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Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress
Friday, June 30, 2023 1:10 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech. So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: fwiw, progozhin isn't any kind of military commander. he's had no military training, and putting him in charge of military decisions ...? bad idea.
Friday, June 30, 2023 1:11 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech. So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too? This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF
Friday, June 30, 2023 9:26 PM
SECOND
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Saturday, July 1, 2023 9:39 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 25th): LOL The coup isn't even really happening, you dumb shit. Putin's putting on a show for dummies like you. You've been psy-oped, bitch.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 28th): Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face. Because the whole thing was a psyop. If Prigozhin were really attempting an actual coup, he'd be dead right now.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.
Quote:FROM THE ARTICLE: That Prigozhin is still alive, having supposedly betrayed the Russian motherland, is inconceivable under the rule of Putin, who famously said in 2019 that "treason is the biggest crime on earth" and who hunts down traitors anywhere on the globe, including in the United States.
Saturday, July 1, 2023 10:23 AM
Quote: Currently, there is widespread reporting that Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the deputy commander of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine, has been detained in relation to the Wagner uprising. The New York Times and others days ago alleged, based on anonymous US intelligence officials, that Surovikin had foreknowledge of the Wagner rebellion, and suggested he may have even helped, in a move against Putin's grip on power.
Sunday, July 2, 2023 6:29 AM
Quote:Introduction Reconceiving Central Aspects Of The Holocaust Captain Wolfgang Hoffmann was a zealous executioner of Jews. As the commander of one of the three companies of Police Battalion 101, he and his fellow officers led their men, who were not SS men but ordinary Germans, in the deportation and gruesome slaughter in Poland of tens of thousands of Jewish men, women, and children. Yet this same man, in the midst of his genocidal activities, once stridently disobeyed a superior order that he deemed morally objectionable. The order commanded that members of his company sign a declaration that had been sent to them. Hoffmann began his written refusal by saying that upon reading it, he had thought that an error had been made, "because it appeared to me a piece of impertinence to demand of a decent German soldier to sign a declaration in which he obligates himself not to steal, not to plunder, and not to buy without paying...." He continued by describing how unnecessary such a demand was, since his men, of proper ideological conviction, were fully aware that such activities were punishable offenses. He also pronounced to his superiors his judgment of his men's character and actions, including, presumably, their slaughtering of Jews. He wrote that his men's adherence to German norms of morality and conduct "derives from their own free will and is not caused by a craving for advantages or fear of punishment." Hoffmann then declared defiantly: ''As an officer I regret, however, that I must set my view against that of the battalion commander and am not able to carry out the order, since I feel injured in my sense of honor. I must decline to sign a general declaration."1 Hoffmann's letter is astonishing and instructive for a number of reasons. Here is an officer who had already led his men in the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands of Jews, yet who deemed it an effrontery that anyone might suppose that he and his men would steal food from Poles! The genocidal killer's honor was wounded, and wounded doubly, for he was both a soldier and a German. His conception of the obligations that Germans owed the "subhuman" Poles must have been immeasurably greater than those owed Jews. Hoffmann also understood his parent institution to be so tolerant that he was willing to refuse a direct order and even to record his brazen insubordination in writing. His judgment of his men—a judgment based, no doubt, on the compass of their activities, including their genocidal ones—was that they acted not out of fear of punishment, but with willing assent; they acted from conviction, according to their inner beliefs. Hoffmann's written refusal sets in sharp relief important, neglected aspects of the Holocaust—such as the laxness of many of the institutions of killing, the capacity of the perpetrators to refuse orders (even orders to kill), and, not least of all, their moral autonomy—and provides insight into the unusual mind-set of the perpetrators, including their motivation for killing. It should force us to ask long-ignored questions about the sort of worldview and the institutional context that could produce such a letter which, though on a tangential subject and seemingly bizarre, reveals a host of typical features of the Germans' perpetration of the Holocaust. Understanding the actions and mind-set of the tens of thousands of ordinary Germans who, like Captain Hoffmann, became genocidal killers is the subject of this book.
Sunday, July 2, 2023 6:40 AM
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Sunday, July 2, 2023 12:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Xi Jinping's Schadenfreude Over the Mutiny Against Putin Craig Singleton In war, more things often go wrong than right.
Quote: If that inconvenient truth was somehow lost on Chinese leader Xi Jinping more than 16 months into Russia’s planned two-day takeover of Ukraine, then last weekend’s rebellion and march toward Moscow by the Wagner Group surely set him straight. Indeed, while Xi often champions the ostensible novelty of the Chinese system, deep down he fears that China is afflicted by the very same ideological ills that once plagued the Soviet Union—and continue to curse its Russian remnants. Chief among these ills, according to Xi himself, are “political corruption, ideological heresy, and military disloyalty,” all of which were on full display during last weekend’s Russian rumble.
Quote: Moscow’s short-lived mutiny, led by a wealthy, well-armed former member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s innermost circle,
Quote: represents the sum of Xi’s greatest fears about China’s post-Deng Xiaoping political framework. No doubt, Putin is Xi’s “best, most intimate friend.” But Xi has hardly been shy about criticizing Putin’s perverse preference for power sharing, whereby the Russian leader lets competing factions vie to keep each other in check.
Quote: If nothing else, last weekend’s dramatic events re-affirmed Xi’s intense distrust of any form of pluralism—even within a country’s power elite
Quote: —and will likely lead him to pursue ever more radical policies aimed at making the world less safe for democracy.
Quote: Generally speaking, Xi and Putin agree on most everything, with one major exception: the reason for the Soviet Union’s demise. In Xi’s estimation, the Soviet Communist Party’s rule did not collapse as a result of any specific external pressure, nor because of the structural fragility inherent in the Soviet Union’s state-directed economy. Instead, Xi asserts the “great Soviet socialist nation fell to pieces,” seemingly overnight, because its “ideals and beliefs [were] shaken.” Putin, meanwhile, has long argued economics, not ideology, led to a collapse in the Soviet Union’s social sphere. The elite infighting that followed, Putin posits, gave rise to long-term consequences in the political sphere and, eventually, the Soviet Union’s self-destruction.
Quote: Based on these differing diagnoses, Xi and Putin have pursued wildly divergent strongman strategies—the former relying on purges and purposeful political discipline, the latter on graft and growing his coterie of cronies,
Quote: ... a group that until recently included Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. If the failed rebellion is any indication, Xi’s initial ideological instincts were right all along. No doubt, the seeds of Prigozhin’s short-lived mutiny were sown the moment Putin foolishly embraced paramilitaries as foreign-policy force multipliers.
Quote:But the veneer of competence and control long synonymous with Putin’s 20-plus years in power truly began to crumble last month, when explosive-laden drones penetrated Russian air defenses and struck several apartment buildings in Moscow. In that moment, the Kremlin’s misadventures in Ukraine became too serious for the Russian power elite—the siloviki, such as Prigozhin—to ignore.
Quote: Now, Putin’s problems are Xi’s, too. For if the Soviet Union could implode so suddenly and unexpectedly, Xi surely realizes the same fate could befall Beijing’s junior partner.
Quote: Beijing’s near-term challenge is compounded by its limited, almost myopic, insight into Russian decision-making. That extends to accurately assessing whether long-simmering resentment and recriminations over Putin’s failed
Quote: attempts to subjugate Ukraine
Quote: might lead other disgruntled elites to exploit Russia’s current power vacuum.
Quote: Even worse for Beijing is the begrudging realization that it is merely a bystander in Putin’s Ukraine power play—incapable of either helping Moscow win the war outright
Quote: or effecting a diplomatic solution that ensures Putin, and by extension Xi, can save some much-needed face. Indeed, with prominent Chinese theorists speculating that time may no longer be on Putin’s side, Xi must now grapple with losing the very great-power clash he set in motion against the West.
Quote: If history and Xi’s previous actions are any guide, he will channel Putin’s predicament into doubling down on his preference for rigid top-down policymaking at the expense of the entrepreneurial, collaborative hallmarks that embodied the Deng era.
Quote: Abroad, China will lead like-minded authoritarian partners in deepening their interference in both developing and developed countries. Their collective goal: to destabilize democracies and make the world less dangerous for dictators.
Quote: Yet however vindicated Xi may feel today about Putin’s style of governance, his schadenfreude may not see too many tomorrows. Sure, Xi’s years-long anti-corruption campaign, one that targeted both prominent “tigers” and small-time “flies,” rooted out political disloyalty within the party and sidelined potential rivals. Xi similarly enhanced his direct control over China’s armed forces, for instance by reforming China’s military reserve command structure to reduce the number of bureaucratic layers between himself and the individual soldier. Xi, too, maintains a very watchful eye on paramilitaries, which are prohibited from using force. But Xi’s geopolitical and economic mismanagement
Quote: has contributed to a genuine crisis of confidence about the party’s legitimacy, including its ability to achieve economic growth, social stability, and national unity. Xi’s myriad challenges are set to worsen on account of China’s rapidly deteriorating external environment and precipitous economic slowdown, not to mention the ongoing onslaught of Western export controls aimed at thwarting the country’s technological ambitions. Put differently, Xi appears on the cusp of confronting the very misfortunes that befell Putin. What remains unclear is whether Xi’s unique brand of party-centric nationalism and state-directed ideology, both so clearly missing from Moscow’s milieu, will be enough to salvage the China dream—or lead to its demise.
Sunday, July 2, 2023 5:40 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech. So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too? This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF thats THUGR, posting from an endless wellspring of bullshit and desire
Wednesday, July 5, 2023 7:26 PM
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Tuesday, July 11, 2023 9:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR'S wishful thinking. ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Monday, July 17, 2023 9:51 PM
Tuesday, July 25, 2023 11:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's not an uprising or a civil war or even a coup, since Prigozhin was going after shoigu, not the whole Russian government. it's being called a mutiny. I've suspected for a while that Prigozhin was off his rocker. the one thing that Russia is being very cagey about is ... how many Wagner fighters are following him? if it's a hudred, no big deal. if it's 20,000 ... well, they're hardened urban warfare specialists. ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Wednesday, August 23, 2023 1:27 PM
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Thursday, August 31, 2023 7:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: It isn't like we didn't see that coming though.
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Tuesday, August 13, 2024 10:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Omg!!! Moscow was burned to the ground!!! Putin is dead!!! ***** Too funny, indeed!
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Wednesday, August 28, 2024 2:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade. Since you're Russian, you should know.
Wednesday, August 28, 2024 3:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade. Since you're Russian, you should know. THUGR: For years I have been bashing Russia posting nonsense. Example: Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass.
Quote: Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress
Thursday, August 29, 2024 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade. Since you're Russian, you should know. THUGR: For years I have been bashing Putin, Russia. You have been defending him. So, repeat after me comrade. Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass. Look at the title of your thread: Quote: Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress It was nonsense then, and nonsense now. Just bc you repeat nonsense doesn't mean I should.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade. Since you're Russian, you should know. THUGR: For years I have been bashing Putin, Russia. You have been defending him. So, repeat after me comrade. Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass.
Thursday, August 29, 2024 5:09 PM
Tuesday, September 10, 2024 7:32 AM
Tuesday, September 10, 2024 10:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I ask you, again: Why should I repeat your nonsense? And me refusing to repeat your nonsense ... what does that prove, except I'm smart and you're stupid? In your "Kamala for President" thread, I've asked you repeatedly to explain why Kamala should be President. You still haven't made a cogent argument. All you can do is name-call and blather about Trump. Apparently, you're completely unfamiliar with the process of "thinking"! No wonder you're wrong all the time!
Tuesday, September 10, 2024 12:34 PM
Tuesday, September 10, 2024 5:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR, you're sputtering and name-calling. Again. Here's an anti-Ukraine truth: Since Kiev's army can't hit militarily relevant targets in Russia, they aim their drones at apartment buildings and grocery stores.
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