Quote:

---

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Alwhacky once voted Republican when he lived in New Mexico, so it was more than ok to kill him.

---

Quote:

---

Any questions ?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Killer drones are now free to be openly gay, so all of us are in terrible danger now from Obama's assassination trigger finger. The long-dreaded slippery slope has arrived!

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Umm, yeah. But the Left would lambaste Bush for damn near anything, just because. This ? They're actually applauding.

And just to be clear, alWhacky took up a call to arms against his home country, so I don't see why treason isn't being used more often. Traitors are often put to death, or use to be.

But yeah, for an administration that wanted to close Gitmo, hold the 9/11 trials in civilian courts, in Manhattan, so yeah, this seems a bit strange. Had Bush done this, to an American citizen, there'd be all sorts of marches, protests, cries of Islamo-phobia, racism, etc... but because Obama does it...

crickets.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by kpo:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Killer drones are now free to be openly gay, so all of us are in terrible danger now from Obama's assassination trigger finger. The long-dreaded slippery slope has arrived!

---

Lol, are these gay drones bad shots, or vengeful?

It's not personal. It's just war.

---

Quote:

---

Bad guys like alWhacky need to be dead.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Umm, yeah. But the Left would lambaste Bush for damn near anything, just because. This ? They're actually applauding.

And just to be clear, alWhacky took up a call to arms against his home country, so I don't see why treason isn't being used more often. Traitors are often put to death, or use to be.

But yeah, for an administration that wanted to close Gitmo, hold the 9/11 trials in civilian courts, in Manhattan, so yeah, this seems a bit strange. Had Bush done this, to an American citizen, there'd be all sorts of marches, protests, cries of Islamo-phobia, racism, etc... but because Obama does it...

crickets.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Awlaki was not a good guy, but I have some serious issues with putting a U.S. citizen on a "hit list" on nothing more than someone's say-so.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by RionaEire:
If he's a citizen then technically they needed to give him a trial like any other citizen. Even if he is Lani incarnate and trash. Rules is rules. Apparently they thought they'd circumnavigate the rules? I guess I don't know much about the situation but it sounds fishy to me because of the whole citizen's rights thing. Whether the guy deserved to be droned isn't the point.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by RionaEire:
If he's a citizen then technically they needed to give him a trial like any other citizen. Even if he is Lani incarnate and trash. Rules is rules. Apparently they thought they'd circumnavigate the rules? I guess I don't know much about the situation but it sounds fishy to me because of the whole citizen's rights thing. Whether the guy deserved to be droned isn't the point.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

---

This from the folks who told us that the war on terror could be fought in our judicial system.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:


"I got no problem w/ drones being sent to do this guy in."

Torture? Great! Assassination of US citizens? Wonderful! Bombing civilians? Awesome! Illegal wiretaps? Marvelous!

Little Rappy, defender of freedom.


Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Umm, yeah. But the Left would lambaste Bush for damn near anything, just because. This ? They're actually applauding.

And just to be clear, alWhacky took up a call to arms against his home country, so I don't see why treason isn't being used more often. Traitors are often put to death, or use to be.

But yeah, for an administration that wanted to close Gitmo, hold the 9/11 trials in civilian courts, in Manhattan, so yeah, this seems a bit strange. Had Bush done this, to an American citizen, there'd be all sorts of marches, protests, cries of Islamo-phobia, racism, etc... but because Obama does it...

crickets.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

---

Y'all must be listening to a different "the Left" than I am. Rachel Maddow voiced some legitimate concerns on Friday's show, including the idea that there should be an investigation into the legitimacy of doing such a thing, and it was noted that supposedly this is allowed in the authorization of force measure that allowed the U.S. to illegally and arbitrarily invade Iraq.

I'm still trying to find in the Constitution where it says it's fine to assassinate U.S. citizens without any charges, without any evidence presented, without any trial, and without any direct involvement in capital crimes.

Awlaki was not a good guy, but I have some serious issues with putting a U.S. citizen on a "hit list" on nothing more than someone's say-so.

I've heard quite a bit of questioning of this from "the Left". I'd suggest you quit letting "the Right" tell you what "the Left" is saying, and try listening in on your own, or reading up on it yourself.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And as usual, your last 2 posts in this thread were void of any relevance or intelligent input, at all.

And as for Maddow.... seriously. No one listens to that guy.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:
I'm wondering how this is so much different from the killing of Isoroku Yamamoto during WWII.

Although al-Awlaki was an American citizen, he was also an important enemy combatant, and seemingly a fair target on the battlefield.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This was ordered?

Torturing suspects isn't due process. It's illegal. Armed predator drones are pure idiocy. When Obama said he was going to do this, I didn't imagine that the biggest idiot would be the one giving the orders. I assumed this would happen by mistake.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Rap,

I'm actually not disagreeing with you, except I think that W was a total disaster, and not very popular, and probably fed the growth of islamic terrorism.

---

Quote:

---

As for Bush, I don't buy his al-qaeda busting creds any more than I buy Obama's Osama story. These are fantasies, fiction, sold to television networks. Big govt. is pushing its own agenda, and the president is just a front man for the band who does a song and dance.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Rap,

I'm actually not disagreeing with you, except I think that W was a total disaster, and not very popular, and probably fed the growth of islamic terrorism.

---

It grew under Clinton, as we tried to 'police' it , and we saw how well that worked out.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Niki2:

You don't suppose Raptor just ASSUMED the left had no complaints, do you? Nah, he wouldn't do such a thing...

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Hero:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:
I'm wondering how this is so much different from the killing of Isoroku Yamamoto during WWII.

Although al-Awlaki was an American citizen, he was also an important enemy combatant, and seemingly a fair target on the battlefield.

---

Both of your points offer clear distinctions. Admiral Yamamoto was not a US citizen and al-Awlaki was not on a battlefield when he was executed. I would also note Yamamoto was flying on a military aircraft (which was a legitimate target with or without Yamamoto) in a war zone and the US was in a state of declared war (al-Awaki was in a neutral country having lunch).

In short Mr. al-Awlaki was denied his right to life without due process, a clear violation of his 14th Amendment rights. They claim he was a terrorist leader and all the evidence points to that fact, but to my knowledge no charges were ever brought and no indictments or warrants served on him. He was under all of our laws an innocent man because he had never been proven guilty. He was also denied an opportunity to defend himself in trial.

Many compare this to a cop shooting a bank robber or sniper shooting a hostage taker. These are not good comparisons because a cop cannot shoot a bank robber unless that person is endangering the cop or another person and is in that act of using or about to use lethal force. Force example, a cop cannot shoot someone who is trying to tickle another person to death using a feather, they can shoot someone who is shooting or preparing to shoot the cop or another person with a gun.

By all accounts these folks had stopped for lunch, nobody's life was in danger at that moment (unless the food was bad...it is Yemen).

I have no doubt the world is better off with this man dead. I think strategically his capture and interrogation would have been a better result. His execution without trial is a seperate question and one with a troubling answer...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

---

Quote:

---

Just so we're clear - waterboarding foreign born terrorists, bad.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by kpo:

Quote:

---

Any questions ?

---

Is your point that the Left would've lambasted Bush for doing this?

It's not personal. It's just war.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Predator drone execution of US citizen, with out due process of law, good.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1191817633001/predator-drones-take-out-al-a
wlaki/


Any questions ?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Predator drone execution of US citizen, with out due process of law, good.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1191817633001/predator-drones-take-out-al-a
wlaki/


Any questions ?

---

There is a huge difference in killing an enemy on the field of battle, and torturing him once his is a captive.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by kpo:

Quote:

---

Any questions ?

---

Is your point that the Left would've lambasted Bush for doing this?

It's not personal. It's just war.

---

If it makes Obama happy, it is right

we obey Obama!!!!!

Bush = Bad

Obama = Good

It's totally cool with me that we started a new Middle Eastern war under the new regime and never pulled any of our previous troops out, even though that was the big promise beforehand.

It had to be done.

Commander and Chief....

Make It So!


(Disclaimer: I am a mindless Obamabot)

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

BTW... I love my General Discussion Peeps. If you feel a strong need to judge me on RWED discussions I've had in the General Discussion, I welcome it, but I also say that they are two different worlds......

And while my core never wavers and though I may say things you don't like in the RWED, I'd never say them in General Discussions and I hope you would do the same.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by kpo:

Quote:

---

Any questions ?

---

Is your point that the Left would've lambasted Bush for doing this?

It's not personal. It's just war.

---

If it makes Obama happy, it is right

we obey Obama!!!!!

Bush = Bad

Obama = Good

It's totally cool with me that we started a new Middle Eastern war under the new regime and never pulled any of our previous troops out, even though that was the big promise beforehand.

It had to be done.

Commander and Chief....

Make It So!


(Disclaimer: I am a mindless Obamabot)

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

BTW... I love my General Discussion Peeps. If you feel a strong need to judge me on RWED discussions I've had in the General Discussion, I welcome it, but I also say that they are two different worlds......

And while my core never wavers and though I may say things you don't like in the RWED, I'd never say them in General Discussions and I hope you would do the same.

---

Well, at least you were honest about being mindless...


You may have missed it, but most of the people bitching about Obama doing this are lefties. "Obamabots", as you call them. The right seems VERY cool with this kind of behavior, because it's what they've always wanted - the ability to simply have anyone who disagrees with them killed.

Also, you may have missed it, but I wasn't exactly cool with getting us involved in Libya, either. Funny thing is, conservatives insisted Obama should do it - right up until he actually did it, of course. Go figure. Hypocrisy - it's just one of the "values" conservatives cherish.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Define "the field of battle".

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Define "the field of battle".

---

Any area where there is an ongoing conflict.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Actually, it grew a great deal under Reagan, when he supplied and trained groups like the Taliban and called them "freedom fighters". He tried a military solution in Beirut, and got a whole bunch of Marines killed in the process, before cutting and running.

And then it (literally) EXPLODED under Dubya, to heights Osama himself could never have imagined.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Make no mistake of who the villains are here. Islamic radicals. The issue is, what should be done about them.

---