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"Russia Plans To Enforce Anti-Gay Law For Athletes, Fans During Olympics"
Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:31 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: Russia will enforce a new law cracking down on gay rights activism when it hosts international athletes and fans during the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, the country’s sports minister said Thursday, appearing to contradict assurances to the contrary from the International Olympic Committee. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/russia-plans-to-enforce-anti-gay-law-for-athletes-fans-during-olympics.php?ref=fpb
Quote:“An athlete of nontraditional sexual orientation isn’t banned from coming to Sochi,” Vitaly Mutko said in an interview with R-Sport, the sports newswire of state news agency RIA Novosti. “But if he goes out into the streets and starts to propagandize, then of course he will be held accountable.” Mutko emphasized that the law wasn’t designed to punish anyone for being gay or lesbian. But like the Russian lawmakers who authored the bill, Mutko said athletes would be punished only for propaganda, a word that remains ambiguous under the new law. “The corresponding law doesn’t forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
Quote:The IOC said last week that it had received assurances “from the highest level of government in Russia that the legislation will not affect those attending or taking part in the games.” It pledged to ensure there would be no discrimination against athletes, officials, spectators and the media in Sochi.
Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:45 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:51 PM
Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Wow, I guess I just got "educated"! When was Russia anyone's "utopia"? Can anyone give me historical perspective on that, I've lived 65 years and I never noticed that. Was it ever "utopia" to anyone here? And they run their government "quite well"? Where does... Oh, wait, it's Rap. Silly me. What world DOES he live in??
Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:08 PM
Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:17 PM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: There you go, that's Rap's "reality". Explains a lot.
Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:26 PM
Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:32 PM
Friday, August 2, 2013 4:23 AM
Friday, August 2, 2013 5:14 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yeah, Brenda; what you said. Rap knows full well it wasn't a question there's never been a "Left's love affair w/ Soviet Russia", and nobody's ever considered Russia "utopia". He's just using it as an excuse.
Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:19 AM
Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: "the Left wing utopia..." equals "Lincoln Steffens and a lot of Progressives in the period just after the Russian Revolution..." Make a note, Byte, since you're tracking such things, of the next time they complain about someone saying "right wing..." does/says anything. At least the other case, it wasn't MY words, and it wasn't "THE Right wing..." Since you're keeping track. And that's it for me and this threadjack, unless someone's interested in actually discussing the actual topic.
Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:45 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I was wondering how laws get passed in Russia nowadays. Don't they have an elected parliament or something? So what's with all the Putin-bashing? And if these laws were already on the books when Russia was selected, what nimrod chose the locale? (I'm looking at you IOC.)
Quote:To further explore these ideas - what if there's a gay wedded foreign Olympic couple who comes to the Olympics in a US state that doesn't recognize gay marriage? If one gets ill does the other get next-of-kin rights? Will the US Feds and the IOC FORCE that state to NOT enforce their laws? What if a foreign Olympic contestant gets raped and ends up in a Catholic hospital ER - will the US Feds and the IOC FORCE that hospital to NOT enforce their laws and dispense emergency contraception? How many backwards local, state, and federal laws will the US Feds and the IOC FORCE into NON-enforcement? I don't expect I'll get an answer. Just pointing out that the US isn't the shining example of human rights we claim we are.
Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:44 PM
Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Sorry, Niki, but you said, "...and nobody's ever considered Russia "utopia"." Just pointing out that some people in the U.S. had. "When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
Sunday, August 4, 2013 6:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Sorry, Niki, but you said, "...and nobody's ever considered Russia "utopia"." Just pointing out that some people in the U.S. had. That's SOP for Niki and the Left, Geeze. Claim NO ONE considers , then after you offer up an example, they'll come back and claim no one ELSE , or some such. I've been down this road a few times w/ them. Giving them the example they ask for isn't enough. Nor is giving another and another and another. If it counters their view of the world, it can't be true. End of discussion.
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Sorry, Niki, but you said, "...and nobody's ever considered Russia "utopia"." Just pointing out that some people in the U.S. had.
Sunday, August 4, 2013 6:22 AM
Quote:As evidence of "rape mentality"... Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM Originally posted by AURaptor: The term applies.
Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: And now 1KIKI apparently thinks that the Russians have a nice, free and fair, democracy, so there's another person who, even if not claiming 'Utopia' thinks everything is fine there.
Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:43 AM
Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:46 AM
Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I snarked. And I don't see that anything has YET proven Russia was ever considered "utopia", and certainly not by "the Left", even if Geezer wants to keep playing the game and look up individual instances when someone has considered it such. Nonetheless, Geezer's ability to nit-pick over minutiae and focus on it while steadfastly avoiding the issue at hand is also duly noted.
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