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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 8:14 AM

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Google records a global total of five news stories about a scientific paper published last week, showing that the chances of simultaneous crop losses in the world’s major growing regions, caused by climate breakdown, appear to have been dangerously underestimated. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38906-7

In the media, celebrity gossip is thousands of times more important than existential risk.

The new paper explores the impacts on crop production when meanders in the jet stream (Rossby waves) become stuck. Stuck patterns cause extreme weather. To put it crudely, if you live in the northern hemisphere and a kink in the jet stream (the band of strong winds a few miles above the Earth’s surface at mid-latitudes) is stuck to the south of you, your weather is likely to be cold and wet. If it’s stuck to the north of you, you’re likely to suffer escalating heat and drought.

In both cases, the stuck weather, exacerbated by global heating, affects crops. With certain meander patterns, several of the northern hemisphere’s major growing regions – such as western North America, Europe, India and east Asia – could be exposed to extreme weather at the same time, hammering their harvests. We rely for our subsistence on global smoothing: if there’s a bad harvest in one region, it’s likely to be counteracted by good harvests elsewhere. Even small crop losses occurring simultaneously present what the paper calls “systemic risk”.

More at https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/15/food-systems-col
lapse-plutocrats-life-on-earth-climate-breakdown

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Thursday, July 20, 2023 7:22 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


July is world's hottest month, with spikes not seen in 125,000 years

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/world-heat-wave-records-us-europe-chi
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Friday, July 21, 2023 6:32 AM

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(Never forget that for Republicans, Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax https://rollcall.com/2023/07/11/republicans-take-aim-at-climate-funds-
in-spending-bills/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-republicans-propose-ambiti
ous-reforestation-plan-in-response-to-climate-change )

Tipping points: Climate collapse could happen fast

As temperature and weather records fall, Earth may be nearing so-called tipping points.

Lois Parshley writes:

Ever since some of the earliest projections of climate change were made back in the 1970s, they have been remarkably accurate at predicting the rate at which global temperatures would rise. For decades, climate change has proceeded at roughly the expected pace, says David Armstrong McKay, a climate scientist at the University of Exeter, in England. Its impacts, however, are accelerating — sometimes far faster than expected.

For a while, the consequences weren’t easily seen. They certainly are today. The Southwest is sweltering under a heat dome. Vermont saw a deluge of rain, its second 100-year storm in roughly than a decade. Early July brought the hottest day globally since records began — a milestone surpassed again the following day. “For a long time, we were within the range of normal. And now we’re really not,” Allegra LeGrande, a physical-research scientist at Columbia University, told me. “And it has happened fast enough that people have a memory of it happening.”

In fact, a growing number of climate scientists now believe we may be careening toward so-called tipping points, where incremental steps along the same trajectory could push Earth’s systems into abrupt or irreversible change — leading to transformations that cannot be stopped even if emissions were suddenly halted. “The Earth may have left a ‘safe’ climate state beyond 1°C global warming,” Armstrong McKay and his co-authors concluded in Science last fall. If these thresholds are passed, some of global warming’s effects — like the thaw of permafrost or the loss of the world’s coral reefs—are likely to happen more quickly than expected. On the whole, however, the implications of blowing past these tipping points remain among climate change’s most consequential unknowns: We don’t really know when or how fast things will fall apart.

Some natural systems, if upended, could herald a restructuring of the world. Take the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica: It’s about the size of Florida, with a protruding ice shelf that impedes the glacier’s flow into the ocean. Although the ice shelf’s overall melt is slower than originally predicted, warm water is now eating away at it from below, causing deep cracks. At a certain point, that melt may progress enough to become self-sustaining, which would guarantee the glacier’s eventual collapse. How that plays out will help determine how much sea levels will rise—and thus the future of millions of people.

The fate of the Thwaites Glacier could be independent of other tipping points, such as those affecting mountain-glacier loss in South America, or the West African monsoon. But some tipping points will interact, worsening one another’s effects. When melt from Greenland’s glaciers enters the ocean, for example, it alters an important system of currents called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation. The AMOC is like a conveyor belt, drawing warm water from the tropics north. The water’s salinity increases as it evaporates, which, among other factors, makes it sink and return south along the ocean floor. As more glacial fresh water enters the system, that conveyor belt will weaken. Right now it’s the feeblest it’s been in more than 1,000 years.

A shutdown of that ocean current could dramatically alter phenomena as varied as global weather patterns and crop yields. Messing with complex systems is chilling precisely because there are so many levers: If the temperature of the sea surface changes, precipitation over the Amazon might too, contributing to its deforestation, which in turn has been linked to snowfall on the Tibetan plateau. We may not even realize when we start passing points of no return—or if we already have. “It’s kind of like stepping into a minefield,” Armstrong McKay said. “We don’t want to find out where these things are by triggering them.”

One grim paper that came out last year, titled “Climate End Game,” mapped out some of the potential catastrophes that could follow a “tipping cascade,” and considered the possibility that “a sudden shift in climate could trigger systems failures that unravel societies across the globe.” Chris Field, the director of the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment and a contributor to several IPCC reports, warned that “at some point, the impacts of the climate crisis may become so severe that we lose the ability to work together to deliver solutions.”

James Hansen, one of the early voices on climate, says that measures to mitigate the crisis may now, ironically, be contributing to it. He published a working paper this spring suggesting that a reduction in sulfate aerosol particles—or the air pollution associated with burning coal and the global shipping industry—has contributed to warmer temperatures. That’s because these particles cause water droplets to multiply, which brightens clouds and reflects solar heat away from the planet’s surface. Though the paper has not been peer-reviewed, Hansen predicts that environmentally minded policies to reduce these pollutants will likely cause temperatures to rise by 2 degrees Celsius by 2050.

Even before the climate gets to that point, we may face a dramatic uptick in climate-related disasters, says William Ripple, a distinguished professor of ecology at Oregon State University and the lead author of a recent commentary on the “risky feedback loops” connecting climate-driven systems. There’s a sense of awe—in the original meaning of inspiring terror or dread—at witnessing such sweeping changes play out across the landscape. “Many scientists knew these things would happen, but we’re taken aback by the severity of the major changes we’re seeing,” Ripple said. Armstrong McKay likened the challenge of being a climate scientist in 2023 to that faced by medical professionals: “You put a certain emotional distance between you and the work in order to do the work effectively,” he said, “that can be difficult to maintain.”

Although it may be too late to avert some changes, others could still be staved off by limiting emissions. LeGrande said she worries that talking about tipping points may encourage people to think that any further action now is futile. In fact, the opposite is true, Ripple said. “Scientifically, everything we do to avoid even a tenth of a degree of temperature increase makes a huge difference.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20230720233021/https://www.theatlantic.com
/science/archive/2023/07/climate-change-tipping-points/674778/

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Friday, July 21, 2023 6:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


so, quick! throw money at SECOND'S money-making schemes so he can save the world!
/snicker

*****

like with the first three waves of covid, it's not that i doubt the problem, it's the 'solutions' that i question. getting rid of gas stoves and air conditioners, and pushing evs??? wtf?? doesn't biden* have anything more effective to suggest?

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 7:04 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
so, quick! throw money at SECOND'S money-making schemes so he can save the world!
/snicker

*****

like with the first three waves of covid, it's not that i doubt the problem, it's the 'solutions' that i question. getting rid of gas stoves and air conditioners, and pushing evs??? wtf?? doesn't biden* have anything more effective to suggest?
The only solution Signym suggested more than once was to plant a trillion trees. If all anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions ceased tomorrow, the half-lives of greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere, together with climate change-driven gas emissions from melting permafrost and methane clathrates ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate ) doom us to decades more of warming. The only ways to avert this are (1) carbon capture to actively remove gases from the air and/or (2) geoengineering on a planetary scale.

It has been suggested that we plant more trees since trees can sequester carbon from the atmosphere. The problems with that idea are:

• the consequences of global warming are coastal flooding, desertification and loss of fresh water; where would all those trees go?

• the world’s remaining forests are already being lost to agriculture, and that will only accelerate as arable land is lost to coastal flooding and desertification.

https://angrybearblog.com/2023/07/carbon-capture-and-geoengineering

The GOP's new approach on climate was apparent in 2021. McCarthy and other GOP lawmakers, led by Arkansas Rep. Bruce Westerman, backed a bill to incentivize growing timber forests in the U.S. as part of a worldwide effort to plant 1 trillion trees. Westerman said he expects a similar proposal to advance this year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/house-republicans-propose-
planting-trillion-trees-rcna94836

In stark contrast to the GOP approach of planting trees and more drilling for fossil fuels, Biden has set an ambitious U.S. goal of achieving a carbon pollution-free power sector by 2035 and net zero emissions economy by no later than 2050. There are hundreds of billions of dollars backing that goal, at least until the GOP gets the votes to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/2
0/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-catalyze-global-climate-action-through-the-major-economies-forum-on-energy-and-climate/

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 8:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
so, quick! throw money at SECOND'S money-making schemes so he can save the world!
/snicker

*****

like with the first three waves of covid, it's not that i doubt the problem, it's the 'solutions' that i question. getting rid of gas stoves and air conditioners, and pushing evs??? wtf?? doesn't biden* have anything more effective to suggest?

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The only solution Signym suggested more than once was to plant a trillion trees. If all anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions ceased tomorrow, the half-lives of greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere, together with climate change-driven gas emissions from melting permafrost and methane clathrates ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate ) doom us to decades more of warming. The only ways to avert this are (1) carbon capture to actively remove gases from the air and/or (2) geoengineering on a planetary scale.

It has been suggested that we plant more trees since trees can sequester carbon from the atmosphere. The problems with that idea are:

• the consequences of global warming are coastal flooding, desertification and loss of fresh water; where would all those trees go?
you muat really have something against trees! were you attacked by a tree, as a child?
actually, if you look at climate projections, while SOME areas are anticipated to get less rainfall, more areas are anticipated to have MORE rainfall. think about it a moment, SECOND, and it will come to you how this happens


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• the world’s remaining forests are already being lost to agriculture, and that will only accelerate as arable land is lost to coastal flooding and desertification.
arable land generally is NOT near a coast but in large areas of 'plains'. the higher latitudes in canada and siberia are predicted to warm, opeining them up to agriculture

unlike you. i actually looked maps of climate projections. the current climate bands move northwards.as do the jet streams

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The GOP's new approach on climate was apparent in 2021. McCarthy and other GOP lawmakers, led by Arkansas Rep. Bruce Westerman, backed a bill to incentivize growing timber forests in the U.S. as part of a worldwide effort to plant 1 trillion trees. Westerman said he expects a similar proposal to advance this year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/scquptscience/environment/house-republicans-pr
opose-planting-trillion-trees-rcna94836
like i said, you must have something against trees.

i don't know what the gop plan says. but planting trees is just ONE part of a larger effort, which includes REDUCING THE DOD'S GREENOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. something both 'establishment' wings of both parties oppose * also, better forestry practices, better agrcultural practices that increase carbon soil, solar in the sunshine states, etc

* this imho is the divding lne between those who are SERIOUS about climate change and those who are just poseurs (pretenders with a purpose). look at germany's 'green' party (which btw used to be antiwar until it was infiltrated): they're all 'green' until it comes to war in ukraine, then not at all.

the gop grew an anti-establishment wing b4 the dems. rfk jr represents the anti-establishment wing of the dems. let them fight it out.

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blah blah blah ... and more partisan politics


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Tuesday, July 25, 2023 7:26 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
. . .
The GOP's trillion tree project requires land that, at this moment, has no trees but will be planted with trees. How much land? About the size of the USA. Where is that land? If you could find the land, somewhere maybe in Antarctica or Greenland once the ice melts, you have to make sure forest fires don't put the CO2 back into the air.

Trump Administration Furthers Commitment to One Trillion Trees Initiative
10/13/2020
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/trump-administration-furthers-commit
ment-one-trillion-trees-initiative

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Wednesday, July 26, 2023 2:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And the Dem's 'plan'? Getting rid of gas stoves? Forcing everyone into EVs?
It's all bullshit, and proves that neither party establishment wants to do anything about climate change.
How about serious proposals from either party?

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Wednesday, July 26, 2023 8:09 AM

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And the Dem's 'plan'? Getting rid of gas stoves? Forcing everyone into EVs?
It's all bullshit, and proves that neither party establishment wants to do anything about climate change.
How about serious proposals from either party?
What? You told a bitter joke that I have heard Trump-voting Texas oilmen tell! So funny.

Getting serious: On August 16, 2022, Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act into law, marking the most significant action Congress has taken on clean energy and climate change in the nation’s history.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/cleanenergy/inflation-reduction-act-guidebo
ok/

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Wednesday, July 26, 2023 8:10 AM

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Now this could be something to really worry about.

The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) – a large system of ocean currents that carry warm water from the tropics into the North Atlantic – could collapse by the middle of the century, or possibly any time from 2025 onward, because of human-caused climate change, a study published Tuesday suggests.

Such a collapse could trigger rapid weather and climate changes in the U.S., Europe and elsewhere. If it were to happen, it could bring about an ice age in Europe and sea-level rise in cities such as Boston and New York, as well as more potent storms and hurricanes along the East Coast.

It also could lead to drastically reduced amounts of rain and snowfall across the central and western U.S., the study's authors say.

The AMOC collapse is one of several dangerous climate "tipping points" scientists say are possible because of climate change.

How could climate change cause the AMOC to collapse?

Study co-authors Peter and Susanne Ditlevsen explained to USA TODAY how the collapse of the AMOC could occur: "Greenhouse gas emissions cause global warming, which speeds up the melting of Greenland ice. The melted freshwater entering the North Atlantic can then disrupt the AMOC, potentially causing major climate disruptions.

"When the increased meltwater from Greenland enters the North Atlantic, it's freshwater, which is lighter than the salty seawater around it," the Ditlevsens said. "This excess freshwater can disrupt the normal sinking of the salty water, weakening or even shutting down the AMOC. If the AMOC collapses, it can have far-reaching effects on weather patterns and ocean currents, leading to significant climate changes."

Studies in 2018 and 2021 have found that a collapse of the AMOC is possible at some point this century. What's new in this study?

Using new statistical tools and ocean temperature data from the past 150 years, researchers calculated that the AMOC will stop – with 95% certainty – between 2025 and 2095. "Using new and improved statistical tools, we’ve made calculations that provide a more robust estimate of when a collapse is most likely to occur, something we had not been able to do before," said study co-author Susanne Ditlevsen, a professor at the University of Copenhagen.

The researchers' prediction is based on observations of early warning signals ocean currents exhibit as they become unstable.

The calculations contradict the message of the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, in which an abrupt change in the AMOC is considered "unlikely" this century.

"Our result underscores the importance of reducing global greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible," said study co-author Peter Ditlevsen, also from the University of Copenhagen.

More at https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2023/07/25/atlantic-curren
t-collapse-possible-in-two-years-study-suggests/70434388007/

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Thursday, July 27, 2023 5:25 AM

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Biden’s $250 billion lure to clean up the dirty legacy of fossil fuels

The International Energy Agency expects the world to invest about a billion dollars a day into solar in 2023, marking the first time the renewable has surpassed global investment in oil production. It’s astonishing growth for an industry that was in its infancy just a decade ago. And Jigar Shah, the director of the Loan Programs Office at the US Department of Energy, thinks his office should get partial credit for kick-starting the solar revolution.

The technology for solar has been well established for years, but the business case for installing it on a mass scale hasn’t developed as quickly. Around 20 years ago, there wasn’t a single large utility solar project in the US, and it was risky business to be the first. But that’s what the Loan Programs Office was created to accomplish in 2005, before being given an expanded mandate in 2009. It filled a gap where the private sector wouldn’t, by providing loans for innovative clean technologies that were not yet implemented on a mass scale.

“When you think about all the dominoes that fell to get to a billion dollars a day, we started that process,” Shah said in an interview last month with Vox. “We’re the ones who hit the first domino.”

Shah pointed out that the first five large-scale — 100-megawatt or more — solar plants in the US were all funded by the Loan Programs Office early in the Obama administration. A similar story was true for the rise of electric cars: The DOE office gave a $465 million loan to Tesla in 2010 to produce the successful Model S.

The Loan Programs Office has been dormant for over a decade. The Inflation Reduction Act along with the bipartisan infrastructure law rescued the office from obscurity but gave it a new challenge to tackle. Now, the Loan Programs Office has an expanded mandate from Congress to distribute up to $250 billion in loans to “retool, repower, repurpose, or replace energy infrastructure” for the Energy Infrastructure Reinvestment program (EIR).

The goals of the EIR are different than most of the Inflation Reduction Act’s spending. Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act a year ago to usher in a new era of clean technology and manufacturing aimed at slashing US climate pollution. Billions of dollars of the climate law focuses on what it will build through tax credits, grants, and direct investments, technologies like heat pumps, electric cars, solar fields, offshore wind, power lines, and modern nuclear power.

What happens on the other side of the equation — the fossil fuel infrastructure left behind — is less clear. With 370 coal-fired power plant retirements announced in the past decade and more to come, this transition is already underway.

The DOE’s EIR has far-reaching potential to transform what we think of as traditional energy infrastructure, including utilities, power lines, and pipelines, as well as things like gas stations and hospitals. Executed in its full vision, the loans could help to lower climate pollution in the near term, but even more importantly, prove there’s a market for retooling the infrastructure we already have.

Abandoned gas stations could be put to new use through the EIR. Old gas stations are notoriously hard to reclaim and put to better use, but with more financing and an interested developer, they could be converted to EV charging stations.

More at https://www.vox.com/climate/23771835/biden-ira-climate-fossil-fuel-ene
rgy-investment

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South Korea emerges as key partner for America’s energy transition | July 24, 2023

Inside Climate News reports:

On June 22, the U.S. The Department of Energy announced that it will grant a $9.2 billion loan to BlueOval SK LLC (BOSK), a joint venture between Ford and SK On, a Korean battery manufacturer. The loan will be used to construct three manufacturing plants in Tennessee and Kentucky. Once operational, the facilities have the potential to displace 455 million gallons of gasoline annually by propelling the shift toward low-carbon transportation.

The loan, dubbed the “biggest government investment in the auto industry” since the 2009 recession, is evidence of the Biden administration’s efforts to strengthen the domestic supply chain for a clean energy transition. As the U.S. tries to kick off its renewable energy and battery manufacturing capabilities, it also needs help from overseas to quickly reach its net zero goals, and South Korea is emerging as a pivotal ally in America’s pursuit of an energy transition.

More at https://insideclimatenews.org/news/24072023/south-korea-emerges-as-key
-partner-for-americas-clean-energy-manufacturing/

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Friday, July 28, 2023 2:45 AM

SIGNYM

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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.

That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.

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Friday, July 28, 2023 8:28 AM

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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.

That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal. Not from Natural Gas.
https://shellenergy.com/business/decarbonization

This is probably obvious, but the purpose of an electric vehicle is defeated if the electricity is purchased from a fossil-fueled power plant.

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Modern ‘sixth mass extinction’ event will be worse than first predicted, says report

Tragically, the global mass extinction event that we find ourselves in the midst of will be even worse than originally predicted, according to a recent study ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/brv.12974 ). The international team of scientists came to their conclusion after analyzing population trends data for more than 71,000 animal species — including mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish and insects — from around the world to see how their numbers have changed since record-keeping first began.

Generally, scientists agree that an extinction event is occurring when species vanish much faster than they are replaced. A mass extinction event is usually defined as losing 75% of the world’s species in a short period of geological time — less than 2.8 million years, according to the Natural History Museum ( https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-mass-extinction-and-are-we-faci
ng-a-sixth-one.html ).

Previous research has established that the current rates of extinction are between 1000-10,000 times higher than “background” extinction rates, which has led some scientists to argue that life on Earth has entered its sixth mass extinction event. But uniquely, when compared to the planet’s previous five mass extinction events, this is the first mass extinction event that is the result of the actions of just one species — humans.

More at https://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscientist/2023/07/19/modern-sixth-mas
s-extinction-event-will-be-worse-than-first-predicted/

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Friday, July 28, 2023 11:49 PM

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Modern ‘sixth mass extinction’ event will be worse than first predicted, says report

Tragically, the global mass extinction event that we find ourselves in the midst of will be even worse than originally predicted, according to a recent study ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/brv.12974 ). The international team of scientists came to their conclusion after analyzing population trends data for more than 71,000 animal species — including mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish and insects — from around the world to see how their numbers have changed since record-keeping first began.

Generally, scientists agree that an extinction event is occurring when species vanish much faster than they are replaced. A mass extinction event is usually defined as losing 75% of the world’s species in a short period of geological time — less than 2.8 million years, according to the Natural History Museum ( https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-mass-extinction-and-are-we-faci
ng-a-sixth-one.html ).

Previous research has established that the current rates of extinction are between 1000-10,000 times higher than “background” extinction rates, which has led some scientists to argue that life on Earth has entered its sixth mass extinction event. But uniquely, when compared to the planet’s previous five mass extinction events, this is the first mass extinction event that is the result of the actions of just one species — humans.

More at https://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscientist/2023/07/19/modern-sixth-mas
s-extinction-event-will-be-worse-than-first-predicted/

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Friday, July 28, 2023 11:51 PM

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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.

That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal. Not from Natural Gas.
https://shellenergy.com/business/decarbonization


Bullshit.

You have a coal powered car. Electricity isn't magic.

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Friday, July 28, 2023 11:58 PM

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'Heat Islands' Have City-Dwellers Swelter In A Concrete Jungle
Across all 44 cities, the total population living in census tracts with an UHI [urban heat index] index of 8°F or higher is 41 million—or about 55% of the 74 million people included in this analysis.

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate-matters/urban-heat-islands-2023


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How to redesign cities to withstand heat waves
Trees, green roofs, and white paint

https://www.vox.com/22557563/how-to-redesign-cities-for-heat-waves-cli
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Saturday, July 29, 2023 12:09 AM

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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.

That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.

SECOND::I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal.


Bully for you.

So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?

You claim to have been an engineer? HA!

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Saturday, July 29, 2023 7:23 AM

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Bully for you.

So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?

You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
Oh my goodness! The Cost! The Cost! Instead, let's plant a trillion trees, your favorite cost-free project to save the world, Signym. (President Trump Signs One Trillion Trees Executive Order https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-on
e-trillion-trees-executive-order-promoting-conservation-regeneration-nations-forests/ )

In real news that will save the world, unlike Trump's Trillion Trees:

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a major new rule Thursday to accelerate the connection of energy projects to the power grid, a move that could ease widespread delays stifling renewable energy.

There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.

The sheer volume of proposed projects has overwhelmed the longstanding grid connection process. It took an average of five years for new electricity projects that were built last year to be studied and approved for connection, compared to less than two years in 2008, Berkeley Lab has estimated.

Clean energy developers say the grid connection process has become a major impediment to meeting states’ renewable energy policies and realizing the goals of last year’s Inflation Reduction Act. "Every single Republican in Congress voted against the Inflation Reduction Act" because Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. Instead, Republicans wanted Trump's Trillion Trees. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1582491715772071936?lang=en

Under the new FERC rule, grid operators and electric utilities will need to change how they study energy projects and will now be subject to firm deadlines and penalties if they fail to process connection requests on time. Proposed electricity projects will be studied in groups, rather than individually, and projects that are further along in the development process will be prioritized.

“The rule provides a strong baseline, based on best practices and lessons learned from around the country, to ensure all utilities are making strides towards breaking through their own interconnection logjams,” said Commissioner Allison Clements, a Democrat.

More at https://www.eenews.net/articles/ferc-approves-historic-rule-to-address
-renewables-backlog/

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Saturday, July 29, 2023 9:52 AM

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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.

That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.

SECOND::I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal.


Bully for you.

So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?

You claim to have been an engineer? HA!

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Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.

What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.



Early adopter jagoffs who are paying huge bucks for experimental technology that will fail early and often on them get to brag about 5 years of "free" magic electricity in their contracts. They'll also have no ability to sell the car to anybody unless that person is extremely stupid like the original buyer was, since replacing the car battery will cost $25k to $30k compared to $100 to $200 for a car battery in actual cars.



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Saturday, July 29, 2023 10:50 AM

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Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.

What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
You missed the part where they are building enough green power plants to double the electric generation capacity of the US:

There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.

The sheer volume of proposed projects has overwhelmed the longstanding grid connection process. It took an average of five years for new electricity projects that were built last year to be studied and approved for connection, compared to less than two years in 2008, Berkeley Lab has estimated.

Clean energy developers say the grid connection process has become a major impediment to meeting states’ renewable energy policies and realizing the goals of last year’s Inflation Reduction Act. "Every single Republican in Congress voted against the Inflation Reduction Act" because Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. Instead, Republicans wanted Trump's Trillion Trees. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1582491715772071936?lang=en
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Early adopter jagoffs who are paying huge bucks for experimental technology that will fail early and often on them get to brag about 5 years of "free" magic electricity in their contracts. They'll also have no ability to sell the car to anybody unless that person is extremely stupid like the original buyer was, since replacing the car battery will cost $25k to $30k compared to $100 to $200 for a car battery in actual cars.
You also missed the story that Tesla has been a fraudulent EV manufacturer from the very start.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+battery+fraud

But being a fraud has worked well for Tesla owner Elon Musk. The total stock market value of Tesla was more than that of all other auto companies combined. Tesla’s Market Cap (Gigantic) v. Next 10 Automakers v. Tesla’s Global Market Share (Minuscule)
https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/teslas-market-cap-gigantic-v-next-10
-automakers-v-teslas-global-market-share-minuscule/

Eventually, the stock market will understand that Musk and Tesla are frauds. That does not mean EVs are.

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Saturday, July 29, 2023 10:59 AM

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Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.

What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
You missed the part where they are building enough green power plants to double the electric generation capacity of the US:


No. I didn't miss that lie.


Regardless...

Even in the alternate timeline where that lie was true, you use more electricity charging your car every month than I do for everything I use electricity for in a month, not including the additional use during summer for A/C. Twice as much capacity will not be nearly enough, and the more of you idiots out there charging your cars up on coal, the higher people who use electricity for just basic living things in their home will have to pay for that electricity to subsidize your addiction.

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Saturday, July 29, 2023 12:58 PM

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Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!

SECOND: Oh my goodness! The Cost! The Cost!


Yes indeed! Let's not concern ouselves with whether what we're doing or proposing WILL WORK! Just as long as SECOND can virtue signal to try to justify his carbon-wasting existence and investments! HEY SECOND, HOW'S THAT OIL BARONY AND PRIVATE JET OF YOURS?


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SECOND: a trillion trees, your favorite cost-free project
And let's grossly lie about my posts so you can present a FALSE DILEMMA!

A) Reforesting is just ONE weapon in the arsenal to fight climate change (including solar and switching from coal and oil to natgas)

B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.

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SECOND: The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a major new rule Thursday to accelerate the connection of energy projects to the power grid, a move that could ease widespread delays stifling renewable energy.

There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.


Good news? I'll believe it when I see it! The biggest problem with solar and wind is that it is intermittant . Which means you need ginormous energy storage capacity to power thru those dead times, like what happened to Britain for 10 days when the sun didn't shine AND the wind didn't blow.
You claim to have been an engineer?

Engineers are supposed to design for failure.
HA!
You just like to ride your EV-powered hobby-horse!


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Saturday, July 29, 2023 7:52 PM

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B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
You made one good point which this article backs with some numbers:

We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why
https://www.thedrive.com/features/toyota-is-right-we-need-more-hybrid-
cars-and-fewer-evs-heres-why

So far, the government has favored the shiny, hype-driven solution of fast-tracking EV adoption, when the math suggests that’s suboptimal—at least for the short and medium term. If anything, it’s probably fair to say the over-emphasis on EVs is slowing the decarbonization of the auto industry for the time being. We can’t afford to overlook the role hybrids have to play here and now in favor of a far-flung future where every car on the road is pure electric.

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Saturday, July 29, 2023 7:56 PM

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As the world confronts the reality of the climate crisis, the GOP remains stuck in denial

Republican climate deniers are quick to dismiss the dire impacts.

“There is a very scientific word for this: It’s called summer,” Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) told HuffPost when asked about the heat on Thursday. “It’s no hotter right now than it’s ever been. I’ve been in this heat all my life in July and August as a football coach. This world’s not heating up, come on.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/climate-change-heat-republicans_n_64c3c
5bfe4b024f8ebc870f5

Right-wing groups recently crafted a 920-page “battle plan” — dubbed Project 2025 — to guide a future Republican administration in dismantling environmental regulations and stymying federal climate action.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/battle-plan-how-the-far-right-would-di
smantle-climate-programs/

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 12:17 AM

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B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
You made one good point which this article backs with some numbers:

We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why
https://www.thedrive.com/features/toyota-is-right-we-need-more-hybrid-
cars-and-fewer-evs-heres-why

So far, the government has favored the shiny, hype-driven solution of fast-tracking EV adoption, when the math suggests that’s suboptimal—at least for the short and medium term. If anything, it’s probably fair to say the over-emphasis on EVs is slowing the decarbonization of the auto industry for the time being. We can’t afford to overlook the role hybrids have to play here and now in favor of a far-flung future where every car on the road is pure electric.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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No shit, Sherlock. The most effective way of decarbonizing transportation is to

a) switch to natgas instead of gasoline. That way instead of burning appx two hydrogens per carbon you'll burn four hydrogens per carbon, and

b) burn the natgas to run a generator to charge a battery. That way the engine can run efficiently at constant RPMs and the electric motor can make use of regenerative braking.

But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.

Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?



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Sunday, July 30, 2023 5:33 AM

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But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.

Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?
The last time Russia controlled Ukraine, Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians. Signym, does that suggest why Ukraine didn't immediately surrender when Russia invaded?

And Russia stayed in the European countries it conquered during WWII until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Signym, does that suggest why the European Union sends ammo to Ukraine?

And Russia threatened to nuke the UK and USA only yesterday. Signym, does that suggest why the UK and USA send ammo to Ukraine?

Because the Ukrainian War didn't end with a quick surrender, the world is going green instead of continuing to burn Russian fossil fuel:

Why the war in Ukraine is pushing Europe’s militaries to decarbonize
https://www.politico.eu/article/war-ukraine-push-europe-militaries-dec
arbonize-fossil-fuels/

Putin the Green? The Unintended Consequences of Russia’s Energy War on Europe
https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/02/putin-the-green-the-unintended-co
nsequences-of-russias-energy-war-on-europe/

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In the first half of 2023, Toyota Motor North America sold a total of 270,476 EVs, including hybrids, which make up 26% of the company’s total sales volume. June saw 51,535 EVs sold, making up 26.4% of monthly sales
https://www.torquenews.com/8113/toyotas-impressive-2023-electrified-ve
hicle-sales-showcase-consumer-shift

Toyota recently announced plans for an EV with a 900-mile range after just 10 minutes of charging. Toyota claims it has made a breakthrough in solid-state battery manufacturing that will actually make this product easier to produce than lithium batteries.
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-tech/solid-state-battery-toyota-ev-r
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The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam

Republicans are trying to stymie the transition to EVs, but their motivations are a confusing mashup of anti-Biden posturing and grievance politics.

A few years ago, it was not uncommon to spot internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles deliberately parked in electric vehicle-only spots, usually near an EV charging station, effectively blocking access to that charger. It was an anti-social way for aggrieved gas-powered car owners to express contempt for these new vehicles.

Now a bunch of Republicans are taking the concept of “getting ICE’d” to the next logical conclusion. Not content to simply obstruct a parking spot, they are instead looking to stymie the growth of EVs through ill-considered policy decisions. Their reasons are varied: some are trying to protect the oil and gas industry, while others simply want to stick it to Joe Biden or “own the libs.” But they are part of a growing trend of red states that are, in essence, parking their big, gas-powered vehicles in the path of progress.

Republican lawmakers characterize EVs as a “misadventure” that will gobble up massive amounts of electric power and threaten the incumbent oil and gas industry, which employs thousands of workers. For a political party that purports to love freedom as much as they do, it’s a baffling position to actively seek to limit the purchasing choices of the American car buyer.

To be sure, there is little coherence to the backlash against EVs. It’s a melange of anti-Biden / anti-California posturing mixed with concern trolling over the environmental impact of mining for battery minerals (a real issue but less detrimental to the environment than the collective tailpipe emissions of all our cars), with a dash of grievance politics over “socialist” state governments dictating what kind of car you’re allowed to buy. Tucker Carlson hit all these points in a rambling segment last year, in which he called EVs “terrible for the environment”.

More at https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/19/23562259/red-state-ev-bill-wyoming-
virgina-youngkin

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Can We Sue Our Way Out of the Climate Crisis? (It worked with tobacco. )

By Mary Harris, July 30, 2023

It’s deceptively hard to get an answer to the question “How hot is it?” these days. But if you look closely, you’ll get the gist. In El Paso, Texas, they have clocked triple-digit temperatures for more than a month at this point. In Florida, it’s getting hot enough that coral reefs are dying. And in Las Vegas, the concrete sidewalks are a sizzling 144 degrees.

Dharna Noor knows all about the heat. She covers the climate for the Guardian. For her, this summer has felt both horrifying and inevitable. But Noor is particularly interested in climate solutions. And I called her up to talk about a tactic she’s seeing more and more these days—local municipalities, and even just individual people, taking climate change to court.

Sometimes, it’s people suing the government, trying to get it to regulate greenhouse gases better. Sometimes, it’s the government suing oil companies over their role in the climate disaster. And, sure, litigation is not new, but, Noor says, the broad implications of this litigation are.

“The new trend that we’ve seen explode over the past five years is this idea of holding somebody responsible for climate change itself. So, not the emissions from a particular coal-fired power plant or the emissions related to one specific highway,” Noor said, “but rather this idea that climate change itself has been created by specific actors.”

Worldwide, there are hundreds of these lawsuits. Can we sue our way out of the climate crisis? Probably not. But on a recent episode of What Next, we looked into why a heck of a lot of lawyers are trying. Our conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/07/climate-change-solutions-l
awsuits-rico-big-oil-exxon-chevron-accountability.html

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 12:41 PM

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The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam

Republicans are trying to stymie the transition to EVs, but their motivations are a confusing mashup of anti-Biden posturing and grievance politics.

A few years ago, it was not uncommon to spot internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles deliberately parked in electric vehicle-only spots, usually near an EV charging station, effectively blocking access to that charger. It was an anti-social way for aggrieved gas-powered car owners to express contempt for these new vehicles.


I've never even seen an EV charging station.

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 12:49 PM

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But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.

Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?\

SECOND: The last time Russia controlled Ukraine, Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians.
And then, Ukrainians and Russians live peaceabley together for 70 years, 30-35% of Ukrainians spoke Russian, and Ukrainians freely elected neutral or Pro-Russian Presidents over and over again!

Your brain is STUCK, SECOND! Look at us and Japan: We watonly nuked two big Japanese cities. Do they HATE us? Do they grind on endlessly, over and over, about our barbarity?

No. They're not stuck like YOU are. Or Germany. Or Europe as a whole: Germany and Italy were the two Axis powers, and France (and Poland, Sweden, Hungary, Spain and other European nations) either openly (Vichy France) or tacitly supported Nazism. We trounced the western front, and occupied them UNTIL TODAY. Do they hate us? Do they grind on and on and on and on with their historical grudge bc we killed thousands of their citizens and denied them their nazi governments? THEY DO NOT.

Ukrainians didn't either. It wasn't until the USA spent $5 BILLION dollars (per Vickie Nuland) sowing and feeding anti-Russian sentiment through its State Dept affiliated NGOs like AID and NED and their various spinoffs (from at least 2000), and drove a wedge into the heart of Ukraine. THEN ARMED UKRAINE TO THE TEETH to use it as a proxy gainst Russia.

You think it can't be done? LOOK AT THE USA TODAY. HOW MANY 'INTEREST GROUPS' HAVE WE BEEN FRACTURED INTO? WOMEN'S RIGHTS, BLM, ANTIFA, EXTENICTION REBELIION, LGBTQ+ etc etc.


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SECOND: And Russia stayed in the European countries it conquered during WWII
AND WE STAYED IN THE REMAINDER. How many bases have we had in Germany since then? How many in Italy? Spain? Greece? How many installations? How throughly are their politial parties and their media and security agencies infiltrated by the CIA?
Vver hear of Operation Gladio?

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SECOND: Signym, does that suggest why the European Union sends ammo to Ukraine?
I know why they did it: they are vassal states of the USA.

Most of this was economically driven. After WWII it was beneficial to be a NATO member state. The USA aided Germany directly thru the Marshall plan and indirectly to NATO members by 'taking care of' their defense spending. And of course the CIA and State Dept were busy removing all potentially pro-communist groups from Germany and Italy and taking over their media, especially in Germany. We blasted all of Europe with Rsio Free Europe. They had the imprssion that the streets here were paved with bold.
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Udo Ulfkotte reveals in his bestseller Bought Journalists, how he was “taught to lie, to betray and not to tell the truth to the public.”

The former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers, was secretly on the payroll of the CIA and German secret service, spinning the news in a way that was positive for the United States and bad for its opponents.

And they're STILL doing it today! Coverage of Nordstream sabotage?? Nil! Coverage of the war in Ukraine and its antecendents? DELUSIONAL. German politics? INFILTRATED. The Green Party, formerly anti-war and pro-environment and pro-human, is now pro-war, pro-transnationalist and anti-human.

Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 1:30 PM

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Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.
I guess you missed that Putin denies that Holodomor happened and denies that the 4 million dead Ukrainians are Russia's fault. Ukrainians are very aware of Putin's false explanations for invading rather than him speaking about his true motivation: theft of land.
https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences/

You missed that Russia stole Japanese islands at the end of WWII and Japan, even today, wants those islands returned. One more example of Russia's theft of land.
https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html
https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/russias-militarizatio
n-kuril-islands

If the US left Okinawa then Japan would be very pleased. On the other hand, GOP congressmen would be very angry which is the same reason Guantanamo Bay Naval Base still holds prisoners and has not been returned to Cuba. For example, GOP Congressmen were very angry when the Panama Canal Zone was returned to Panama.
https://libguides.gwu.edu/okinawa/militarybases/maps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Relatio
ns_(1903)#Cuban_perspectives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties#Critici
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Sunday, July 30, 2023 2:23 PM

SIGNYM

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Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.
I guess you missed that Putin denies that Holodomor happened and denies that the 4 million dead Ukrainians are Russia's fault. Ukrainians are very aware of Putin's false explanations for invading rather than him speaking about his true motivation: theft of land.
https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences/

You missed that Russia stole Japanese islands at the end of WWII and Japan, even today, wants those islands returned. One more example of Russia's theft of land.
https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html
https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/russias-militarizatio
n-kuril-islands

If the US left Okinawa then Japan would be very pleased. On the other hand, GOP congressmen would be very angry which is the same reason Guantanamo Bay Naval Base still holds prisoners and has not been returned to Cuba. For example, GOP Congressmen were very angry when the Panama Canal Zone was returned to Panama.
https://libguides.gwu.edu/okinawa/militarybases/maps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Relatio
ns_(1903)#Cuban_perspectives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties#Critici
sm

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And if Putin "recognized" the Holdomor, what would that change? The people who committed it, and the immediate relatives of the victims, died decades ago. Yeah, ok, it happened. It should be acknowledged (altho it's not that anyone denies it happene, it's just whether or not it was technically 'genocide' since it wasn't aimed only at Ukrainians but at ALL land-owning farmers... but I digress).

I think you and the rest of the neocons... and their conditioned dupes and satraps... are the only ones who keep that laser focus on something that happened over 70 years ago bc it's such a convenient PROPAGANDA POINT.

It's like today's Jews ..Remember the Holocaust!. They create a permanent victim status that lets them get away with their current atrocities. How about. . REMEMBER THE PRESENT!

AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED TOPIC.


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Sunday, July 30, 2023 2:41 PM

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And if Putin "recognized" the Holdomor, what would that change?
Russia doesn't even stop for Sundays -- Another threat to nuke the world:

If Ukraine’s ongoing counteroffensive against Moscow’s invasion captures Russian territory, there would be no alternative to using strategic nuclear weapons, Russia’s Dmitry Medvedev warned on Sunday. Strategic means nuking the US, just in case you missed the point, Signym. By the way, "captures Russian territory" means Ukraine recaptures Ukrainian territory that Russia happens to control this Sunday, Signym. Russians are very quick about claiming Ukrainian land as always being Russian land.

“There would simply be no other way out” of using nuclear weapons if the Ukrainian offensive succeeded in taking Russian territory, Medvedev, former Russian president and current National Security Council deputy chairman, said in a post on social media.

“Just imagine that the NATO-supported ukrobanderovtsy’s offensive turned out successful, and they took away a part of our land: Then we would have to, following the president’s degree of 02.06.2020, use the nuclear weapon,” Medvedev wrote, referring to followers of Stepan Bandera, a nationalist leader who waged a violent campaign for Ukrainian independence in the 1930s and 1940s.

“That’s why our enemies must worship our warriors. They are keeping global nuclear fire from flaring up,” Medvedev said, referring to Russian efforts to stop the Ukrainian offensive.

Medvedev has not been shy in using Russia’s nuclear arsenal to threaten Ukraine and its Western supporters. During Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s failed coup, Medvedev said the rebellion could lead to a nuclear war.

Before that, Medvedev had said that the war in Ukraine could be “brought to an end within a few days” by doing what “the Americans did in 1945 when they deployed nuclear weapons and bombed two Japanese cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-dmitry-medvedev-ukraine-counter
offensive-russia-invasion-war-nuclear-weapons/

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 2:48 PM

SIGNYM

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So maybe we shouldn't have armed Ukraine and pushed it to invade or destabilize Russia? Which was our plan all along.

This whole Ukraine war?

Strictly a creation of the USA neocons. SURELY you haven't forgotten all of YOUR slavering plans to regime change Russia, break it up ('decolonize') it and reap all of those resources that were 'unfairly' located in Russia???

You reap what you sow.

And now, if you could get off your delusional obsessions... RUSSIA! TRUMP! TRUMPTARDS! and stick with the topic?

*****
BTW, your obsessive hatred of the 'enemy du jour' is a GREAT example of why we will never solve climate change ... or avoid nuclear holocaust. Your obsessions trump real-world consequences.


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Sunday, July 30, 2023 6:17 PM

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BTW, your obsessive hatred of the 'enemy du jour' is a GREAT example of why we will never solve climate change ... or avoid nuclear holocaust. Your obsessions trump real-world consequences.
Project 2025 is the GOP's blueprint for Climate Change.

In a summer of 110-degree heat waves and killer floods, GOPers draft a 2025 scheme to end all action on climate change.

While you were turning up the air-conditioning or trying to find an open city pool, the brain trust of the conservative movement were spending $22 million to craft a 950-page plan called Project 2025 that (among other things) is a blueprint for unconditional surrender in the war on climate change. The scheme drafted by the Heritage Foundation and other think tanks that have guided GOP administrations since Ronald Reagan wouldn’t just halt the desperately needed transition to clean energy and electric cars, but restore the unchecked hegemony of burning fossil fuels.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/battle-plan-how-the-far-right-would-di
smantle-climate-programs/

Some specifics:

• Blocking the expansion of the electrical grid to accommodate clean energy sources like wind and solar.

• Eliminating three offices within the Department of Energy promoting the renewable power transition.

• Wiping out funding for environmental justice work in the U.S. Department of Environmental Protection.

• Massive growth of the natural gas infrastructure such as pipelines.

• Ensuring that no other states win approval for the kind of strict electric car guidelines being implemented in California.

• The EPA and other key agencies would be radically downsized and placed under the care of right-wing pro-fossil fuel zealots.

• It even includes restrictions on new scientific research.

The conservatives behind Project 2025 aren’t shy about touting the radical, reactionary nature of their environmental blueprint.

“Project 2025 is not a white paper. We are not tinkering at the edges. We are writing a battle plan, and we are marshaling our forces,” Paul Dans, the Project 2025 director with the Heritage Foundation, told Politico’s E&E News. “Never before has the whole conservative movement banded together to systematically prepare to take power day one and deconstruct the administrative state.”

Genevieve Guenther, a scientist who founded the organization End Climate Silence, agreed with one aspect of Project 2025 — that it is, indeed, a battle plan, and a wakeup call for people on the other side who want action on the warming planet. “The war being waged is against our children’s future, she posted on the former Twitter now known as X, adding: “Elections matter!”

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230730215823/https://www.inquirer.com/op
inion/commentary/project-2025-gop-plan-climate-change-20230730.html

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 6:54 PM

SIGNYM

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Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:29 PM

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Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?
The GOP's plan is to claim that Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. So long as the Chinese have not reduced their CO2 to zero there is no reason for the USA to do anything since that would make the USA noncompetitive with China, destroy America, burden American workers, raise taxes, make Americans suffer and die, whatever lies the GOP thinks you will believe.

On the other hand, the Democrats have an actual plan that will work and they have already passed legislation and are doing the job. https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+plan+for+climate+change

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 8:41 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?
The GOP's plan is to claim that Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. So long as the Chinese have not reduced their CO2 to zero there is no reason for the USA to do anything since that would make the USA noncompetitive with China, destroy America, burden American workers, raise taxes, make Americans suffer and die, whatever lies the GOP thinks you will believe.

On the other hand, the Democrats have an actual plan that will work and they have already passed legislation and are doing the job. https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+plan+for+climate+change

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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And here I was, thinking that you JUST told me -more than once! - that the GOP plan was to plant a trillion trees!

Your brain is so fucked, SECOND, you can't even keep your hate straight!



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Sunday, July 30, 2023 9:01 PM

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And here I was, thinking that you JUST told me -more than once! - that the GOP plan was to plant a trillion trees!

Your brain is so fucked, SECOND, you can't even keep your hate straight!

You never did read Trump's executive order about planting a trillion trees. It was actually a tax giveaway to the lumber industry with the justification that it would prevent climate change. The giveaway of tax money was real and the prevention of climate change was fake, Fake, FAKE:

The idea of planting one trillion trees had one enormous political advantage: It was practically sacrifice-free, no war on coal, no transition from fossil fuels, no energy conservation or investment in renewable sources of power that Mr. Trump loves to mock, like the windmills that cause cancer or the solar panels that are not “strong enough.”

The trillion trees initiative migrated from Mr. Benioff’s PowerPoint presentations to the president’s pronouncements, first at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last month, then his State of the Union address last week, is a study in ad hoc policymaking at the Trump White House. A personal appeal from a celebrity voice got the idea past traditional gatekeepers. A back channel through Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, gave it life, and a re-election campaign that has sought to soften some of Mr. Trump’s sharper edges ensured its publicity.

It is far from clear that the United States government will actually plant any trees, or that a trillion trees would do much in the near term to stop the worst effects of planetary warming. Tom Crowther, an environmental scientist and an author of the study that sparked the movement, cautioned that the full benefits would not be seen for about 100 years, when most of the new trees would reach full maturity. During that time, he said, the world needs to drive down fossil fuel emissions.

“If tree planting is just used as an excuse to avoid cutting greenhouse gas emissions or to further limit environmental protection, then it could be a real disaster,” said Dr. Crowther, who studies ecosystem ecology at ETH Zurich.

But such details might be beside the point for a White House initiative that is heavier on politics than science. One senior administration official described the tree initiative as one the president believes will “bring people together.”

“We’re committed to conserving the majesty of God’s creation and the natural beauty of our world,” Mr. Trump told investors and world leaders in Davos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/climate/trump-trees-climate-change.
html

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 11:55 PM

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Fuck your EVs.



We're using gasoline.




Mountain Valley Gets SCOTUS Approval

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Fuck your EVs.

We're using gasoline.
You are yelling "Get a horse!" to the people who own Model T Fords. You will remain bitter until you can afford your own used Model T. The previous owner traded in his Model T for a Chevy. Then you will remain bitter that you cannot afford a Chevy but have to drive a worn-out piece of junk because you are angry poor white trash. This is as America has always been, even back to the days when Americans who had to work in the fields were bitter at those who could afford to own slaves.

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Monday, July 31, 2023 8:41 AM

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Fuck your EVs.

We're using gasoline.
You are yelling "Get a horse!" to the people who own Model T Fords. You will remain bitter until you can afford your own used Model T. The previous owner traded in his Model T for a Chevy. Then you will remain bitter that you cannot afford a Chevy but have to drive a worn-out piece of junk because you are angry poor white trash. This is as America has always been, even back to the days when Americans who had to work in the fields were bitter at those who could afford to own slaves.

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You're getting colder.

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Monday, July 31, 2023 12:10 PM

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Ford set to lose $4.5 billion on electric vehicles this year, despite increased revenue

Ford recently dropped the price of its electric F-150 Lightning pickup truck

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ford-set-lose-billion-electric-
vehicles-year-despite-increased-revenue

Looks like you overpaid for that Ford F150 Lightning you wish you had.




Ford lost 1.5 times what it expected to lose on Coal Burning Cars this year, and twice what it lost last year.



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Wednesday, August 2, 2023 8:33 PM

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Anybody been talking about the new fuel? Comes from air, captures Oxygen from CO2, requires ZERO modifications to existing gas combustion engines?

Currently $11 per gallon, but getting reduced.

Pro Racing will have a year or 2 of running on it, Porsche is leading research.

Greens hate it, will eliminate their power of scare tactics over everybody.

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Ford lost 1.5 times what it expected to lose on Coal Burning Cars this year, and twice what it lost last year.
That means Ford is bad at business, not that electric cars are bad for business. Toyota’s Big Earnings Surprise: It’s More Profitable Than Tesla, Updated Aug. 1, 2023

Move over Tesla. Toyota Motor is the most profitable automaker once again. The change, revealed in Toyota earnings, shows how competitive the electric-vehicle market is getting, and what Tesla is doing to expand sales rapidly.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/toyota-earnings-tesla-stock-df22231b

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Thursday, August 3, 2023 3:27 AM

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Quote:
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Anybody been talking about the new fuel? Comes from air, captures Oxygen from CO2, requires ZERO modifications to existing gas combustion engines?

Currently $11 per gallon, but getting reduced.

Pro Racing will have a year or 2 of running on it, Porsche is leading research.

Greens hate it, will eliminate their power of scare tactics over everybody.
Something like this makes the rounds every few years. The car that runs on WATER! The fuel that NASA developed that gets 200 mpg that GM bought up the rights to and killed. The car that runs off the earth's electromagentic filed!

Thinking about the chemistry of separating oxygen from CO2... well, that takes energy. Plants do it quite nicely using solar power, but I can't think of any process to do that that doesn't USE energy. ANd a process that USESenergy can't possibly be used to fuel anything.

Hey, I'll be happy to learn something very new, but if it happens it would completely overturn everything we think we know about physics and chemistry.

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