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Satellites Show Sea Ice in Arctic Is at a Record Low

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:54 PM

AURAPTOR

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Moronic alarmist nonsense.




Top pic " 1979 ", no month given.

Gee, why's that ?

Because the polar ice cap goes from a maximum to a minimum, over the course of a year. The difference is quite drastic, visually.

Reasons for the recent ice cap minimum? * Ocean currents and a polar cyclone system, which aided in breaking up already thin ice.


* http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-seaicemax-2013.html

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You clearly failed to read the article. The salient facts were given in the first paragraphs. Perhaps you can read the article and address what it says. Or you can continue to prove the point about you and the right-wing chorus in general that I made in another thread:

The failure of the right wing to read
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Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:46 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Moronic alarmist nonsense.




Top pic " 1979 ", no month given.

Gee, why's that ?

Because the polar ice cap goes from a maximum to a minimum, over the course of a year. The difference is quite drastic, visually.

Reasons for the recent ice cap minimum? * Ocean currents and a polar cyclone system, which aided in breaking up already thin ice.



Funny how you know all about Earth's polar ice cap cycles, but were unable to explain what's happened to 7-11's snow cones in recent times. Perhaps you also know what's going on with our neighbor Mars. The ice caps seem to come and go as if by magic. Did Solyndra go bankrupt there too?



Or do I need to e-mail Al.Gore@AlJazeera.net/dirtyoilcapitalist to get the answer?

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:45 PM

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Quote:

You clearly failed to read the article. The salient facts were given in the first paragraphs.



So, '79 photo taken in the winter max, where as the other is late summer minimum.

Got it.

Thanks for playing.



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And neither of you has addressed the article.

I was really hoping you'd surprise me, and come back with something relevant and cogent. Perhaps that's too much to expect of you and your kind.



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:21 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And neither of you has addressed the article.

I was really hoping you'd surprise me, and come back with something relevant and cogent. Perhaps that's too much to expect of you and your kind.



Ross Perot ? Is that you ?

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Three posts AND STILL EVADING ADDRESSING THE ARTICLE.

Quelle surprise.



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Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:17 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Three posts AND STILL EVADING ADDRESSING THE ARTICLE.

Quelle surprise.



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According to Rappy, that's supposed to be some kind of proof that he's intellectually dishonest and a coward.


I know - I'll alert the media.



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Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:27 PM

SIGNYM

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It's a LIE! All of those satellite pictures and measurements are published just to fool people! Don't accept pictures as truth... the greater reality is that there is NO round earth! Er... I mean global warming!

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Monday, May 13, 2013 2:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

I was really hoping you'd surprise me, and come back with something relevant and cogent.

You were, of course, joking...?

Try this one on for size:
Quote:

In Sign of Warming, 1,600 Years of Ice in Andes Melted in 25 Years

Glacial ice in the Peruvian Andes that took at least 1,600 years to form has melted in just 25 years, scientists reported Thursday, the latest indication that the recent spike in global temperatures has thrown the natural world out of balance.

The evidence comes from a remarkable find at the margins of the Quelccaya ice cap in Peru, the world’s largest tropical ice sheet. Rapid melting there in the modern era is uncovering plants that were locked in a deep freeze when the glacier advanced many thousands of years ago.

Dating of those plants, using a radioactive form of carbon in the plant tissues that decays at a known rate, has given scientists an unusually precise method of determining the history of the ice sheet’s margins. Much more at http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/world/americas/1600-years-of-ice-in-
perus-andes-melted-in-25-years-scientists-say.html?_r=0#h
[]


There's a neat little "slider photo" at the link where you can see the exact same photograph at the two different times, and slide a bar across it to see the difference.

How about that one? (I know, silly me...)


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Monday, May 13, 2013 4:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


We realize you didn't like the pictures, but maybe words...
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The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000. A comprehensive satellite study confirms that the melting ice caps are raising sea levels at an accelerating rate.

The polar regions are important drivers of the world's climate. When the "everlasting ice" melts at an increasing rate, the rest of the world is affected. Global sea levels are rising, dark meltwater pools absorb warmth from the sun which white ice would reflect back into space. Fresh water flows into the sea, changing ocean currents and the living conditions for marine organisms.

For 20 years satellites have been monitoring earth's biggest ice shields on Greenland and in the Antarctic, using different technologies from radar to gravity measurements. In the past, the uncoordinated publication of individual one-off measurements led to confusion, especially with regard to the state of the Antarctic ice. A new study, supported by NASA and European Space Agency ESA combines the data from different satellite missions.

"It's the first time all the people who have estimated changes in the size of the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets using satellites over the past 20 years have got together to produce a single result," Andrew Shepherd from the University of Leeds in the UK explained in an interview with DW.

Satellite monitoring ends confusion

"Thanks to the accuracy of our data set, we are now able to say with confidence that Antarctica has lost ice for the whole of the past 20 years. In addition to the relative proportions of ice that have been lost in the northern and southern hemispheres, we can also see there's been a definitive acceleration of ice loss in last 20 years. So together Antarctica and Greenland are now contributing three times as much ice to sea levels as they were 20 years ago," says the Professor of Earth Observation.

According to the study, melting ice from both poles has been responsible for a fifth of the global rise in sea levels since 1992, 11 millimeters in all. The rest was caused by the thermal expansion of the warming ocean, the melting of mountain glaciers, small Arctic ice caps and groundwater mining. The share of the polar ice melt, however, is rising.

Two thirds of the ice loss is happening in Greenland. "The rate of ice loss from Greenland has increased almost five-fold since the mid-1990s", says Erik Ivins, who coordinated the project for NASA.

Although the Greenland ice sheet is only about one tenth the size of Antarctica, today it is contributing twice as much ice to sea levels, according to Shepherd: "It's certainly the larger player, probably just because it is at a more equatorial latitude, further from the North pole than Antarctica from the South pole." The ice on Greenland is also melting on the surface, because of increasing air temperatures.
http://www.dw.de/polar-ice-sheets-melting-faster-than-ever/a-16432199]
There are no dates on this one, but it's GREENLAND, where the ice doesn't recede like it does at the poles:

"Satellite photos track ice loss, as shown in these images of Greenland"

I, of course, have no expectations you deniers will read any of this, even if just the highlighted portions. You'd rather pick apart a couple of photographs, notice it's been cold this Winter, and stick your heads back in the sand. Your right to do so, just don't expect us to have any respect for your intelligence when you do.


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Monday, May 13, 2013 5:38 AM

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Wrong yet again, Kwickie. My very first post specifically dealt with the issue at hand.



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Monday, May 13, 2013 6:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And yet, failed to address the actual article. four, and counting.

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Monday, May 13, 2013 6:40 AM

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Global Cooling will reduce ice in the sea, since the ice stays on land.

We had frost today in Tennessee.


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Monday, May 13, 2013 7:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Which he won't, as you fully well know. Nor will he address ANYTHING I put up with facts, figures, data, cites, etc. He found a loophole and he'll run with it until he runs out of breath.

The article with which you started this thread, Kiki, was from last August. Here are updated facts:
Quote:

During the cold and dark of Arctic winter, sea ice refreezes and achieves its maximum extent, usually in late February or early March. This year the annual maximum extent was reached on Feb. 28 and it was the fifth lowest sea ice winter extent in the past 35 years.

The new maximum —5.82 million square miles (15.09 million square kilometers)— is in line with a continuing trend in declining winter Arctic sea ice extent: nine of the ten smallest recorded maximums have occurred during the last decade. The 2013 winter extent is 144,402 square miles (374,000 square kilometers) below the average annual maximum extent for the last three decades. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-seaicemax-2013.html]

There's a nice little graphic at

showing the minimum volume reached every September since 1979 that should clear it all up. No comparing September to any other month, it's September to September every year. Since 1979, the volume of Summer Arctic sea ice has declined by more than 80%. The original data, graphs and much more detail can be found at http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-i
ce-volume-anomaly/


So I dare Rap or anyone else to refute THAT data, and stop playing around with "Oh, that was Summer, this is Winter". Of course, he will go right on ignoring this, and the other material I put up, and stick to his point...it's a shame that article started this thread, because it's a minor point which ignores the much more GIGANTIC reality.

Omigawd, I didn't scroll fast enough for my eyes to miss "Global Cooling will reduce ice in the sea, since the ice stays on land." ?????? How insane IS PN, anyway??


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Monday, May 13, 2013 7:22 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And yet, failed to address the actual article. four, and counting.



Actually you're 0 for 4 in your bogus claims. I'm not blindly buying into the articles slanted narrative, but I absolutely DID comment on the evidence from The link.

You not liking what I say doesn't grant you cover to claim I'm not addressing the article.


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Monday, May 13, 2013 7:33 AM

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Monday, May 13, 2013 8:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


To make it blindingly clear why everyone considers rappy to be a sub-moron. (With apologies to morons everywhere), the article said
Quote:

Satellites tracking the extent of the sea ice found over the weekend that it covered about 1.58 million square miles, or less than 30 percent of the Arctic Ocean’s surface, scientists said. That is only slightly below the previous record low, set in 2007, but with weeks still to go in the summer melting season, it is clear that the record will be beaten by a wide margin.
Ice extent and loss is measured from summer to summer; that is how it's always been measured and compared, and also what the article said. Rappy's response?

Quote:

Because the polar ice cap goes from a maximum to a minimum, over the course of a year. The difference is quite drastic, visually.
EPIC FAIL. Clearly, has not read or addressed the article.

Then he went on to say
Quote:

Reasons for the recent ice cap minimum? * Ocean currents and a polar cyclone system, which aided in breaking up already thin ice.
Well, no shit, Sherlock. What he failed to address is why the ice is thin already... thinner, in fact, than it's been in human history. (And no, I don't mean recorded history, I mean- since the dawn of homo sapiens.)

But why are we wasting our time on such a piece of human go se as rappy? Aside from the fact that he makes a tragic example of how human processing can go horribly and dysfunctionally awry ... and also an interesting test case in how it might be corrected (HINT: reasonable discussion and reference to facts don't work... but we know that already)... what's the point? Either chuck him into the same dust-bin as PN, or use him as a source of amusement, or come up with a new approach. Because repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, is it not?

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Monday, May 13, 2013 1:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


five, and counting

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Monday, May 13, 2013 1:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Because repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, is it not?"

I'm not expecting anything different. I like making fun of him for his blindingly obvious mental poop he smears all over himself. It would bother me if he changed. What would I do for that kind of fun without his idiocy?

And it's so easy to wind him up. Just watch ...

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:48 PM

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Friday, March 25, 2022 11:01 PM

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Once of my main criticism of this whole Energy thing was it gave money to islamo jihads but now it supports a Ruskie invasion.


Someone explain why China is investing in Fusion Tech but most of the West ignores this science?


Buy Russian gas cos climate changes can smoke dem Ruskies out make 'em get warmer? Keep the bombs droppin' for Oil and turn up the heat on them cold Russians?


Satellite data shows entire Conger ice shelf has collapsed in Antarctica
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/25/satellite-data-shows-ent
ire-conger-ice-shelf-has-collapsed-in-antarctica

The Conger ice shelf, which had an approximate surface area of 1,200 sq km, collapsed around 15 March, scientists said on Friday.
East Antarctica saw unusually high temperatures last week, with Concordia station hitting a record temperature of -11.8C on 18 March, more than 40C warmer than seasonal norms. The record temperatures were the result of an atmospheric river that trapped heat over the continent.

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Saturday, March 26, 2022 3:40 AM

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Oh noes!

The melting ice caps already raised sea levels 2 millimeters in only 25 years.

Now they might raise another millimeter, or half of a millimeter.

Australia will submerge, like in Waterworld.
Islands will capsize, like Hank Johnson (D-GA-4) explained. Do I really, really need to include the "D" there, or was it already obvious enough?


If Antarctica is going to have the newest Oceanfront property, why isn't Vlad invading there by now?

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Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:47 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Oh noes!

The melting ice caps already raised sea levels 2 millimeters in only 25 years.

Now they might raise another millimeter, or half of a millimeter.

Australia will submerge, like in Waterworld.
Islands will capsize, like Hank Johnson (D-GA-4) explained. Do I really, really need to include the "D" there, or was it already obvious enough?


If Antarctica is going to have the newest Oceanfront property, why isn't Vlad invading there by now?

Many of us might believe we won't be directly impacted by the breakup of trillions of tons of ice due to global heating. We figure that unless we live on a small island in the Pacific, or have a house on the beach, it's not our problem.

That's a 28 trillion ton net loss of ice between 1994 and 2017.

OK, that sounds like a lot — but so what?

It's the domino effect. With temperatures rising twice as fast in the Arctic — the world's air conditioner — than anywhere else on the planet, the heat is not just melting ice. It's also weakening atmospheric air currents known as the jet stream. In other words, more bad news for the weather.

The polar vortexes that have been freezing Europe and North America in recent years are related to a weakened polar jet stream.

Some researchers reckon oceans will definitely rise by at least 2 meters by the end of the century. That's enough to swamp the several hundred million people living below 5 meters above sea level. Another 350 million or so living higher up would have to relocate to escape regular coastal flooding.

Glaciers also feed the rivers that irrigate the crops which hundreds of millions of people across Asia, South America and Europe depend on for their survival. So without them, many people will suffer from both thirst and hunger. Scientists say almost 2 billion people are at risk of water scarcity. The European Alps that supply so much fresh water across the region have shrunk by about half since 1900 and will be almost ice free by century's end if nothing more is done to curb warming.

The future remains uncertain. But it's likely that if melting isn't slowed real soon, disaster movie scenarios might not look so ridiculous to future generations.

More at https://www.dw.com/en/melting-ice-whats-the-big-deal/a-56872079

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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