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Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:03 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:48 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:26 AM
DREAMTROVE
Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Now they all had the least possible- the government mandated minimum guarantee." Please note that this is not a result of failure of the idea - it is a result of a very large and powerful country nearby making a concerted effort to grind a small poor and powerless country down for business reasons. It is official US policy. That is a vital part of the narrative you left out. One can only speculate how things would have been different without that 50-year effort by the US, which continues to this day. Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? Yeah, me neither....
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Perhaps he should get a girlfriend. That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:43 AM
BYTEMITE
Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The Soviet Union was strong enough and far enough away from the U.S. that no such embargo could be enforced. It's likely that the Soviets did do better than Cuba because of this, and the GDP was higher in 1989 than the US, and the USSR had more laborers put to work than the US. Yet because of corruption that happened among local party planner liaisons, often goods and services were in short supply. Only the rich members of the inner party could be said to live comfortably and securely, using the GNP of the Union for imports, an arms race, and to fund other cultural revolutions. Eventually a secondary underground economy began to take form due to the average citizen having difficulty securing goods needed to make ends met, and the economy was decentralized in 1965 out of necessity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Soviet_economic_reform A similar problem can be found in China. This is not to say that capitalism is good or planned or socialized economies are all bad - the idea was invented with good intentions. The problem comes in with giving only certain individuals the power to determine the course of that economy. (Which of course is a problem that exists in capitalism as well)
Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:07 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:40 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: I may not have read this closely enough because I was not expecting what appears to me to be an immigrant success story. I was expecting to see something that explained to me your obsession with Freedom, and specifically how it seems to be threatened almost daily. "My grandparents retired, eventually. They owned their home free and clear. They owned their car free and clear. There were two fruit trees in the back yard, but they were there for pleasure, not survival. My grandfather had a quarter of a million dollars in the bank when he retired, invested in rotating certificates of deposit." It ends "worse" for a lot of people, especially given from where your very resourceful grandfather started from. Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com
Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Well, it certainly explains why Tony is so interested in protecting the wealthy.
Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:58 AM
Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Freedom is threatened daily. The only thing that changes from person to person is how you react to it, and how much you let it worry you. For some people, it is a faraway concern that will sort itself out. For others, the threat feels like a personal presence. The shadow of yesterday threatening your current life.
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MAGONSDAUGHTER
Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:39 AM
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Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: That is what I have heard. A very interesting culture from all accounts. Sounds like the great socialist revolution was a disappointment to your family, Anthony. I can see why you have your opinions on collectivism. Do you think there is room for something imbetween all state own/no property and all individual ownership?
Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:38 PM
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RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:13 PM
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RIGHTEOUS9
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