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Carbon Footprint Of Lab-Grown Beef "Orders Of Magnitude" Worse Than Traditionally Raised: Study

A new study from the University of California, Davis, has found that lab-grown, or "cultivated" meat's environmental impact is likely to be "orders of magnitude" higher than retail beef based on current and near-term production methods.

The preprint study, https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.21.537778v1.full which has yet to undergo peer review, concludes that the energy needed and greenhouse gasses emitted during all stages of production of lab-grown meat is far greater than traditionally raised beef.

Researchers conducted a life-cycle assessment of the energy needed and greenhouse gases emitted in all stages of production and compared that with beef. One of the current challenges with lab-grown meat is the use of highly refined or purified growth media, the ingredients needed to help animal cells multiply. Currently, this method is similar to the biotechnology used to make pharmaceuticals. This sets up a critical question for cultured meat production: Is it a pharmaceutical product or a food product? -UC Davis

"If companies are having to purify growth media to pharmaceutical levels, it uses more resources, which then increases global warming potential," according to lead author and doctoral graduate Derrick Risner, of the US Davis Department of Food Science and Technology. "If this product continues to be produced using the “pharma” approach, it’s going to be worse for the environment and more expensive than conventional beef production."

The scientists considered the 'global warming potential' to be the carbon dioxide equivalents emitted for each kilogram of meat produced - and found that the global warming potential of lab-based meat using these purified media is up to 25 times greater than the average for retail beef.

One of the goals of the industry is to eventually create lab-grown meat using primarily food-grade ingredients or cultures without the use of expensive and energy-intensive pharmaceutical grade ingredients and processes.

Under that scenario, researchers found cultured meat is much more environmentally competitive, but with a wide range. Cultured meat’s global warming potential could be between 80% lower to 26% above that of conventional beef production, they calculate. While these results are more promising, the leap from “pharma to food” still represents a significant technical challenge for system scale-up.

“Our findings suggest that cultured meat is not inherently better for the environment than conventional beef. It’s not a panacea,” said corresponding author Edward Spang, an associate professor in the Department of Food Science and Technology. “It’s possible we could reduce its environmental impact in the future, but it will require significant technical advancement to simultaneously increase the performance and decrease the cost of the cell culture media.”

Even the most efficient beef production systems reviewed in the study outperform cultured meat across all scenarios (both food and pharma), suggesting that investments to advance more climate-friendly beef production may yield greater reductions in emissions more quickly than investments in cultured meat.

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LOL

That graph doesn't say what vox is telling you it says.

All that's telling you is where Democrats tend to live vs. where Republicans tend to live.

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Their argument draws on an unusual feature of Montana’s constitution. Written in 1972, it reads: “The state and each person shall maintain and improve a clean and healthful environment in Montana for present and future generations.”

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They were talking about not littering, doucebag.

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The trial is being closely watched by climate advocates across the U.S. because

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If Judge Kathy Seely finds that Montana’s fossil fuel activities violate the state constitution, then the state may have to reconsider its all-in approach toward fossil fuels — though it’s uncertain how that would play out.

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No it's not. You'll have to burn coal to power your cars because electricity isn't magic, and the good people of Montana will be paying a buck per kWh.



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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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No it's not. You'll have to burn coal to power your cars because electricity isn't magic, and the good people of Montana will be paying a buck per kWh.

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proudly said he wanted no part of the clean energy transition.

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proudly said he wanted no part of the clean energy transition.

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Because "clean" energy is a fallacy in a world with 8 Billion people and growing, you dolt.

And a very expensive one at that.

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6ix, you and your Trumptards are an affliction, a time-wasting degenerate disease in the US.

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6ix, you and your Trumptards are an affliction, a time-wasting degenerate disease in the US.

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Right back at you, boy.



P.S. China had zero Covid too, and they didn't unleash it from a lab.

If you believe one lie from China, you have to believe them all. You don't get to pick and choose.

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In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free.

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Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/polarization-of-the-rich-the-new-democratic-allegiance-of-affluent-americans-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/E18D7DAE3A1EF35BA5BC54DE799F291B

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In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free.

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You're even younger than I thought. The naivety of that statement puts you at around 13 years old.

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Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy.

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Not "Biden*" voting counties. Democrat owned counties that include non-Democrat voting suburbs that surround the crime ridden, Democrat infested large cities.

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Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/polarization-of-the-rich-the-new-democratic-allegiance-of-affluent-americans-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/E18D7DAE3A1EF35BA5BC54DE799F291B

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Affluent WHITE Americans.

Democrats used to be against war, government invasion of privacy and large corporations too. Now you're sucking the dicks of neo-cons and warmongers, and running defense for Disney.

Guess we know what happened now, don't we?

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Investors are paying less for bonds linked to New York subways and buses. Downtown-focused real-estate investment trusts trade at less than half their prepandemic levels. Bondholders are demanding extra interest to hold office-building debt.

Downtowns have been a mother lode for American cities over the years, providing billions of dollars in tax revenue along with their distinctive skylines. In turn, investors who bet on downtown office towers, or on the trains and buses delivering workers to them, could generally trust they held a winning hand.

Now, with white-collar workers spending more time in their home offices, a phenomenon that shows few signs of ending, investments linked to downtowns are trading at falling prices in volatile markets.

“You could see this as a slow-motion change or as the beginning of a slow-moving train wreck,” said Richard Ciccarone, president emeritus of Merritt Research Services, a municipal credit-analysis firm. “I hope it’s not a train wreck, but it could be.”

Investors’ dimming view of downtowns isn’t good news for cities’ finances, nor for their residents. It puts under strain some of city governments’ traditional ways of extracting wealth: collecting property taxes on office buildings, taxes on wages earned within city limits, and fares from office workers’ commutes.

Residents of some cities are bracing for austerity. Many New York library branches expect to close an additional day each week under cuts proposed as the city faces rising labor costs and budget gaps projected to reach $7 billion in 2027. From New York to Chicago to San Francisco, residents and visitors complain about empty downtown streets and transit stops that have become way stations for the mentally ill and homeless.

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In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free.

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In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free.

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You're even younger than I thought. The naivety of that statement puts you at around 13 years old.

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Carbon dioxide is one of those limits to the freedom of Trumptards to do whatever they please.

There is a concept called negative liberty that Trumptards live by to their sorrow. They don't recognize the limits on what they can do and the results are very sad for them. Obesity and drunkenness because they won't recognize that they can't eat and drink whatever pleases them. Bankruptcy because they won't align their spending with their income. Divorce because they won't stay within the limits of marriage. Mental illness because they think they can have it all. Do Trumptards stay within limits once they hit the fences that limit them? No! Instead, they blame Democrats for the existence of limits. Trumptards want to tear down the fences, but Democrats didn't erect those fences and cliff edges and danger zones. The limits were always there before there were people. Carbon dioxide is one of those always there limits to the freedom of Trumptards to do whatever they please. Biology is another of those always there limits that Trumptards keep crashing into and ruining their health then not comprehending what they did wrong as they grow fatter, drunker, and more drug-addicted until their stupidity kills the Trumptards.

Negative liberty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty

6ix, because you will miss the point, people who recognize where the limits are will prosper. Those who won't pay attention to limits because limits mean they don't have enough liberty to satisfy their enormous egos, will not prosper.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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LOL, yup.

There aren't any democrats who are overweight, or drink too much, or ever got a divorce, or ever went bankrupt, or ever had any mental illness of any kind.

You're an idiot and a liar.

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LOL, yup.

There aren't any democrats who are overweight, or drink too much, or ever got a divorce, or ever went bankrupt, or ever had any mental illness of any kind.

You're an idiot and a liar.

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Idiot and a liar.

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global climate shift is happening

unfortunately TPTB 'Great Resetters', who would force deprivation on the world that they themselves would never have to experience (what? give up private jets

ban private jets, and raise air fare for all classes of passengers to reduce air travel

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on a related note, we need to stop using so much plastic bc we now live in the 'plasticene' era

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on a related note, we need to stop using so much plastic bc we now live in the 'plasticene' era

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Industry switched from glass bottles to plastic because it was cheaper. Airplanes will not switch from fossil fuels to hydrogen and synthetic fuels made with atmospheric carbon because it is cheaper to not change. Being a cheapskate will end with us dead. The opposition claims that since climate change is a Chinese hoax, there is no reason to be other than a cheapskate.

https://www.google.com/search?q=climate+change+is+a+Chinese+hoax

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Yeah, capitalism sucks, doesn't it?

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The multibillion-dollar private equity firm Welsh, Carson, Anderson & Stowe took less than a year to create, from scratch, Colorado’s biggest and most prominent anesthesiology practice. The financiers created a company, U.S. Anesthesia Partners, which in 2015 bought the largest anesthesiology group in the Denver region. Then it bought the next largest. Then it bought a few more....The Federal Trade Commission, which is supposed to prevent unfair business practices, questioned the company’s growth but did not stop it. The company raised prices for its services — one by nearly 30 percent in its first year in Colorado — and continued raising them for several years, according to interviews and confidential company documents obtained by The Washington Post.

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Capitalists hate anything that cuts into their profits, like competition. They try to eliminate competition wherever it rears its ugly head.

The other thing they hate is actual... yanno.. manufacturing. If rate of return is the only metric, then financialism is more profitable.

So capitalism inevitably ends in monopoly financialism. If money didn't corrupt the media and politics, maybe there would be some redress, but right now America is in the grip of an oligarchy.

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The first widespread public attention to the unsafe practices of the meatpacking industry came in 1898, when the press reported that Armour & Co., had supplied tons of rotten canned beef to the U.S. Army in Cuba during the Spanish-American War. The meat had been packed in tins along with a visible layer of boric acid, which was thought to act as a preservative and was used to mask the stench of the rotten meat. Troops who consumed the meat fell ill, becoming unfit for combat, and some died. Roosevelt, who served in Cuba as a colonel, testified in 1899 that he would have eaten his old hat as soon as eat what he called “embalmed beef.”

The canned meat scandal prompted Thomas F. Dolan, a former superintendent for Armour & Co., to sign an affidavit noting the ineffectiveness of government inspectors and stating that the company’s common practice was to pack and sell “carrion.” The New York Journal published Dolan’s statement on March 4, 1899. The Senate then formed the Pure-Food Investigating Committee, which held hearings in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York City from 1899 to 1900. The committee declared such common meat preservatives as borax, salicylic acid, and formaldehyde to be “unwholesome.” The press also reported from the committee’s hearings that some of the nation’s food supply was adulterated—made impure by the addition of foreign or inferior substances. These concerns were in addition to the health problems posed by the packaging of substandard or condemned meat products.

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Capitalists hate anything that cuts into their profits, like competition. They try to eliminate competition wherever it rears its ugly head.

The other thing they hate is actual... yanno.. manufacturing. If rate of return is the only metric, then financialism is more profitable.

So capitalism inevitably ends in monopoly financialism. If money didn't corrupt the media and politics, maybe there would be some redress, but right now America is in the grip of an oligarchy.

SECOND : The way to stop Capitalists from murdering everybody is to kick their asses. For one famous example that I picked because it is so disgusting:

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The first widespread public attention to the unsafe practices of the meatpacking industry came in 1898, when the press reported that Armour & Co., had supplied tons of rotten canned beef to the U.S. Army in Cuba during the Spanish-American War. The meat had been packed in tins along with a visible layer of boric acid, which was thought to act as a preservative and was used to mask the stench of the rotten meat. Troops who consumed the meat fell ill, becoming unfit for combat, and some died....

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Signym, there was an 8-year gap between testimony about rotten meat and making a law against selling such meat. Was there a justification for the long delay? Obviously, everybody has got to eat, so we cannot forbid embalmed beef! So far there has been about a 40-year gap between testimony that CO2 will kill us all and making a law forbidding it. The same kind of justification is used as was with the embalmed beef, everybody needs energy, so we cannot forbid burning coal, oil, gasoline, jet fuel.

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as long as you maintain goals that are mutally exclusive (i.e warmomgering v fighting climate change; supporting the DNC v solving america's problems; expecting progress from monopolism ) you'll continue to torture logic and objectivity trying to rationlize irrationality.

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as long as you maintain goals that are mutally exclusive (i.e warmomgering v fighting climate change; supporting the DNC v solving america's problems; expecting progress from monopolism ) you'll continue to torture logic and objectivity trying to rationlize irrationality.

SECOND: Let me pick one of your complaints about me: Warmonger. The Russians have murdered 4 million Ukrainians...

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So, back to the issue at hand: you can't be a warmonger and say you're fighting global climate change, and you can't expect progress from monopolies and oligarchs.

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1) HEY, Nazis killed 6 million Jews, a million other Europeans and 25 million Russians.
I have an idea! Let's go kill us some Germans!


2) Or here's another one: Americans killed an estimated 9-15 million natives in the course of N America's conquest. Let's kill us some Americans!


3) Yanno, you can't redress historic injustices. The individuals responsible for them ARE DEAD. And most definitely, you can't achieve peace thru war, unless you want to kill everyone and achieve the peace of a graveyard.

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1) HEY, Nazis killed 6 million Jews, a million other Europeans and 25 million Russians.
I have an idea! Let's go kill us some Germans!


2) Or here's another one: Americans killed an estimated 9-15 million natives in the course of N America's conquest. Let's kill us some Americans!


3) Yanno, you can't redress historic injustices. The individuals responsible for them ARE DEAD. And most definitely, you can't achieve peace thru war, unless you want to kill everyone and achieve the peace of a graveyard.

SECOND: 1) Germany already received its punishment when 7 million Germans were killed.

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SECOND: 2) What killed 90% of Native Americans?
They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans.

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SECOND: 3) During the Civil War, the Confederates, unlike the Germans, did NOT receive the death sentences they earned. Seven million dead Confederates
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to pay. Instead, slave-owning President Andrew Johnson pardoned the Confederates because he and they were on the same side. This is the real reason why Critical Race Theory is attacked by Neo-Confederates.

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CRT is a reminder the old Confederates did NOT pay even 1% of what they* should have paid for all the destruction the Confederates caused.

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