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Looking good SIX. That light switch you showed you can find them up here all over the place but mostly in newer buildings.

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Oh, really? They're probably in newer buildings here too then. I know that under-the-cabinet lighting has become the new thing, so I wouldn't be surprised to see this type of stuff built into the new houses.

My solution is going to be quite a bit different. The one benefit those switches have is that they'd be under the cabinets in the hollow space where you wouldn't normally see them. There's nowhere I can put my switch that will be hidden. So I've just bought a plastic junction box that I'll need to screw a hole into the back side for the electric that I'll be sticking out of the wall for it. Even found me a nice white metal cover, unopened, that has the wide rectangle opening for a paddle switch. I'll paint both the box and the cover. I'm not going to paint the paddle switch.

You're only going to have about a 1" clearance for your fingers on that switch when it's done. The paddle will end up very close to the wall. So not exactly hidden, but I figure if I paint it the same lighter grey as the walls that it should blend in nicely and not look so much like a part of the cabinet as it would if I painted it the darker grey that I used on the cabinets.

This is all going to work. I just need to do it now is all.

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Oh... were you just talking about the paddle switches themselves, Brenda?

I thought you meant the whole $60 aluminum enclosure that I wasn't going to pay that much for.




Oh yeah... I LOVE those paddle switches. I even have two that still glow faintly orange in the dark with a little LED they've got in there for the master bedroom and the bathroom switches. Installed them way over 10 years ago and nice to see they still light up like that.

I even spring the extra money for the "screwless" plates. They're two parts. The part underneath is where you screw the screws into the outlet, and then the other piece is just flat and snaps in over the switch. Then I also make sure all my plug outlets are the big single rounded rectangles instead of two separate circles, so they all fit in the same plates and they all look the same.


We had paddles in my grandma and grandpa's trailer at one of those Yogi Bear parks when I was a kid, and I'd never seen them anywhere else back then.

Not every switch in my house is a paddle switch. Just the rooms I've finished. Eventually they all will be.



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Did you ever take care of your photos, Brenda?

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I'm so used to a taller seat, when I have to use a standard seat I can't believe how much farther down it is! I start to think "Well, surely I'm about to touch down" and find I've got another 3" to go.

My knees... they hate it!

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You shouldn't worry about having screwed up your book. The only thing you could have done to it is delete it, but that would have to be a very unfortunate random sequents of button presses to get that to happen.

And even if it did, you've got a backup.


Let me know if you need any help.

I think I just finally finished moving my millions and millions of files around today.



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I'm so used to a taller seat, when I have to use a standard seat I can't believe how much farther down it is! I start to think "Well, surely I'm about to touch down" and find I've got another 3" to go.

My knees... they hate it!

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How tall is yours then? You've got the 20" tall boy? Or just the 17" that is considered the minimum standard for the health standard? If it's 20", you must love that, huh?

I've never pooped on my old man's toilet since he did the remodel, but I don't have any memory of it being large like my grandma's. 17" from 15"is only a 2" difference. I can't imagine that's going to be what I'm looking for. 20" and I'll barely have to lean back and I'm already in it.


Unfortunately, this means that the days of me being able to have Robert Reich over for dinner will be no more unless I also invest in a step-stool.



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I'm so used to a taller seat, when I have to use a standard seat I can't believe how much farther down it is! I start to think "Well, surely I'm about to touch down" and find I've got another 3" to go.

My knees... they hate it!

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How tall is yours then? You've got the 20" tall boy? Or just the 17" that is considered the minimum standard for the health standard? If it's 20", you must love that, huh?

I've never pooped on my old man's toilet since he did the remodel, but I don't have any memory of it being large like my grandma's. 17" from 15"is only a 2" difference. I can't imagine that's going to be what I'm looking for. 20" and I'll barely have to lean back and I'm already in it.


Unfortunately, this means that the days of me being able to have Robert Reich over for dinner will be no more unless I also invest in a step-stool.



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I had to go measure. At the time, these were primo low flow ADA compliant at 17". They're still ADA compliant, minimally, since that's 17-19".

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I love it when a plan comes together.

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Tentatively, at least.

Won't really know until I figure out if I really want to go with a 20" tall bowl.

But check this out (open in new tab for full screen if you can't read it here).





Do you think I could go a little higher than just under 6.5 feet for the door knobs? (If I have to guess, it's 74" or just two inches shy of 6.5 feet for the knobs in that picture).

Since I'll still have 8" clearance up top, I figure if I could move everything up even a little more that I could probably fit any regular sized 24"-25" hand towel or just have more than 2" of clearance above the top of the tank using the finger tip towels.

What do you both think, considering your own ability to reach for things? Is over 6.5 feet too high?



ETA: Oh right... The depth of the cabinet matters when asking that question. Both the shelf and the cabinet are just about 6" deep. Nothing protruding too far from the wall so it's not like you'll be burying things on that top shelf that you can't ever reach without standing on the toilet seat.


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For me, I don't think I would be able to reach the cabinet with a possible a stool or on my very tippy toes. Towel would be easy for me.

Also you really don't want to stand on the closed lid of a toilet. My ex-landlady at the crappy place called someone because she was hearing sounds. Idiot stood on the closed lid and broke it. They left and I had to clean up their mess. So think about that one.

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I'm so used to a taller seat, when I have to use a standard seat I can't believe how much farther down it is! I start to think "Well, surely I'm about to touch down" and find I've got another 3" to go.

My knees... they hate it!

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How tall is yours then? You've got the 20" tall boy? Or just the 17" that is considered the minimum standard for the health standard? If it's 20", you must love that, huh?

I've never pooped on my old man's toilet since he did the remodel, but I don't have any memory of it being large like my grandma's. 17" from 15"is only a 2" difference. I can't imagine that's going to be what I'm looking for. 20" and I'll barely have to lean back and I'm already in it.


Unfortunately, this means that the days of me being able to have Robert Reich over for dinner will be no more unless I also invest in a step-stool.



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I had to go measure. At the time, these were primo low flow ADA compliant at 17". They're still ADA compliant, minimally, since that's 17-19".

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See? That's what I mean. My dad thought his was as tall as my grandma's too, but I know hers was taller than 17". It might not have been 20" like the one I'm looking at, but it was probably on the higher end of that ADA minimum requirement.

That two inches alone though must really seal the deal though, because I'm sure that this 15 incher is by far the shortest one I've ever sat on, and I've had some really crappy apartments in my time.

The one I'm looking at is termed "Extra Tall", if that helps.

And yes... I did just finally find the real specs for it, and the top of the tank is indeed 33.75".


I won't be wasting any space on that wall.




I just hope maybe I'm not overdoing it with 20. I should probably stack some books or something on it and sit down and see what the action would be like 5" higher.

2 or 3" sounds trivial, but if 2" already makes that huge a difference, another 3 might make me wish I went shorter. There's probably a reason why everyone doesn't have a 20 inch bowl on their toilets. It's twice the price of what I could by another small one at Costco for, but at the same store it's really only like $30 more than a 17" model with comparable specs.

If everybody's putting in 17" bowls just to save $30 on a one time purchase, they might really be screwing themselves over.

But maybe I'd better check to see that my legs won't be dangling off of a seat on top of a 20" bowl.


I think I would hate a toilet that felt like a barstool more than the one that's designed for Warwick Davis.

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Good question. There is such a thing as "too tall". Most of our kitchen chairs are 18".

Don't forget that when you add a seat to the toilet you're adding another inch.

Check your kitchen chairs. If they're comfy for you then subtract an inch and maybe that's the height you want.

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For me, I don't think I would be able to reach the cabinet with a possible a stool or on my very tippy toes. Towel would be easy for me.

Also you really don't want to stand on the closed lid of a toilet. My ex-landlady at the crappy place called someone because she was hearing sounds. Idiot stood on the closed lid and broke it. They left and I had to clean up their mess. So think about that one.

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You don't think you'd be able to reach it even with a stool, or you would need a stool to reach it? I didn't exactly understand your meaning there, Brenda.

I think you probably could reach it. Kitchen Cabinets are hung only 2" lower than the diagram. But I was asking about making it higher than the diagram by at least 2", so maybe not.

Yeah... I was kinda joking about standing on the toilet seat. I had to stand with one foot on my toilet seat quite often, especially as I was painting the window frame. Then cutting in the ceiling over the toilet I needed to fully stand on the toilet seat.

I've got a very cheap toilet seat on there and I really had to be careful how and where I stepped on it and I couldn't move my feet much once I got on there.

If I didn't already know I was replacing the toilet, I may have tried to figure out another way to do it. I might have removed the toilet seat completely and put something on the bowl that was solid that I could stand on without any problems or something.



Would you be able to at least reach the door knobs to open them if they were 74" high?


My thinking is that the storage space is pretty limited in the bathroom, and that the wife is going to end up with the bulk of the medicine cabinet, and the husband is going to be the one reaching and using the toilet cabinet.


Before me, at least two families lived here. The people who lived here before the ones that stopped paying the mortgage was really big too. Somehow they managed without that cabinet at all.

Except for the lower nook where I'll be able to plug in my beard trimmer, I probably won't even use it. Maybe I'll put some toilet paper rolls up there, but that's about it. I guess I could put the hair dryer up there in case I ever grow my hair out again, but really... that could just go in the attic or something because even if I was to start growing out my hair now, I wouldn't even need it for another year or more.

I already have those 3 drawers in the vanity that were overstuffed with crap I don't need or never use, which I said I was going to make decisions about what actually goes back in there when I'm done.

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