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Thursday, September 15, 2022 5:54 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Looks like Argonne did the EV v gasoline breakeven point for me. Tesla 3 v Toyota Corolla (33 mpg) https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/ Based on a series of assumptions, the data showed that a Tesla Model 3 in the United States, for example, would need to be driven for 13,500 miles (21,725 km) before it does less harm to the environment than a Toyota Corolla. Lifetime vehicle miles traveled: 173,151. The beauty of a new green energy system, for a Capitalist, is that it is built right next to the old dirty energy system. Both systems are up and running and gouging all the customers by setting prices as high as the market will bear. The sci-fiction TV show The Expanse showed how that works with an air market. Everybody needs air in outer space and the air price goes up month after month so that the workers in outer space can never save money. The air company takes all their cash. Breathing air companies don't exist, yet, but green energy companies can do the same as oil and gas companies have done and the results will be just as beautiful as on The Expanse -- War in the asteroid belt against the owners (who live on Earth) of the breathing air companies. The Belters, as they are called on the Expanse, were dropping asteroids onto Earth to show their displeasure with the wonderful and profitable capitalist system. When the green energy system gets up and running, there will be many Earthers, just like Belters, who will be angry at the cost of energy, just as Belters were angry at the cost of air. Don't take deep breaths. It is too expensive. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Looks like Argonne did the EV v gasoline breakeven point for me. Tesla 3 v Toyota Corolla (33 mpg) https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/
Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:26 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Solar panels, if widely distributed, make energy production more robust, especially if each bldg comes with a battery backup capable of supplying enough emergency power to bring the system back up the next sunny day (solar panels, ironically, need a source of electricity BEFORE they can start converting sunlight to electricity,) OTOH I wouldn't recommend it for northern USA. And at about 25 years the panels will become a significant e-waste problem, like lithium batteries are a problem today.
Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:35 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: In the Fast Transition scenario we have allocated so much storage capacity using batteries and P2X** fuels that the entire global energy system could run for a month without any sun or wind.
Thursday, September 15, 2022 10:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You're dreaming.
Thursday, September 15, 2022 4:25 PM
Thursday, September 15, 2022 5:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: SECOND, I don't know why you're so invested in these high-cost technologies. (Maybe bc you're - literally- invested? and maybe you see a gravy train of government money?)
Thursday, September 15, 2022 6:38 PM
Thursday, September 15, 2022 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: My point is that ALL of the options need to be considered because there is NO "one size fits all" answer. You (and the authors you cite) keep polishing one single idea. It may be a good one, but there may be far more effective/less costly ones out there.
Thursday, September 15, 2022 7:40 PM
Thursday, September 15, 2022 8:29 PM
Thursday, September 15, 2022 10:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Why does the government have to pay capitalists? What if it were to set up a Works program, like the WPA of old? (You keep thumping FDR, and he created the WPA. You should be all for it!) It should at least get some of those Big Brains on its staff to come up with estimates to decide which programs to fund right away, which to research and which to back burner
Thursday, September 15, 2022 10:30 PM
Thursday, September 15, 2022 10:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will all be moot soon.
Thursday, September 15, 2022 11:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Why does the government have to pay capitalists? What if it were to set up a Works program, like the WPA of old? (You keep thumping FDR, and he created the WPA. You should be all for it!) It should at least get some of those Big Brains on its staff to come up with estimates to decide which programs to fund right away, which to research and which to back burner Here is an example of a new fuel instead of trying to build an electric motor-driven jet plane or jet engine burning hydrogen. If the Federal government required airlines to buy this fuel, the Capitalists could get rich manufacturing the fuel. The Capitalists would be racing one another to see who gets the richest quickest. As an unintended side-effect, the price of this special fuel would get cheaper and cheaper per gallon as different Capitalists tried out different processes to manufacture the fuel. Capitalists hate cheaper but too bad for them. The engineers will be racing for cheaper and cheaper as their Capitalistic masters are racing for more and more wealth. Clean jet fuel could take off with new climate law BY: AMY HARDER SEPTEMBER 14, 2022 The U.S. government is for the first time in history singling out and subsidizing cleaner aviation fuel. Such a move is poised to help clean up one of the most high-profile ways our society contributes to climate change—and one of the most difficult given the sheer dynamics required to keep planes in the sky. With nearly $370 billion flowing from the federal spigots, the Inflation Reduction Act signed into law last month supercharges existing tax credits and gives first-ever subsidies to a range of technologies considered essential in helping the U.S. reach net-zero emissions by 2050. Included in that first-ever bucket is sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). SAF embodies not one thing but a range of liquid fuels produced from various raw materials through different technologies. The fuel is capable of directly replacing or mixing with traditional fossil-fuel-based jet fuel. Aviation accounts for about 2.5% of global carbon emissions, but its impact could be more than 1.5 times that figure given the warming effect of contrails (those innocuous-looking white cloud lines that form at the end of planes), according to 2021 scientific research. The tax credit applies for about half as long as earlier proposals, but it's nonetheless notable because SAF didn’t get any support from the infrastructure law passed last year, which poured more than $100 billion into a range of other climate technologies. “The biggest stumbling block is economics,” said Graham Noyes, executive director of the Low Carbon Fuels Coalition, a group representing a broad cross-section of companies that are somehow involved in the pursuit of low-carbon fuels, including SAF. “Even though it’s not the 10 years we would have liked to have seen, having five years of the credit will be an enormous boost,” Noyes told Cipher. “It will allow the industry to begin to scale up and deploy new feedstocks and technologies at scale.” Indeed, like many clean energy technologies, the core challenge for SAF is that it’s simply too expensive compared to its dirtier, fossil fuel counterpart. The new subsidy may reduce costs for SAF to a point where it would be roughly equal to fossil fuel jet prices, though a wide range exists depending on costs of technology, production and other variables, according to the Rhodium Group, a research firm. (See chart below). https://go.breakthroughenergy.org/social/c410003ef13d451727aeff9082c29a5c.510 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, September 15, 2022 11:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: So basically the govt is funding a fuel which may never come to light and there are a dozen speculators at the end of the money pipeline with their mouths wide open ready to swallow up govt largesse. That's not capitalism.
Thursday, September 15, 2022 11:17 PM
Friday, September 16, 2022 6:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: SECOND, you keep misusing the word "capitalism". It DOES have a definition, yanno. Capitalism does eventually develop into something else, often fascism ... "Government in service to business". That's where the government uses taxpayer money to do the unprofitable part of research, and then gives the results to the moneygrubbers so they can rip off the public for the research that the public already paid for.
Friday, September 16, 2022 8:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: SECOND, you keep misusing the word "capitalism". It DOES have a definition, yanno. Capitalism does eventually develop into something else, often fascism ... "Government in service to business". That's where the government uses taxpayer money to do the unprofitable part of research, and then gives the results to the moneygrubbers so they can rip off the public for the research that the public already paid for.
Friday, September 16, 2022 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm not talking about how "capitalism" works, it's the defintion of capitalism itself. It's like the difference between the defintion of Catholic Church and how the Ctholic Chruch works. The definition of the Catholic Church, strictly speaking, is the Christian religion (ie one that believes in Christ as god) headed by a Pope in Rome. How it actually works is a different story. You can't just use a word any way you want. If you say "hat" when the definition is "oatmeal", I won't know what you're trying to communicate. There had to be a an agreed-on definition otherwise communication is impossible. There wouldn't be so many words (capitalism, feudalism, socialism, mercantilism, imperialism, fascism, etc) for economic systems if there weren't any distinctions and you could just use words interchangeably. So, what is the definition of capitalism? How is it different from monopolism. financialism, fascism, socialism, and rentier capitalism?
Friday, September 16, 2022 8:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm not talking about how "capitalism" works, it's the defintion of capitalism itself. It's like the difference between the defintion of Catholic Church and how the Ctholic Chruch works. The definition of the Catholic Church, strictly speaking, is the Christian religion (ie one that believes in Christ as god) headed by a Pope in Rome. How it actually works is a different story. You can't just use a word any way you want. If you say "hat" when the definition is "oatmeal", I won't know what you're trying to communicate. There had to be a an agreed-on definition otherwise communication is impossible. There wouldn't be so many words (capitalism, feudalism, socialism, mercantilism, imperialism, fascism, etc) for economic systems if there weren't any distinctions and you could just use words interchangeably. So, what is the definition of capitalism? How is it different from monopolism. financialism, fascism, socialism, and rentier capitalism? Lawyers and philosophers write like you do as if nothing can be accomplished until a definition of each word is hammered into shape and agreed upon by all involved. That's why there has never been a lawyer or philosopher who changed the physical world as much as the most mediocre Engineer. Engineers DO NOT engage with the world as if words go first and physics/chemistry/metal/concrete trails far behind and the last thing to think about. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, September 16, 2022 9:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, the framers of the Constitution, which- you may recall- is just a bunch of words, didn't chnage the world? and laws... the're jus words? And the discovey AND NAMING of the elements an subatomic paricles, the concept AND NAMES of "lever", "current", "voltage", "energy" "heat", "DNA" and "cell" didn't change th world? You can't transmit communicate discoveries and knowledge to others for them to build on unless you can attach a name to it. WORDS greatly shape how we see the world, in fact WHAT we see. (A neurologist wanted to see how long it would take his daughter to discover the color "blue" if he and his wife never used the word. IIRC she was six years old before she noticed there was an as yet unnamed color.) People get into all kinds of trouble using wods they don't nderstand and haven'teven defined for themselves: Freedom, love, rights, human ... they don'y know where the defintion begins and where it ends. So, what is capitalism, and how is it different from monopolism, financialism, fascism, socialism, and rentier capitalism?
Friday, September 16, 2022 9:01 AM
Quote:Cover Crops Cover crops can be broadly defined as any non-cash crop grown in addition to the primary cash crop. These crops have the potential to increase soil organic matter
Quote: and fertility, reduce erosion, improve soil structure, promote water infiltration, and limit pest and disease outbreaks. There are numerous benefits to cover cropping, though, as with any management technique, there are tradeoffs and limitations that must be considered. In many situations cover cropping can lead to a decreased reliance on fossil fuels and improved agricultural productivity.
Friday, September 16, 2022 9:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: A more relevant topic: Quote:Cover Crops Cover crops can be broadly defined as any non-cash crop grown in addition to the primary cash crop. These crops have the potential to increase soil organic matter that is, CARBON... Quote: and fertility, reduce erosion, improve soil structure, promote water infiltration, and limit pest and disease outbreaks. There are numerous benefits to cover cropping, though, as with any management technique, there are tradeoffs and limitations that must be considered. In many situations cover cropping can lead to a decreased reliance on fossil fuels and improved agricultural productivity. https://sarep.ucdavis.edu/sustainable-ag/cover-crops
Friday, September 16, 2022 9:12 AM
Quote: by SIGNYM: So, the framers of the Constitution, which- you may recall- is just a bunch of words, didn't chnage the world? and laws... the're jus words? And the discovey AND NAMING of the elements an subatomic paricles, the concept AND NAMES of "lever", "current", "voltage", "energy" "heat", "DNA" and "cell" didn't change th world? You can't transmit communicate discoveries and knowledge to others for them to build on unless you can attach a name to it. WORDS greatly shape how we see the world, in fact WHAT we see. (A neurologist wanted to see how long it would take his daughter to discover the color "blue" if he and his wife never used the word. IIRC she was six years old before she noticed there was an as yet unnamed color.) People get into all kinds of trouble using wods they don't nderstand and haven'teven defined for themselves: Freedom, love, rights, human ... they don'y know where the defintion begins and where it ends. So, what is capitalism, and how is it different from monopolism, financialism, fascism, socialism, and rentier capitalism? SECOND :You are far too impressed with vocabulary, just as every lawyer I have known and every philosopher I have read is impressed with what they do best,
Friday, September 16, 2022 9:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: A more relevant topic: Quote:Cover Crops Cover crops can be broadly defined as any non-cash crop grown in addition to the primary cash crop. These crops have the potential to increase soil organic matter that is, CARBON... Quote: and fertility, reduce erosion, improve soil structure, promote water infiltration, and limit pest and disease outbreaks. There are numerous benefits to cover cropping, though, as with any management technique, there are tradeoffs and limitations that must be considered. In many situations cover cropping can lead to a decreased reliance on fossil fuels and improved agricultural productivity. https://sarep.ucdavis.edu/sustainable-ag/cover-crops That's lovely and utopian when one farmer out of a thousand does this, but if the other 999 farmers do NOT, CO2 will keep rising until it kills all. If you think most farmers will voluntarily do right, you will be wrong. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, September 16, 2022 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Which is why there should be a subsidy tied to increasing soil carbon content .. or at least planting cover crops ... to encourage the practice. You're all hot to trot for the government to spend money to discover a "clean jet fuel" that may never come to frutition. why would you be against helping farmers out, except that you're not invested in farming?
Friday, September 16, 2022 1:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Which is why there should be a subsidy tied to increasing soil carbon content .. or at least planting cover crops ... to encourage the practice. You're all hot to trot for the government to spend money to discover a "clean jet fuel" that may never come to frutition. why would you be against helping farmers out, except that you're not invested in farming?
Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:02 AM
Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Cover crops don't require anyone to change how they live, either. EVs would require more change than methane powered vehicles, bc people have to worry about range, charging stations, and changing out a $12,000 battery every 5-7 years. And, yanno, MOST people don't fly regularly. I think the thing YOU'RE worried about is your ginormous fancy truck and your private jet. I've spent way too much time on you. So why don't you ponder the definition of capitalism for a while?
Quote:Tesla will even cover the battery replacement cost if charge capacity falls below 70% during the warranty period—something that’s also very rare. EV batteries tend to retain most of their charge capacity even hundreds of thousands of miles into their lifespan. In fact, Tesla claims their EVs can retain 90% of their charge capacity even 200,000 miles in. Data from UK research firm NimbleFins seems to back that claim up—the company studied over 500 models, with those at the 150,000-mile mark retaining 90% charge capacity and those over 200,000 still holding about 80% capacity.
Saturday, September 17, 2022 6:45 PM
Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:07 PM
Saturday, September 17, 2022 7:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: using the lowest measurement of soil carbon sequestration, cover crops in the USA alone have the potential to store 4 gigatons of carbon, or 13 gigatons of equivalent CO2, in the soil. Not all studies show such great success. Multiply that by the amount of land across the globe currently under cultivation and the potential is significant. When combined with better forest management, better grazing practices, conservation, green energy, and technological improvements this should be a solvable problem Nobody is dismissing techno fixes, but they're not the ONLY solution. ALL options should be on the table. I think I've said that three or four times by now, but apparently it hasn't sunk into your brain yet.
Sunday, September 18, 2022 3:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: using the lowest measurement of soil carbon sequestration, cover crops in the USA alone have the potential to store 4 gigatons of carbon, or 13 gigatons of equivalent CO2, in the soil. Not all studies show such great success. Multiply that by the amount of land across the globe currently under cultivation and the potential is significant. When combined with better forest management, better grazing practices, conservation, green energy, and technological improvements this should be a solvable problem Nobody is dismissing techno fixes, but they're not the ONLY solution. ALL options should be on the table. I think I've said that three or four times by now, but apparently it hasn't sunk into your brain yet. SECOND: As far as I can tell, the world had 40 years to handle this CO2 waste problem and work out all the kinks but didn't do the work. Well, a few people did the work because free energy from wind and sun could make them very rich, but most people did not get involved, other than buying electricity from the people who were getting rich.
Quote: SECOND:Maybe next month most of humanity will get its large and very lazy ass in gear by NOT buying fossil fuel.
Tuesday, September 20, 2022 5:47 PM
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Saturday, October 1, 2022 7:54 AM
Saturday, October 1, 2022 8:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: New device pulls water from air to make H2 The system can harvest water from low humidity air and use solar power to drive electrolysis https://cen.acs.org/environment/green-chemistry/New-device-pulls-water-air/100/web/2022/09
Saturday, October 1, 2022 12:13 PM
Thursday, October 6, 2022 8:32 AM
Thursday, October 6, 2022 9:05 AM
Saturday, October 15, 2022 5:04 AM
Saturday, October 15, 2022 8:45 AM
Saturday, October 15, 2022 9:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: In Overheated Economy, Dems Forced To Cool Climate Messaging https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/10/13/in_overheated_economy_dems_forced_to_cool_climate_messaging_148319.html That means you. And nobody else in the world wants to talk about it right now either. -------------------------------------------------- Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
Saturday, October 15, 2022 9:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: In Overheated Economy, Dems Forced To Cool Climate Messaging https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/10/13/in_overheated_economy_dems_forced_to_cool_climate_messaging_148319.html That means you. And nobody else in the world wants to talk about it right now either. -------------------------------------------------- Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibusI remember dozens of people, all dead now from smoking, who were angry at Democrats for condemning smoking. They are not angry anymore. They are not anything anymore. There are people who will die because of global climate change, but they don't want to hear about it from politicians because they want low price gasoline and low price coal fired electric power. They don't want to know that they can't have what they want. And they sure don't want to know that if they got what they wanted, it would kill them. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Sunday, October 16, 2022 7:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: False Equivalency King. Take your worthless opinions as well as your vices that we all know you have and bounce on them until your brains leak out of your ears. It won't take long. Trust me.
Sunday, October 16, 2022 8:08 AM
Sunday, October 16, 2022 10:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Words of a man who knows that he's already lost. Just pout then.
Monday, October 17, 2022 4:36 PM
Monday, October 17, 2022 7:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Words of a man who knows that he's already lost. Just pout then.Didn't you know that climate change is a hoax? Once the Republicans get partial control of Congress, they will hold hearings to make sure the whole world is aware of how Greta Thunberg is the mastermind behind the hoax. Climate change is a Chinese Hoax! - Trump https://web.archive.org/web/20190709051001/https://time.com/5622374/donald-trump-climate-change-hoax-event/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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