew or did not know now or then is not relevant. A voter can vote for the candidate of their choice for ANY reason, even bad ones or none at all. These reports, and the one from Zogby is really telling, are not truly critical of the voters. They represent a failure of both candidates, who failed to communicate their messages, and the media, who failed to accurately and fairly report the news.

But this is not a new story. Voter manipulation has always been a part of American politics. If you think its bad now...watch 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington', which was a commentary on their times that applies to ours as well.

H

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ignorant voting is partly the media's fault. Every cycle someone does an anlysis which shows most coverage as the "horse race" kind, then there is negative "personality- identity-voting" coverage, and issues are a distant third. Every election cycle peeps decry the coverage, but the next election we get the same old crap- again.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:07 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


I do sort'a wish Zogby had done a baseline of the same questions with all voters for comparison, although I'm afraid the results would have been just as discouraging as these. Almost - but not quite - makes going back to literacy tests for registration seem like a good idea.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Yeah, that was such a good line...we were discussing prewar intellegence failures...but I had to write it.

To think all these years later it still brings a chuckle.



Hero, you've been a remarkably good sport about it, I must say. I'll try my best to not bring it up again, ever, just because you've been decent about it and proven that you do indeed have a sense of humor, even when it's at your own expense. Any man who can laugh at his own mistakes can't be all bad.

And I apologize for mentioning it in this thread. It's old, it's over, and it's time for it to die.

Maybe there's hope for all this "working together" thing yet.

Mike

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
How Obama got elected:

He got more votes in more states, and won more Electoral College votes (more than a 2-to-1 margin).

You have no case.





Brilliant! You just backed up the case that Obama supporters are dim witted dolts who know only what they're told by the main stream media.

Well done!



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/




site is registered to:

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ironical much?

Btw - these were cherry picked to make Obama supporters look bad, it could have been voters for any candidate.



Here's your sign





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:29 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Here's yours:




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Silence is consent.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Is that George Clooney ?



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:40 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


No, it's you.

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Silence is consent.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:08 PM

SWISH


This "neutral" Zogby poll was actually done by a fella name of John Ziegler (JZ). Interview with him, regarding this poll, here:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-
zogby.html


Highlights: (Interviewer is Nate Silver [NS])

NS: Okay, that's what I kind of guessed. How many Obama supporters did you speak with in total?
JZ: All twelve we spoke with are in the video.

NS: Was there any significance to the fact that in the YouTube video, seven of the twelve Obama supporters were black?
JZ: [Laughs]. The reason why we had more black supporters – that might surprise some of the people that we spoke to -- if we go by your apparent ability to determine race -- the first location happened to be in a black section of town and we were able to get our interviews faster there because of they way that was set up, because of the logistics. We had a second location but it got dark and we didn't have any lights. So, that's it, it was no grand racial conspiracy.

NS: How did you represent yourself to John Zogby?
JZ: As private company, Death-of-Free-Speech-dot-inc which is the name of a book that I wrote.

NS: Did Zogby give you sign-off on the press release that he released on his website?
JZ: I'm not sure what you mean by sign-off. The press release I had input into, yes.

NS: Did you have financing for the project or was it paid for out of pocket?
JZ: It is not self-financed.

NS: Who paid for it?
JZ: You think I'm going to tell you that? When you've already shown yourself to be the enemy?

NS: Was it paid for by the RNC?
JZ: [Laughs]. In your world, the question that I would ask you is what question [in the survey] is there any ambiguity as to what the answer is?

NS: Well, that Obama 'launched his career' at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground --
JZ: That happens to be one of the questions that Obama supporters did the best on! They did better on that question than on any other Obama-related answers! And here you’re telling me that it’s not true?

NS: What do you mean by "launched his career"?
JZ: The first campaign as told by the person whose position he took in the State Senate, as told by her admission, his first campaign event was in the home of Bill Ayers and his wife. [Laughs] Unless you live in the Obama kool-aid world! That is astonishing to me that you would not accept that!

And in a later post ( http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/did-talk-radio-kill-conservatis
m.html
), Nate Silver refers to the bold sentence:

"This might be the key passage of my interview with John Ziegler on Tuesday, for it is, in a nutshell, why conservatives don't win elections anymore. It is not that conservatism generally permits less nuance than liberalism (in terms of political messaging, that is probably one of conservatism's strengths). Rather, the key lies in the second passage that I highlighted. There are a certain segment of conservatives who literally cannot believe that anybody would see the world differently than the way they do. They have not just forgotten how to persuade; they have forgotten about the necessity of persuasion."

Sound like anyone we know on this site?

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:15 PM

SWISH


I should have put this first. Nate Silver's first post about the survey:

The conservative website HowObamaGotElected.com reports that it has commissioned Zogby International to conduct a poll of 512 Barack Obama voters as part of what can best be described as a viral marketing effort to discredit the intelligence of Obama supporters.

The website, created by former radio talk show host John Ziegler to promote a forthcoming documentary, features a YouTube clip of interviews with 12 Obama voters who "were chosen for their apparent intelligence/verbal abilities and willingness to express their opinions to a large audience". The clip portrays the Obama supporters as giving "incorrect" answers to political questions such as "which candidate said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket". Of the 12 Obama supporters interviewed for the clip, 7 (58%) are black; nationwide, about 23% of Obama supporters were black according to the national exit poll.

Most of the questions on the survey take the form of a multiple choice political knowledge test, stating a "fact" to the respondent and asking them which of the four major candidates (Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin) the statement applies to. Questions include the following:

"Which of the four [candidates] said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?"

"Which of the four [candidates] started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground?"

"Which of the four [candidates] quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism?"

"Which of the four [candidates] won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot?"

As should be obvious, the veracity of several of these claims is -- at best -- debatable, yet they are apparently represented as factual to the respondent. It is not clear whether the respondent is informed of the "correct" response after having had the question posed to him.

To my mind, this survey meets the definition of a "push poll", which the Random House Dictionary defines as "a seemingly unbiased telephone survey that is actually conducted by supporters of a particular candidate and disseminates negative information about an opponent."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/zogby-engages-in-apparent-push-
polling.html

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:16 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/




site is registered to:

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ironical much?

Btw - these were cherry picked to make Obama supporters look bad, it could have been voters for any candidate.



Here's your sign





Knowing how much you worship stupid...



I will take that as high praise.



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Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
No, it's you.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.




That's silly, and makes no sense, what so ever.

And it looks like George Clooney, if it looks like anyone.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Bush is smarter than Kerry OR Gore, so make fun of him all you want, he's still the best choice we had.


ouch, now MY head hurts.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Obama supporters are dim witted dolts who know only what they're told by the main stream media.



So it's your contention that the majority of the American voters are dimwitted dolts? That WOULD explain 8 years of Bush quite handily...

Thanks for proving that you're in that majority!

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Bush is smarter than Kerry OR Gore...



Cites, or is this just more of your usual "facts"?

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:


Bush is smarter than Kerry OR Gore...



Cites, or is this just more of your usual "facts"?



Old news, no need for cites. Been there, done that.. Don't buy it ? Go do your own google work. I'm too busy to revisit that ancient history.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:01 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Best estimates I've been able to find place Bush's IQ at 124, Kerry at 122, and Gore at 134.

http://www.sq.4mg.com/Presidents.htm

Obama IQ estimates vary, from 130-165, according to various websites that assert it with certainty but with dubious credentials.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Obama supporters are dim witted dolts who know only what they're told by the main stream media.



So it's your contention that the majority of the American voters are dimwitted dolts? That WOULD explain 8 years of Bush quite handily...

Thanks for proving that you're in that majority!



No, the Press wasn't pushing for W nearly has hard as they were for Obama.

Far more favorable stories about Obama than McCain, far more TIME cover pics of Obama over McCain, the list goes on and on.....not even a debatable issue.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, November 21, 2008 12:35 AM

KHYRON


Swish, thanks for posting Nate's interview with Ziegler. Not surprisingly, it's been ignored by the intended audience.

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What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?

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Friday, November 21, 2008 2:21 AM

SWISH


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Swish, thanks for posting Nate's interview with Ziegler. Nor surprisingly, it's been ignored by the intended audience.

Yeah - shocker!

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Friday, November 21, 2008 10:27 AM

KHYRON


http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/zogbys-misleading-poll-of-obama-voters
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/

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What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?

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Friday, November 21, 2008 10:35 AM

STORYMARK


Lets all take a moment to pity poor Rap.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, November 21, 2008 10:42 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
How Obama got elected:
He got more votes in more states, and won more Electoral College votes.

You have no case.



Reminds me of how Gore lost an election in 2000.

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

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Friday, November 21, 2008 11:31 AM

STORYMARK


Lets all just remember what Rap said:

"The people have spoken. Isn't that enough?"

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, November 21, 2008 11:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bush is smarter than Kerry OR Gore, so make fun of him all you want, he's still the best choice we had.


ouch, now MY head hurts.





See? Ya gotta stop thinking stupid thoughts- there IS a physical reaction to it at times.

isall

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Friday, November 21, 2008 11:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Far more favorable stories about Obama than McCain, far more TIME cover pics of Obama over McCain, the list goes on and on.....not even a debatable issue.


If that's true, and I think it is, that would be because they wanted to promote the better candidate...bottom line, he was the better, more likable fellow, and that sells mags & gets ratings over a loser.

Salt-in-woundisall

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Friday, November 21, 2008 11:53 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"If that's true, and I think it is, that would be because they wanted to promote the better candidate...bottom line, he was the better, more likable fellow, and that sells mags & gets ratings over a loser."


Or...maybe the ones who control the media :coughjewscough: wanted him in power for their own reasons. It was definatly a giant propaganda promotion going for Obama.

:coughtheylearnedtheimportanceofpropogandafromthenaziscough:

Darn this cold....

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Friday, November 21, 2008 11:59 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Or...maybe the ones who control the media :coughjewscough: wanted him in power for their own reasons. It was definatly a giant propaganda promotion going for Obama.

:coughtheylearnedtheimportanceofpropogandafromthenaziscough:


I AM SO ENJOYING THIS, HA HA HA HA!!!
YOU'RE DESPERATION IS SHOWING.....all of you!!

HA HA I'M LOVIN' IT! (tm)



Chrisisall

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Friday, November 21, 2008 12:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's weird, because before the election, one of our beloved right-wingers basically guaranteed Florida for McCain, citing that the Jews are big-time conservatives. It didn't make sense to me then, and it still doesn't...

And Wulf, if all of the media were so in the tank for Obama, what does that say about the right's beloved "fair and balanced" (more like fairly unbalanced) Faux News?

Or do they not hire any Jews over there?

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Friday, November 21, 2008 1:11 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"If that's true, and I think it is, that would be because they wanted to promote the better candidate...bottom line, he was the better, more likable fellow, and that sells mags & gets ratings over a loser."


Or...maybe the ones who control the media :coughjewscough: wanted him in power for their own reasons. It was definatly a giant propaganda promotion going for Obama.

:coughtheylearnedtheimportanceofpropogandafromthenaziscough:

Darn this cold....



Once again - doing a GREAT job at convicning us you're not a bigot, Wulfie.

You guys just can't stand that you lost, can ya?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, November 21, 2008 4:46 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I'm rather appalled at that statement, Wulf.

But if it matters to you, Mccain got a higher rating with the Jewish community in regards to how likely he was to benefit Israel.

Though racist views don't really need disproving, that would seem to be another log on the fire.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/




site is registered to:

Registrant:
The Death of Free Speech, Inc.

ironical much?



Not literate much? Try something called reading. This type of activity might eventually include a concept called books. Once you have progressed to the point that you can read the BOOK The Death of Free Speech, let us know you have caught up with the times.

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Monday, November 24, 2008 4:28 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/




site is registered to:

Registrant:
The Death of Free Speech, Inc.

ironical much?



Not literate much? Try something called reading. This type of activity might eventually include a concept called books. Once you have progressed to the point that you can read the BOOK The Death of Free Speech, let us know you have caught up with the times.



So there's a book out there that any one can read at any time and it's about how Free Speech is dead? And you don't find that even slightly ironic? This obvious manipulation of free speech being authored by someone that says free speech is dead - again, you don't find that ironic at all?

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Monday, November 24, 2008 4:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sheer and utter ignorance. A cross section of 12 Obama voters, and what they knew right AFTER they had voted for Obama.

watch video to believe :

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/


And before you get your panties in a wad and say " these were cherry picked to make Obama supporters look bad, it could have been voters for any candidate " .....understand that this was done independently of the Zogby International poll

Survey finds most Obama voters remembered negative coverage of McCain/Palin statements but struggled to correctly answer questions about coverage associated with Obama/Biden http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642





It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



No different than anybody who voted for Bush because he was going to reform Social Security or make a Constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriages in my eyes.....

See a pattern developing here?

EDITED TO ADD:

I've seen Forrest Gump shake JFK's hand and that was over a decade ago. Just like I give everything else 50/50 that I see in the news I give these people 50/50 that any one or all of them are or are not actors.

That being said, I do believe either way that this video is an excellent portrayal of your average American voter on either side of the fence. The truth is, you could make the Republicans look just as dumb in a video using very similar tactics. In the converse, you could make the supporters of either party look absolutely brillant in comparison depending on which questions were asked.

Bottom line is, I truly believe that this is exactly how Obama won the election. I feel the need to tell everyone that I would be equally convinced that a scenario just as easy to manipulate had tipped the scales the other way had McCain supporters won, I would be thinking the exact same thing about that majority.

If I were to vote like this, since the biggest thing that's bothering me in my life now because my lost money isn't really of immediate consequesnce to me, I would simply vote for the guy who said that he wouldn't persecute smokers anymore by allowing full-statewide bans on smoking in bars and by raising the taxes every 6 months.

Honestly, somebody who told me that would have a very convincing stance in my eyes....... But what secrets does he/she have? How have they voted for other similar measures, and how have they voted on other very different issues? How often do they show up to vote? Is there a pattern to the votes they happened to miss or make? Who are his primary campaign contributors, and are they mostly corporations, lobbyists, or the people themselves? Are they honest about who gave them the money and did they do everything in their power to make sure that foreign interests or fraud wasn't involved in their contributions? Did they really just pick that lady to be their running mate because pulling the Femme card was the only remaining ace up the GOP's sleeve in such a controvercial election? Did they do it not to win today, but to win in 4 years when Obama didn't fix things and maybe we should give the Woman a go?

Hell... I already feel that way about the two presidential elections that I've been old enough to participate in. I've never made it a secret that I was a Bush supporter both times when I was younger and (I believe) dumber. (It's all archived, and you can even see how some people attaced me right afterwards for admitting so if you're bored) Of course, that's not to say that I would have ever in my wildest dreams to vote for his competitors, knowing what I know now though.

Truth be told though, if forced today, with all of the decisions that I've been faced with in the last three elections(only considering both of the heads of the monster), I would probably vote for Al Gore if a ticket were handed to me with all of their names.

Maybe I'm just being manipulated though. I always give that possibility 50/50.

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Monday, November 24, 2008 6:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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The truth is, you could make the Republicans look just as dumb...


Shit, you can make the Republican CANDIDATES look that fucking dumb, and you don't even have to edit the video. Just ask McCain whether he supports health insurance paying for birth control pills for women the same way he supports them paying for Viagra for men. Or ask Palin what magazines and newspapers she reads, or even to name JUST ONE of McCain's "mavericky reformist" policy pushes.

So 'Rappy's point is that some voters are no brighter than his chosen leaders?

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Monday, November 24, 2008 6:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

The truth is, you could make the Republicans look just as dumb...


Shit, you can make the Republican CANDIDATES look that fucking dumb, and you don't even have to edit the video. Just ask McCain whether he supports health insurance paying for birth control pills for women the same way he supports them paying for Viagra for men. Or ask Palin what magazines and newspapers she reads, or even to name JUST ONE of McCain's "mavericky reformist" policy pushes.



That's all a matter of opinion, and I'd honestly have to research those stances to even have a chance of believing they are true, let alone relevant, given the much larger fish to fry at this juncture.

Quote:

So 'Rappy's point is that some voters are no brighter than his chosen leaders?



I don't know about his point, but I'm sure of that, and that's a totally bi-partisan thing, regardless of what you really believe.

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Monday, November 24, 2008 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

So 'Rappy's point is that some voters are no brighter than his chosen leaders?


No brighter than YOUR chosen leaders

Barack " 57 States" Obama ??

Joe "I mean, you got the first sorta mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" Biden ??




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

So 'Rappy's point is that some voters are no brighter than his chosen leaders?


No brighter than YOUR chosen leaders

Barack " 57 States" Obama ??

Joe "I mean, you got the first sorta mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" Biden ??




It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



No, I mean YOUR leaders, John "My Fellow Prisoners" McCain and Sarah "I Can See Russia From Here, Don'tcha Know" Palin.

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Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
No, I mean YOUR leaders, John "My Fellow Prisoners" McCain and Sarah "I Can See Russia From Here, Don'tcha Know" Palin.



That's actually a Tina Fey quote if we're trying to keep it real here....

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Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


No, I mean YOUR leaders, John "My Fellow Prisoners" McCain and Sarah "I Can See Russia From Here, Don'tcha Know" Palin.



McCain was a prisoner, so I fail to see how that's worthy of being mocked or ridiculed.

Gov. Palin never said that, it was Tina Fey, DOING an impression of her.

My quotes were actual quotes, while yours were just sad attempts at humor, as far as I can tell.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:04 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Actually, McCain DID address a group at a rally as "my fellow prisoners".

And Palin DID say that part of her foreign policy experience was because she could see Russia from parts of Alaska.

Kwicko didn't make those up - those things were actually said by those candidates. You can call them "gaffes" or mis-speaks all you want, but they were said by the people claimed. And if you call those gaffes, wouldn't you have to call the Obama and Biden quotes gaffes as well? Or does it not work that way for Democrats?

The REAL reason Obama got elected is that he won more votes than McCain. pid. :)

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