Countdown Clock, Trump Going to Jail by THG

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Saturday, December 3, 2022 4:10 PM

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Supreme Court again rejects Trump’s bid to shield tax returns, other financial records from Manhattan prosecutor

The Supreme Court on Monday rejected former president Donald Trump’s last-chance effort to keep his private financial records from the Manhattan district attorney, ending a long and drawn-out legal battle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-again-rejects-tr
ump-s-bid-to-shield-tax-returns-other-financial-records-from-manhattan-prosecutor/ar-BB1dUinR?ocid=msedgntp

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Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) says that congressional investigators are currently going through former President Trump's tax returns and they may release some details to the public.

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Saturday, December 3, 2022 4:12 PM

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In other words, Trump isn't going to jail ever, just like Hillary isn't going to jail, ever.

Thanks for corroborating my interpretation.

SECOND: The Confederate blah blah blah .... The legal system has NEVER actually worked the way I was taught it is presumed to work
All I have to do is look at the way the Japanese were imprisoned during WWII to know that our justice system doesn't work they way we were taught.

Your post is yet ANOTHER way of admitting that Trump will never go to jail, and neither will Hillary. Stop making my point for me. This is a dead thread about a pointless topic.

You and Hillary can thank your lucky stars for our justice system.

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Saturday, December 3, 2022 4:41 PM

Trump will be fine.

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Sunday, December 4, 2022 5:23 PM

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Sunday, December 4, 2022 6:05 PM

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Sunday, December 4, 2022 6:44 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Reversal Of Long-Standing Policy Keeps Key Documents On Hunter Biden’s Business From Congress

Authored by Mark Tapscott via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),

Congressional investigators are being denied access to 148 Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) filed with the Department of the Treasury by banks concerning financial dealings of President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, and brother, Jim, according to incoming House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).

“Most Americans have never heard the term ‘Suspicious Activity Reports.’ These are actual reports that financial institutions file with the Treasury Department when they see suspicious activity,” Jordan told Epoch TV’s Joshua Phillip in an interview for the “Newsmakers” program.

“Typically, it’s money laundering type of activity, so most Americans don’t get these. Or if they do, there is a good reason for it. But there are 150 of them on Hunter Biden and Jim Biden, the President’s brother, and that to me is a big concern,” Jordan said.

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/reversal-long-standing-policy-keep
s-key-documents-hunter-bidens-business-congress

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Sunday, December 4, 2022 6:56 PM

The media keeps trying to talk about Trump's tax returns that are going to go nowhere like they've gone the last 6 years because Joe Biden* and family are fucked.

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Monday, December 5, 2022 8:41 AM

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Reversal Of Long-Standing Policy Keeps Key Documents On Hunter Biden’s Business From Congress

Authored by Mark Tapscott via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),

Congressional investigators are being denied access to 148 Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) filed with the Department of the Treasury by banks concerning financial dealings of President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, and brother, Jim, according to incoming House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).

“Most Americans have never heard the term ‘Suspicious Activity Reports.’ These are actual reports that financial institutions file with the Treasury Department when they see suspicious activity,” Jordan told Epoch TV’s Joshua Phillip in an interview for the “Newsmakers” program.

“Typically, it’s money laundering type of activity, so most Americans don’t get these. Or if they do, there is a good reason for it. But there are 150 of them on Hunter Biden and Jim Biden, the President’s brother, and that to me is a big concern,” Jordan said.

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/reversal-long-standing-policy-keep
s-key-documents-hunter-bidens-business-congress

Poor comrade signym. Once again she must turn to zerohedge for a quote. As always happens, they, trolls and republicans, cry wolf when there is not much or anything at all there.

Meanwhile, they are working overtime to protect the worst of the worst, Trump and Putin to name two. That comes across clear as day with every post.

They are despicable, rotten to their cores.

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Monday, December 5, 2022 1:10 PM

The jury has begun deliberations in the Trump Organization tax-fraud trial in Manhattan — but first, jurors were reminded of their promise to set aside any bias they may have against former President Donald Trump or his company.

"Jurors, you will recall that during jury selection, you promised that you would set aside any personal opinions or biases you may have against Donald Trump or his family," they were instructed by New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan, who has presided over the six-week trial.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/deliberations-have-started-in-
the-trump-organization-tax-fraud-trial-and-the-judge-told-jurors-to-set-aside-any-trump-biases/ar-AA14VKaR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a73cce838f5b44d38959299d19b303be

This is a civil trial not a criminal one, but it looks as though a criminal trial will follow.

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Monday, December 5, 2022 8:09 PM

Manhattan DA Hires Ex-DOJ Official to Help Lead Trump Investigation

The Manhattan district attorney is hiring a former senior justice department official with a history of taking on Donald J. Trump and his family business, as the office seeks to ramp up its investigation into the former president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/manhattan-da-hires-ex-doj-official-t
o-help-lead-trump-investigation/ar-AA14VG5e?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c4f072a2098439c9a9f414f63e5548a

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Monday, December 5, 2022 8:35 PM

Trump reportedly paid money to key witnesses in Mar-a-Lago, Fla. confidential documents case

Story by Daniel Stewart • 43m ago

Former U.S. President Donald Trump's political action committee (PAC) reportedly paid money to some witnesses involved in the Justice Department's investigation into whether the former president illegally withheld confidential state documents after leaving the presidency, 'The Washington Post' has reported.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-reportedly-paid-money-to
-key-witnesses-in-mar-a-lago-fla-confidential-documents-case/ar-AA14WSkW?cvid=4f6b65b792e344dbba596fadb49a6c68&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover

This shit just keeps getting better.

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Monday, December 5, 2022 11:19 PM

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Trump reportedly paid money to key witnesses in Mar-a-Lago, Fla. confidential documents case

Story by Daniel Stewart • 43m ago

Former U.S. President Donald Trump's political action committee (PAC) reportedly paid money to some witnesses involved in the Justice Department's investigation into whether the former president illegally withheld confidential state documents after leaving the presidency, 'The Washington Post' has reported.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-reportedly-paid-money-to
-key-witnesses-in-mar-a-lago-fla-confidential-documents-case/ar-AA14WSkW?cvid=4f6b65b792e344dbba596fadb49a6c68&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover

This shit just keeps getting better.

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Wow dude. I know it's hard for you, but did you actually read past the first paragraph of that article?

I bet you the pink slip on my car this one goes nowhere.

Democrats are only around still in 2022 because there are people in this country that are even stupider than you are. A lot of them.

Trump will be fine.

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 12:12 PM

US Courts Just Ruled Against Donald Trump In Georgia Case

Donald Trump’s legal woes are going from bad to worse, as he’s just been hit with another bombshell; this time as a spate of court rulings have rejected claims by the former president and some of his allies for executive privilege preventing them from testifying in court. Omg!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-courts-just-ruled-against-d
onald-trump-in-georgia-case/ar-AA14XJjp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e821d861cbc34290915259d018f503e4

Figured it would.

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 3:57 PM

OMG!

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 5:50 PM

How Trump Org's tax fraud conviction could bar Trump from federal contracts, even for Secret Service

The Trump Organization was found criminally liable of tax fraud on Tuesday after a six-week trial.
The conviction could ban Trump from doing business with the federal government.

A ban could end his 'exorbitant' billing of Secret Service agents who protect him at his resorts.
Donald Trump's real-estate and golf-resort empire was found guilty on Tuesday for tax crimes committed by the company's two top financial executives, a verdict that followed a six-week trial in state court in Manhattan.

The Trump Organization now faces up to $1.6 million in penalities when it's sentenced on January 13. But there's another threatened cost, and it's something government spending watchdogs have been urging for years.

The conviction could prompt the government to bar the Trump Organization from doing business as a federal contractor, including cutting off the spigot of Trump's lucrative — and critics say exorbitant — billing of Secret Service agents who stay at his properties while protecting the former president and his family.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-trump-org-s-tax-fraud-conv
iction-could-bar-trump-from-federal-contracts-even-for-secret-service/ar-AA13hQ25?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=04ef13f0ffb44738858dd3425a542d72

This is fun aye Jack? Pay close attention to the last paragraph.

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 6:48 PM

It is fun. Who cares about the last paragraph? I'm sure Trump doesn't.

Meanwhile, have you ever spent three minutes of your life looking into Hunter's laptop leaks and the stuff regarding his father? I bet you haven't.

You should.

It's far worse than anything they've told you that Trump ever did. And it's undeniable.

If you ever get around to looking into it and realizing what they're hiding from you by keeping your mind stuffed full of Trump and Putin, it just may make you question what else they've been hiding from you.

And I think you just may possibly be smart enough to realize that and be just a little terrified about the world you think you live in shattering around you.

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno,one of the things that tells me the deep state still sees Trump as a threat is the hard-on they still have for him. They aren't going after DeSantis bc foreign policy- wise he falls in line with the establishment.

Any President tries to change foreign policy, challenge the deep state and control the CIA/StateDept gets axed. Look at what happened to the Kennedys.

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Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:28 PM

Yup. If I were Trump, or Elon Musk for that matter, I'd be really cautious when going outside.

In fact, Elon Musk has recently said that his days of doing signings in public are over.

Can't say I blame him.

He's also reminds everybody that he's not suicidal on Twitter quite frequently these days from what I gather too.

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 7:00 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

By design, courts are slow everywhere in the world. Why should the US be different?

Yesterday, a court in Argentina sentenced Vice-President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner to six years in jail for corruption. Eleven other people were on trial. Seven were found guilty and sentenced to between three and a half and six years in prison, three were released and one had their case dismissed.

Prosecutors said Fernández de Kirchner had led an unlawful partnership during the time when she was president of Argentina from 2007 to 2015. They said she had created a kickback scheme that steered lucrative public work contracts towards a friend of hers in return for bribes. Prior to the ruling, she had accused the prosecutors of lying and slandering her. Speaking after the verdict, she described herself as the victim of a "judicial mafia".

Even though she has been found guilty and sentenced to a jail term, Ms Fernández de Kirchner will not be sent to prison immediately.

As the head of the senate, she enjoys a degree of immunity which means that she will be able to remain free and continue in her post while she appeals against the verdict all the way to the Supreme Court.

As the appeal process could take years, she is expected to be able to run again for the senate or even for the presidency in the 2023 election.

It is the first time ever that a vice-president has been convicted of a crime while in office in Argentina.

More at https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63872953

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 8:58 AM

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The Trump Organization Was Convicted After a Truly Embarrassing Defense

Trump’s lawyers acted like buffoons, but those are the only kind that will work for him after he underpaid much better lawyers because Trump was “dissatisfied”.

As of Tuesday afternoon, Donald Trump’s company is a convicted felon. The result comes courtesy of the jury in the criminal trial of the Trump Organization, which found Trump’s namesake company guilty on all 17 counts of the indictment.

The Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, pled guilty in August, which, given the way that corporate criminal liability works, dramatically simplified the case against Trump.

Ordinarily, a corporate defense in this scenario would face extraordinarily long odds, and most companies (at least the ones with competent counsel and non-crazy clients) would have settled. That is because corporations are typically criminally liable for the criminal activities of their employees, assuming that the conduct at issue was intended — at least in part — to benefit the company. Once you have a guilty plea from a corporate employee, the company has very limited remaining lines of defense. You can accuse the employee of lying to save himself, perhaps, or try to argue that the conduct was not intended to benefit the company, but these are generally not great arguments.

The Trump’s lawyers reportedly pushed hard to argue that Weisselberg was acting solely in his self-interest — purely to lower his personal tax liability — but this made almost no sense in the context of the particular criminal scheme here. That is because if Weisselberg simply wanted more money, he could have lobbied for a higher salary, but the scheme he and others at the company settled on saved both him and the Trump Organization money. As one of the prosecutors explained, this was “by far the most significant benefit” to the company, which paid Weisselberg less as he managed to net about a million dollars over the course of the scheme. According to the DA’s office, the company would have had to pay about $3.5 million if Weisselberg’s benefits had been accurately reported to tax authorities.

Trump’s lawyer, van der Veen, requested a mistrial at one point after a series of objections during closing arguments, which, according to the Times, visibly annoyed the jurors, “with a few shaking their heads and glancing at their watches.” (Also something to avoid!) Trump’s lawyers were also repeatedly reprimanded by the judge for misstating the law, did weird impressions of witnesses, and made strange puns. When it was van der Veen’s turn to deliver his closing, he “approached the lectern, paused and then shouted: ‘Weisselberg did it for Weisselberg’” — an apparent and now clearly failed effort to devise a catchphrase for the main defense theme, but one that could probably have been delivered effectively without shouting at the people you are trying to persuade.

Granted, Trump’s lawyers did not have much to work with, but there is respectable lawyering and then there is buffoonery, and this was not respectable lawyering.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/trump-organization-convicted-o
n-all-counts-in-criminal-trial.html

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:06 AM

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Rudy Giuliani’s 5 Worst Excuses From His Attorney-Misconduct Hearing

During the hearings, Giuliani also inadvertently underscored that his mental focus isn’t what it once was. At one point, he looked at his wrist and remarked with surprise, “You know I have two watches on?”

Giuliani also said he believes he has been unfairly “persecuted for years” over his involvement in Trump’s attempt to steal the election, adding on Tuesday, “I am shocked and offended this is happening to me.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/rudy-giuliani-dc-law-license-h
earing-excuses.html

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:42 AM

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 12:24 PM

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Yanno,one of the things that tells me the deep state still sees Trump as a threat is the hard-on they still have for him. They aren't going after DeSantis bc foreign policy- wise he falls in line with the establishment.

Any President tries to change foreign policy, challenge the deep state and control the CIA/StateDept gets axed. Look at what happened to the Kennedys.

I can't get over how stupid you are comrade. It's why I call you always wrong. Because you are, you are always wrong.

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 1:36 PM

Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse

Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse

Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse

Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-trapped-in-legal-
nightmare-that-s-about-to-get-worse/ar-AA150TsE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=185e81365dd34f5c928a6c0a0af55418

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 6:06 PM

Trump's team recovered more classified documents in search of storage unit

Former President Donald Trump had an outside team conduct a deeper search for any government documents at four properties which turned up at least two more documents marked classified, ABC News has confirmed according to sources familiar with the matter.

The documents were recovered at a storage unit that is owned by the federal government, and maintained by the General Services Administration (GSA) in West Palm Beach, Florida, the sources told ABC News.

The Department of Justice has been notified of the documents' existence.

MORE: Trump special master overturned by appeals court in Mar-a-Lago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-team-recovered-more-cl
assified-documents-in-search-of-storage-unit/ar-AA151Ium?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c41593af066e422aa9ae51b454c402e4

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 6:31 PM

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Trump's team recovered more classified documents in search of storage unit

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-team-recovered-more-cl
assified-documents-in-search-of-storage-unit/ar-AA151Ium?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c41593af066e422aa9ae51b454c402e4

You should read the whole story, but Trump is bonkers:

Classified Documents Found in Trump Search of Storage Site

by Maggie Haberman, Alan Feuer

The discovery came as series of searches were conducted by a team hired by the former president, after a federal judge directed his lawyers to look for any materials still in his possession.

Dec. 7, 2022 Updated 1:54 p.m. ET

Former President Donald J. Trump hired people to search four properties after being directed by a federal judge to look harder for any classified material still in his possession, and they found at least two documents with classified markings inside a sealed box in one of the locations, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Mr. Trump’s search team discovered the documents at a federally run storage site in West Palm Beach, Fla., the person said, prompting his lawyers to notify the Justice Department about them.

The New York Times reported in October that Justice Department officials had told the former president’s lawyers that they believed he might have more classified materials that were not returned in response to a subpoena issued in May. The F.B.I. searched Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida, in August for additional classified documents and other presidential records.

People close to Mr. Trump had said earlier on Wednesday that no classified material had been found during the searches, a claim that was later proved incorrect. The Washington Post first reported on the locating of the two additional documents, as well as the searches of the properties.

After the warning from the Justice Department, a debate ensued among Mr. Trump’s lawyers about whether to bring in an independent firm to conduct a search.

The discovery of the documents at the storage unit, maintained by the federal General Services Administration, came during a series of wider searches that were completed around Thanksgiving and conducted at Mr. Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J.; at Trump Tower in New York; and in a storage closet at Mar-a-Lago, according to two people familiar with the events.

Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, said in a statement that the former president and “his counsel continue to be cooperative and transparent, despite the unprecedented, illegal and unwarranted attack against President Trump and his family by the weaponized Department of Justice.”

The department is investigating the former president’s handling of thousands of government documents, including more than 300 classified ones, that were taken from the White House at the end of his term and were found at Mar-a-Lago. Prosecutors are also seeking to determine whether Mr. Trump obstructed the government’s repeated efforts to retrieve the materials.

When the Justice Department warned that it believed Mr. Trump still had documents in his possession, a lawyer whom he had hired a short time earlier, Christopher M. Kise, suggested along with other lawyers working for Mr. Trump that they engage an outside firm, according to people familiar with the events.

A cadre of other Trump lawyers were resistant to the idea; among them was Boris Epshteyn, a communications adviser who has positioned himself as an in-house counsel on some of Mr. Trump’s legal entanglements. The dispute led to Mr. Kise’s standing in Mr. Trump’s circle diminishing for weeks, according to several people close to the former president.

More recently, Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell of Federal District Court in Washington, who oversees grand jury investigations, directed Mr. Trump’s lawyers essentially to search more carefully for any remaining documents. Other lawyers in Mr. Trump’s circle took on the issue and hired a firm, according to one of the people familiar with the matter.

But while the Justice Department had continued to have questions about documents that might remain at Mar-a-Lago — and while some people close to Mr. Trump believed another search warrant might be executed — a person familiar with the discussions among federal officials said there was no recent probable cause by which to obtain a warrant for Bedminster or Trump Tower.

The National Archives repeatedly asked last year about the status of some materials that it should have received, such as correspondence with Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, as well as about two dozen boxes that were deemed presidential records at the end of Mr. Trump’s term.

Archives officials contacted several people to try to facilitate the return of the documents, including former White House Counsel’s Office lawyers working as Mr. Trump’s representatives with the agency. The former president maintained to several advisers that the boxes were filled with news clippings and personal effects; archives officials explained that news clippings can be considered presidential records.

Alex Cannon, a lawyer who had worked with Mr. Trump in various capacities, became involved last fall and tried to help archives officials retrieve the material.

Mr. Cannon warned others in Mr. Trump’s circle not to go through the boxes themselves because it was unclear what was in them, and people might require security clearances. At one point, as Mr. Trump sought National Archives documents related to the investigation into whether his 2016 campaign conspired with Russian officials, he proposed that his lawyers suggest a trade with the agency: what he sought in exchange for the documents he had.

The lawyers declined to engage that suggestion, and Mr. Cannon continued to try to push for the documents’ return to the archives.

Eric Herschmann, a lawyer who had worked as a top adviser in the Trump White House, had an informal conversation with Mr. Trump. People familiar with the discussion characterized it as Mr. Herschmann speaking as a friend and urging the former president to return the boxes, suggesting that he could be subject to legal trouble by keeping them, especially if they contained classified material.

That possibility became reality in January, after archives officials retrieved boxes that Mr. Trump had gone through over several days last December. The officials opened the boxes and discovered a number of classified documents. The Justice Department became involved.

When Mr. Cannon raised the prospect with Mr. Trump that officials were uncertain that they had everything returned, the former president told him to tell the officials that he had given everything back, according to people briefed on the matter. Mr. Cannon refused to do so, and soon stopped being involved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/07/us/politics/trump-classified-docume
nts-search.html

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 8:28 PM

I don't really post entire articles. It's a waste of space if it isn't going to get read. Therefore, I post titles and at most a paragraph of two.

If someone wants to read it, it is there for them to do so. Because I do not generally post the whole thing doesn't mean I haven't read it myself.

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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 8:45 PM

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I don't really post entire articles. It's a waste of space if it isn't going to get read. Therefore, I post titles and at most a paragraph of two.

If someone wants to read it, it is there for them to do so. Because I do not generally post the whole thing doesn't mean I haven't read it myself.

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The NYTimes version had a different emphasis than the article you pointed to. The NYTimes made it obvious that Trump was bonkers enough to be telling his lawyers to lie to the Federal government. The lawyers refused to lie, which made the lawyers useless to Trump. If this goes to trial, that will be evidence against Trump, except Trump will take it to Supreme Court to stop his lawyer from being subpoenaed, which leaves the prosecution to call a witness that was there when Trump asked the lawyer to lie. Everything goes around and around in a wobbly circle month after month, never getting anywhere closer to a decision about Trump.

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Thursday, December 8, 2022 1:55 AM

Nobody with half a brain believes anything the NYT has to say anymore.

Trump isn't guilty of anything you believe he is, and Trump will be fine.

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Thursday, December 8, 2022 7:22 AM

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Nobody with half a brain believes anything the NYT has to say anymore.

Trump isn't guilty of anything you believe he is, and Trump will be fine.

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I think you are in denial about Trump having top secret documents in Mar-a-Lago. What Trump is saying is that those top secret documents are NOT top secret because he declassified them. Therefore Trump claims he can't be prosecuted. A better line of defense would be to declare that having top secret documents should not be a crime, especially for Trump. But the law doesn't allow an exception for Trump.

Maybe Biden can pardon Trump, making this legal problem go away? Maybe Trump should ask for a pardon? Maybe Biden will ease away Trump's worries? Trump will be fine because Biden is his friend!

What is the penalty for taking top secret documents?

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

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Thursday, December 8, 2022 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody with half a brain believes anything the NYT has to say anymore.

Trump isn't guilty of anything you believe he is, and Trump will be fine.

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I think you are in denial about Trump having top secret documents in Mar-a-Lago. What Trump is saying is that those top secret documents are NOT top secret because he declassified them. Therefore Trump claims he can't be prosecuted. A better line of defense would be to declare that having top secret documents should not be a crime, especially for Trump. But the law doesn't allow an exception for Trump.

Maybe Biden can pardon Trump, making this legal problem go away? Maybe Trump should ask for a pardon? Maybe Biden will ease away Trump's worries? Trump will be fine because Biden is his friend!

What is the penalty for taking top secret documents?

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

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I didn't hear you having any problems with all of the Top Secret documents that the Obama family have in their possession.

But that's because the Legacy Media never told you to have an opinion about all of the Top Secret documents that the Obama family have in their possession.

Get Jimmy Carter on the phone before he dies of Covid. Let's find out what juicy Top Secret secrets that old dog has in his attic about Panama.

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Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:24 PM

Jacks=ass above post responding to your post second is a lie. He claims Obama and Jimmy Carter stole documents as a way to defend Trump for doing so. They did nothing of the kind. So, on the one hand he is admitting what Trump did is wrong. On the other he shows us the only defence of Trumps behavior is to lie.

tick tock

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Friday, December 9, 2022 9:48 AM

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Jacks=ass above post responding to your post second is a lie. He claims Obama and Jimmy Carter stole documents as a way to defend Trump for doing so. They did nothing of the kind. So, on the one hand he is admitting what Trump did is wrong. On the other he shows us the only defence of Trumps behavior is to lie.

tick tock

T

At work I have to show, not tell, the Trumptards what to do because they can't understand maintenance manuals, which they complain aren't practical. In other words, words in the manuals don't penetrate a Trumptard's thick skull. It is no surprise that Trumptards get confused about politics, which is all words all the time. The concepts being tossed around in politics are misunderstood by the Trumptards like 6ixStringJack because the words, to be understood by them, require them to build a picture inside their brains about what the words are describing, but Trumptards cannot do it properly. Whatever distorted picture they have inside their head of Trump does not at all look like him because their picture is missing crucial pieces of Trump's behavior.

If a documentary film crew had recorded Trump's behavior, his voters, at least the smarter ones, would likely understand and then reject him. But since Trump's voters only have written words from the news, they obviously don't understand. This takes us back to the maintenance manuals which is why I have to demonstrate, in person, what is written in the manuals, since the Trump-voting Trumptard employees don't understand written words the way they should.

Trumptards aren't all stupid, but they do have political dyslexia and that makes their life hard.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dyslexia/symptoms-cause
s/syc-20353552

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Friday, December 9, 2022 11:29 AM

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Jacks=ass above post responding to your post second is a lie. He claims Obama and Jimmy Carter stole documents as a way to defend Trump for doing so. They did nothing of the kind. So, on the one hand he is admitting what Trump did is wrong. On the other he shows us the only defence of Trumps behavior is to lie.

tick tock

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Not a lie.

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 1:17 PM

Allen Weisselberg could get more time since the Trump Org guilty verdict required jurors to find he lied

Only one person, ex-CFO Allen Weisselberg, is going to jail for the Trump Org. tax-fraud scheme.

Ex-Manhattan financial-crimes prosecutors say he could now face more time than his five-month deal.

A judge could rule Weisselberg violated the deal because jurors, by their verdict, found he lied.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/allen-weisselberg-could-get-mo
re-time-since-the-trump-org-guilty-verdict-required-jurors-to-find-he-lied/ar-AA15nt9e?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=521750f6e23d479da987feaf045f7226

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 6:20 PM

Georgia Grand Jury's Trump Probe Nears End

ATLANTA—A criminal investigation into former President Donald Trump‘s efforts to overturn his election defeat in Georgia has produced a flurry of activity in the last month, with several high-profile witnesses appearing before a special grand jury that is now nearing its end, according to a person familiar with the matter.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-grand-jury-s-trump-pro
be-nears-end/ar-AA15nT7W?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1610def814914e939e184633b9fdb3e6

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Saturday, December 17, 2022 6:27 PM

Yup. Tick Tock to nothing again.

Do you have any plans on retiring this thread in the future Ted? Trump ain't ever going to jail.

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Monday, December 19, 2022 9:13 AM

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Yup. Tick Tock to nothing again.

Do you have any plans on retiring this thread in the future Ted? Trump ain't ever going to jail.

It is very sad what has happened to Trump. Trump’s need for attention hasn’t dwindled since he left office, but he is not getting it. Instead, he slowly melts into a puddle of fat:

On a typical day since leaving office, advisers said, Trump gets up early, makes phone calls, watches television and reads some newspapers. Then, six days a week, he plays 18 or sometimes 27 holes of golf at one of his courses. After lunch, he changes into a suit from his golf shirt and slacks and shows up in the office above the Mar-a-Lago ballroom or, when he is in New Jersey, a similar office in a cottage near the Bedminster club’s pool.

By evening, Trump emerges for dinner, surrounded most nights by adoring club members who stand and applaud at his appearance; they stand and applaud again after he finishes his meal and retires for the night. He often orders special meals from the kitchen and spends time curating the music wafting over the crowd, frequently pushing for the volume to be raised or lowered based on his mood. In the Oval Office, Trump had a button he could push to summon an aide to bring him a Diet Coke or snacks. Now, he just yells out commands to whichever employee is in earshot.

At times, Trump makes unannounced visits at weddings, gala benefits and other events being hosted by paying customers in Mar-a-Lago’s ballroom, basking as attendees mob him for selfies. He has also attended fundraisers there; many Republican candidates have paid Trump to use his club as a venue at which to raise campaign funds.

“There are no protocols. He plays golf. He meets with people in the afternoon. He really doesn’t do a lot of consequence most days,” one person in his orbit said.

When Donald Trump invited the rapper formerly known as Kanye West and white supremacist Nick Fuentes to join him for dinner on the patio of his Florida club last month, the former president had no chief of staff or senior aide at his side.

There was no scheduler, either, nor a press aide. Only one person staffed Trump at the gathering with antisemites that drew days of denunciations: Walt Nauta, a cook and military valet in the Trump White House who is now employed as an all-purpose gofer for the former president and who ushered the group to the table before leaving them alone to talk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/18/trump-life
-after-presidency/

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Wednesday, December 21, 2022 9:04 AM

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Updated the 2nd post in the Impeachment Countdown Clock thread to point to this one.

It will be quite funny looking at both clocks still ticking away the seconds another 3 years from now.

Know what else is funny. All these kiss asses are gone. And moron, working for Trump left a stain on all of them. Ruined their reputations. Trumps next to go. All gone in less than one term. Most gone for a long time now. Telling folks, very telling.

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It's Tax Day for Trump. Too funny...

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Wednesday, December 21, 2022 9:09 AM

It is funny. The IRS already knows what's in them.

Trump will be fine, and Democrats are pathetic.

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 2:59 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It is funny. The IRS already knows what's in them.

Trump will be fine, and Democrats are pathetic.

Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden accused the IRS of being “asleep at the wheel” and said its presidential audit system is “broken.” In a statement, Wyden said, “There is no justification for the failure to conduct the required presidential audits until a congressional inquiry was made.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20221222173552/https://www.forbes.com/site
s/brianbushard/2022/12/21/trump-paid-0-in-taxes-in-2020-heres-what-to-know-about-his-tax-returns/

The House Ways and Means Committee issued a report claiming the IRS did not properly audit Trump during his first two years in office, something it’s required to do for all sitting presidents. According to the House report, the IRS had only started an audit two years into Trump’s presidency and had not completed any while he was in office, with Committee Chair Richard Neal (D-Mass.) calling the audit program “dormant.”

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2022.12.20%20Final%20Report%20House%20Ways%20and%20Means.pdf

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Friday, December 23, 2022 7:07 AM

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I.R.S. Routinely Audited Obama and Biden, Raising Questions Over Delays for Trump

By Charlie Savage, Alan Rappeport

The revelation that the agency had not audited Donald J. Trump during his first two years in office despite a mandatory presidential audit program raised concerns about potential politicization.

WASHINGTON — The I.R.S. subjected both President Donald J. Trump’s predecessor and his successor to annual audits of their tax returns once they took office, spokespeople for Barack Obama and President Biden said on Wednesday, intensifying questions about how Mr. Trump escaped such scrutiny until Democrats in the House started inquiring.

Late Tuesday, a House committee revealed that the I.R.S. failed to audit Mr. Trump during his first two years in office despite a rule that states that “the individual tax returns for the president and the vice president are subject to mandatory review.” But its report left unclear whether that lapse reflected general dysfunction or whether Mr. Trump received special treatment.

The disclosure of routine audits of Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden during their time in office suggested that the agency’s treatment of Mr. Trump was an aberration.

“I’m absolutely flabbergasted,” said Nina E. Olson, the national taxpayer advocate from 2001 to 2019. “It’s disturbing. You have a process where you’re auditing the president, you better be auditing the president.”

Reports issued by the Ways and Means Committee, which obtained Mr. Trump’s tax data last month after a yearslong legal battle, said the I.R.S. had initiated its first audit of one of his filings as president in April 2019, the same day that Representative Richard E. Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts and the committee’s chairman, had inquired about the matter.

The I.R.S. has yet to complete that audit, the report added, and the agency started auditing filings covering Mr. Trump’s income while president only after he left office. Even after the agency belatedly started looking, it assigned only a single agent to examine Mr. Trump’s returns, going up against a large team of lawyers and accountants who objected when the I.R.S. added two more people to help.

The committee’s discovery that the I.R.S. flouted its rules is bringing new scrutiny to concerns about potential politicization at the I.R.S. during the Trump administration and spurring calls for the inspector general that oversees the agency to investigate what went wrong. It has also raised questions about why the I.R.S. devoted so few resources to auditing Mr. Trump, who, as a business mogul, had far more complicated tax filings than any previous president.

Under Mr. Trump, the I.R.S. was run for most of 2017 by a commissioner appointed by Mr. Obama, John Koskinen, and — after about 11 months being overseen by an acting head, David J. Kautter — a successor appointed by Mr. Trump, Charles P. Rettig. None ensured that the agency followed its rules requiring presidential audits.

Mr. Rettig, who left in October, said in an email on Wednesday evening that he did not attempt to intervene in Mr. Trump’s audit.

“I am not aware of any taxpayer receiving special treatment at any time, before or during my term as commissioner,” he said. “Further, at no time did I make, nor am I aware that anyone else made, any decision to somehow limit resources available to conduct examinations under the mandatory examination process.”

He added: “I had no involvement in the process of selecting for examination or the conduct of an examination of any return regarding any taxpayer.”

Mr. Koskinen said that his only involvement in Mr. Trump’s tax returns was working to ensure that they were kept in a secure location.

“The good thing about being commissioner is that you never know who is being audited,” Mr. Koskinen said, adding that it would have been inappropriate to ask about the status of any examination.

Mr. Kautter did not respond to a request for comment.

The committee’s reports left many questions unanswered given that it had little time to act: While Mr. Neal had sought Mr. Trump’s tax records since 2019, Mr. Trump fought that request for nearly four years. The Ways and Means Committee only received access to the information last month, with Republicans set to take control of the House in January.

Spokespeople and associates of several other former presidents over the last three decades either did not respond on Wednesday to queries about whether those presidents had been audited every year they were in office or said they did not recall.

Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon and the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, on Wednesday called the House panel’s findings a “blockbuster” that required further attention.

“The I.R.S. was asleep at the wheel, and the presidential audit program is broken,” he said. “There is no justification for the failure to conduct the required presidential audits until a congressional inquiry was made.”

The Internal Revenue Service has already been the subject of repeated controversy.

The New York Times reported this year that the I.R.S. had initiated particularly invasive audits of two of Mr. Trump’s perceived enemies, the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey and his deputy, Andrew G. McCabe. Mr. Trump also repeatedly told his chief of staff that he wanted his perceived rivals, including those two, to face tax investigations.

Despite the low odds of both being singled out, an inspector general’s report concluded that both had been randomly selected for the initial pools from which the agency drew to carry out the examinations. But it is unclear how the I.R.S. made final selections from those pools.

In 2019, Mr. Trump raised eyebrows by telling Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, to prioritize a confirmation vote for a longtime associate, Michael J. Desmond, as general counsel of the I.R.S. over the nomination of William P. Barr as attorney general. Mr. Desmond had advised a subsidiary of the Trump Organization and worked with two of its tax lawyers.

And in 2018, Mr. Trump appointed as commissioner Mr. Rettig, who had written a Forbes column in 2016 defending Mr. Trump’s refusal to release his taxes as a candidate and portrayed the I.R.S. as fully engaged in auditing very wealthy people.

“Teams of sophisticated tax advisers were likely engaged throughout Trump’s career to assure the absence of any ‘bombshell’ within the returns,” Mr. Rettig wrote. “His returns might actually be somewhat unremarkable but for the fact they are the returns of Donald Trump.”

The Times gained access to years of his tax information and published a report in September 2020 that raised numerous questions about the legality of write-offs and deductions he had used to avoid paying any taxes most years. The article prompted the I.R.S. to consider looking at Mr. Trump’s 2017 tax returns, the committee report said.

The I.R.S. has had scant resources for years because Republicans have sought to cut its funding. The report highlighted the agency’s broader struggles in dealing with complicated tax returns filed by wealthy people and criticized its willingness to trust that returns filed by big accounting firms contained accurate information.

Congress has approved an $80 billion overhaul of the I.R.S. intended in part to hire more specialists capable of auditing high-income filers.

The committee released the reports after a party-line vote, exercising a rarely used power to obtain and make public any U.S. taxpayer’s private information.

Congress invoked it in 1974, when a committee released a report about President Richard M. Nixon’s taxes after a scandal about whether he was underpaying what he owed. That scandal led the I.R.S. in 1977 to create its rule mandating audits of presidents and vice presidents, ensuring that agency officials are not put in the awkward position of deciding whether to audit their boss.

The Ways and Means Committee again used that authority in 2014, when Republicans accused the I.R.S. of political discrimination because it used conservative terms like “tea party” when selecting groups to scrutinize for political activities that would make them ineligible to receive tax-deductible donations. But an inspector general determined that the agency had also used liberal terms, like “progressive” and “occupy,” for the same purpose.

Commissioners of the agency are political appointees of presidents. Mr. Koskinen — who had also run the agency several of the years that it was routinely auditing Mr. Obama — was not the only one to say he avoided involvement in presidential audits.

Charles O. Rossotti, who served as I.R.S. commissioner from 1997 to 2002, said that he was aware that presidents were audited as a matter of practice but that he played no role in the process.

“I kept away from that with a 10-foot pole,” Mr. Rossotti said.

The requirement that presidential returns be audited is included in the tax agency’s Internal Review Manual, which offers few details. A 2019 I.R.S. document accompanying the committee report said the examinations were conducted by experienced revenue agents.

“The I.R.S. is not aware of any reports of improper bias or partiality in the conduct of an officeholder’s examination in the more than 40-year history of the mandatory procedures,” it said.

The House committee report also documented an extraordinary lack of resources the I.R.S. dedicated to auditing Mr. Trump’s returns when it belatedly started doing so, initially assigning just one staff member to the matter despite the unusual complexity of his business entities and partnerships.

The committee cited internal I.R.S. memos stating that “it is not possible to obtain the resources available to examine all potential issues” raised by the more than 400 pass-through entities cited in Mr. Trump’s taxes.

“To do a thorough review of these returns, we would need a team much larger than the current team,” it said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/21/us/politics/trump-irs-taxes.html

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Friday, December 23, 2022 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It is funny. The IRS already knows what's in them.

Trump will be fine, and Democrats are pathetic.
Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden accused the IRS of being “asleep at the wheel” and said its presidential audit system is “broken.” In a statement, Wyden said, “There is no justification for the failure to conduct the required presidential audits until a congressional inquiry was made.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20221222173552/https://www.forbes.com/site
s/brianbushard/2022/12/21/trump-paid-0-in-taxes-in-2020-heres-what-to-know-about-his-tax-returns/

The House Ways and Means Committee issued a report claiming the IRS did not properly audit Trump during his first two years in office, something it’s required to do for all sitting presidents. According to the House report, the IRS had only started an audit two years into Trump’s presidency and had not completed any while he was in office, with Committee Chair Richard Neal (D-Mass.) calling the audit program “dormant.”

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2022.12.20%20Final%20Report%20House%20Ways%20and%20Means.pdf

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BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....

All they're doing to you low-IQ morons now is spinning the story, once again, into something that doesn't even resemble the original claims.

They know full fucking well there's nothing in Trump's tax returns that could land him in jail, so they're going to make up some new shit so all you little dummies can bump into each other spouting anti-Trump soundbytes all the way up until the day he's re-elected and CNN can start making money again.

Trump will be fine.

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Sunday, December 25, 2022 7:46 PM

#TheYoungTurks #TYT #BreakingNews
TRUMP'S TAXES RELEASED: Here's What We Know

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Sunday, December 25, 2022 7:58 PM

tick tock asshole.

This SHOCKING Sean Hannity Deposition Could Cost Fox News MILLIONS

Sean Hannity said he never actually believed Donald Trump's election fraud lies.

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Sunday, December 25, 2022 8:00 PM

Haha! The Young Turks go over Trump's Taxes!

That's priceless, Ted.

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