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Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:01 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:17 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:54 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:21 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:11 AM
Quote:Sorry Sig, but your argument is weak. To compare US foreign policy of 50 year ago to what's going on TODAY, with the radical Islamic militants is intentional ignorance on your part, and a lame diversionary gimmick.
Quote:I frankly don't give a damn how worked up you are about Vietnam. It's irrelevant to the issues we're facing today.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:15 AM
Quote:Church bells, once a week, signalling a call to mass ? Or a call to prayer, 5 x's a day, every day ?
Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:38 AM
WISHIMAY
Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:39 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And getting back to my original point... which would you rather have. Church bells, once a week, signalling a call to mass ? Or a call to prayer, 5 x's a day, every day ? Given a free choice to ignore one, or a knife to the neck to submit and obey to the other, I'll take the former, thank you very much.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:05 PM
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:57 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:34 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:39 PM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:46 PM
Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:26 PM
Quote:When Christians start acting like Islamic radicals, then call me. ...No ignorance at all on my point, you're just not making your case. The result of the Iraq war is a totally separate issue, not remotely comparable to the threat of radical Islam.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Actually having holidayed in a predominantly Muslim country, the call to prayer by the muezzin is really quite splendid. And like church bells, also splendid, especially in parts of Europe, I enjoyed and walked on, unmoved to prayer.
Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:57 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:44 PM
BYTEMITE
Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:56 PM
Monday, January 16, 2012 4:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:When Christians start acting like Islamic radicals, then call me. ...No ignorance at all on my point, you're just not making your case. The result of the Iraq war is a totally separate issue, not remotely comparable to the threat of radical Islam. God, is YOUR brain wrapped in a towel? If it's not a Islamist threat, it's not an issue?
Quote: Yeah, so there are murderers and terrorists over there killing peeps. Yanno what? THAT INCLUDES US. I see not one jot of difference between them and us, except we have more firepower. So if you would stop feeling so self-congratulatory for a few nanoseconds, you might actually come to a solution to your fears. Because that's ALL that's driving you: fear. And you've got no reason to be in such a pissy panic.
Monday, January 16, 2012 5:08 AM
Quote:Uhgh, you can keep 'em... My gran lived near a church that went off every 15 damnded minutes until a few years ago, I could not take a nap or sit outside and have a conversation with those things around. YOU may have been unmoved, but they made me nuts! Subtle intimidation, says I. You wanna ring them IN your church, be my guest...Outside is my earspace, too. Not to mention legally I'm not allowed to make massive noise, why should they get to??
Monday, January 16, 2012 6:22 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:18 AM
Quote:It's not an issue I which should be obfuscated and diluted with nonsensical crap like Blackwater or Vietnam. The issue of Islamic radicalism is very real, and shouldn't be glossed over by lumping it in with other, irrelevant issues.
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:35 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:A nice slide show of lots of bastards from all the major religions in the world, and a rating system like one star=minor bastard, two stars and so on
Quote:This is exactly what's wrong with the world, and you can quote me, this absolutism, this one side versus the other. Crazy Islamists and Crazy Christians are both bad. Why even have this discussion? We have real problems that we need to work on.
Quote:I'd also like to add that this country was founded on something called Religious Freedom, correct?
Quote:This is typical of people on the left, freak out because someone is praying, oh no what will we do?!!!! I get soooooooooo tired of this kind of whinging.
Quote:sometimes athletes pray more like, "Please keep me from letting my teammates down... let me play up to my abilities..." it is as PeaceKeeper said, more like self-hypnosis and a way of dealing with FEAR.
Quote:“If you have Jesus Christ in your heart, you are going to spend eternity in heaven. If you don’t, you’re going to spend eternity in hell.” http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/12/08/tim-tebow-and-faiths-place-in-football/#ixzz1jejzI8mA of story.
Monday, January 16, 2012 1:33 PM
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Monday, January 16, 2012 3:11 PM
Monday, January 16, 2012 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: This is exactly what's wrong with the world, and you can quote me, this absolutism, this one side versus the other. Crazy Islamists and Crazy Christians are both bad. Why even have this discussion? We have real problems that we need to work on.
Monday, January 16, 2012 3:19 PM
Monday, January 16, 2012 4:28 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: It's not an issue I which should be obfuscated and diluted with nonsensical crap like Blackwater or Vietnam. The issue of Islamic radicalism is very real, and shouldn't be glossed over by lumping it in with other, irrelevant issues.
Monday, January 16, 2012 5:39 PM
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Uber religionism CAN be extremely bad, but that's not the issue. Not today, not in our world. Pity you can't see things as they are, and instead simply want to play the 'even-steven' game, and paint everybody equally good, or bad, and if we'd all just hold hands ( and ignore the facts ) , then everything would be all shiny and bright!
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:59 AM
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:07 AM
Quote:Was it thank you ? Hell no, it was " You're next! " . Many just laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief. But ya know what ? They MEANT it.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: We went into Bosnia and Herzegovina because we had interests in establishing military bases there.
Quote: Peacekeeping just doesn't pay the bills. We go in somewhere, it's not out of the goodness of our hearts, its because there's an advantage.
Quote: Quote:Was it thank you ? Hell no, it was " You're next! " . Many just laughed, and shook their heads in disbelief. But ya know what ? They MEANT it. And why wouldn't they? They knew as much as we did we were only using them to get at the soviets and secure an oil pipeline, which failed, utterly. Considering the absolute debacle we made of the national boundaries and the leadership we put in charge in the fifty years prior, they had every reason to dislike us. Of course, they carry some blame themselves for being unable to construct any kind of national identity when they're mixed in with other religious sects, but we did put them in that situation in the first place due to sheer ignorance of the tribal lines.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'm not all that concerned about our global image.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Peacekeeping just doesn't pay the bills. We go in somewhere, it's not out of the goodness of our hearts, its because there's an advantage.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:53 AM
Quote: And all this was before 9/11, which, contrary to what you may want to believe, was NOT 'brought upon ourselves'. That right there is the biggest problem, the willingness of so many to want to blame the victim here
Quote:Sadly, it may take another 9/11 for some folks to wake the hell up
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'm not all that concerned about our global image. How Barry White of you. Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:56 AM
Quote:I was unaware that Clinton was such a war monger, willing to expand the reach of the US military, at the objections of the GOP. ( who traditionally get accused of being in the pocket of the military industrial complex ) Military bases may have been the natural consequence of that military action, but the sole purpose ?
Quote:Military bases may have been the natural consequence of that military action, but the sole purpose ?
Quote:that's how you treat those who help you out ?
Quote:I think you're confusing Afghanistan w/ Iraq , and boundaries .
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Quote:that's how you treat those who help you out ? We were helping them? I thought the high death toll and the throwing them against the soviets was a fairly obvious indication otherwise.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:07 AM
Quote:And Sig... blah blah blah.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:12 AM
Quote:Umm... we threw them at the Soviets ? Who invaded whom, again? Our choices were a) Help them, like we did , or b ) do absolutely nothing, and allow the Soviets to plow them into the ground, and establish yet 1 more satellite nation , that much closer to the oil fields and warm water ports of the Gulf. , or c ) direct military conflict w/ the Soviet Union, and starting WW3. Seems to me you wanted b or c, but not a ?
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:13 AM
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:25 AM
Quote:and wanted to see that oppression expand even further ?
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