Punishing Russia With Sanctions by THG

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The way this was expressed made me realized that "regime change" in Russua was a long-term plan.
"They [ neocons] finally got the Administration [ Biden*] that they wanted. Of course they were hoping for Hillary in 2016"

So the plan was to collapse the ruble in 2015 and install a friendly government in Ukraine. Hillary would have continued that in 2016 but Trump was a big BIG interruption!

No wonder they used Russia to attack Trump! That killed two birds (Trump, Russia) with one stone!

And people have been predicting a false flag of SOME sort to justify/twist the EU's arm for more and more sanctions. Originally thought to be a chemical attack, whooda thunk it would be something as mundane as a "massacre"?

So all this is just a continuation of the plan hatched (most likely) under Obama. (GWB was all about the "war on terror", not Russia.)

I should have seen it. Any justification will do to keep The Plan moving forward, even if it means destroying Germany and torpedoing the USA.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 4:22 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So basically the Pentagon us saying... we don't know. We don't have any INDEPENDENT information (outside of provided by Ukraine) that will allow us to verify their claims.

So, why not have an investigation and get independent information?

Basically the Pentagon said that it didn't have any Colonels in Ukraine witnessing Russians raping Ukrainians as the rapes occurred, but there is NO reason to believe that there were no rapes. Furthermore, the Pentagon does NOT have a database of Russian soldier DNA, so Pentagon couldn't confirm it was Russian rapists, although FOX News' Tucker Carlson says it could have been Nazis rapists, according to Tucker's source, Vladimir Putin. Tucker asks a lot of questions, questions that Putin would ask. Also, Pentagon doesn't have money for rape DNA kits. Nor does it have money to test the DNA. Nor will the Pentagon send medical staff into Ukraine for these tests.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-cant-independently-confirm-atro
cities-ukraines-bucha-official-says-2022-04-04/

The only thing we can be sure of is that almost nobody will go on trial for anything. But if there was a trial, it would be many years from now before there was a verdict.

Meanwhile, Ukrainians will be killing Russians more and more savagely and Russian soldiers will be wondering why Russia is fighting in Ukraine? What is Russia's goal? -- the soldiers will be asking themselves. They will probably shrug because they don't need goals, it's just a job to them, one that allows them to work while drunk. On the other side, fighting is a Ukrainian's whole purpose -- either kill Russians or die. Unlike during the Holodomor, where 4 million Ukrainians died for no reason, this is payback time and the Ukrainians are sending the Russians to hell.

Denial of the Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 4:52 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by second:
Meanwhile, Ukrainians will be killing Russians more and more savagely and Russian soldiers will be wondering why Russia is fighting in Ukraine? What is Russia's goal? -- the soldiers will be asking themselves. They will probably shrug because they don't need goals, it's just a job to them, one that allows them to work while drunk. On the other side, fighting is a Ukrainian's whole purpose -- either kill Russians or die. Unlike during the Holodomor, where 4 million Ukrainians died for no reason, this is payback time and the Ukrainians are sending the Russians to hell.

You are mistaken, second. Those dead Russians were killed and posed by other Russians. Total false flag “production.” What we have here is the first war where both sides are killing themselves. If I were Russia I’d surrender to myself before they take another beating from themselves.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:07 PM

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Flagrantly False: Russia’s Claim That Bucha Killings Were ‘Staged’

Kremlin, Russian defense and foreign ministries -- “[T]he photos and video footage from Bucha are yet another staged event by the Kiev regime for the Western media, as it was in Mariupol with the maternity hospital, as well as in other cities.”
Source: TV Zvezda, April 4, 2022
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-bucha-denials-false/317
87136.html

Outraged by the Russian denials, some journalists shared via social media gruesome details of what they witnessed and experienced.

“I note that Russia now suggesting Ukrainians did Bucha executions themselves after Russian retreat. There is one reason why this can’t be true,” wrote Oliver Carroll, a reporter with the British magazine The Economist.

“The smell of the decomposing bodies. You simply don’t get such a strong odor after few days in very cold (near subzero) temperatures,” Carroll tweeted.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in an April 3 report that it had “documented cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine.”

“The cases we documented amount to unspeakable, deliberate cruelty and violence against Ukrainian civilians,” said Hugh Williamson, the group’s Europe and Central Asia director. “Rape, murder, and other violent acts against people in the Russian forces’ custody should be investigated as war crimes.”

Much more at https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-bucha-denials-false/317
87136.html

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:19 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And "everyone" was sure that Milosevic (Serbian President of Yugoslavia) committed heinous war crimes and genocide against Bosnians, with "mountains" of evidence, testimony, and mass graves.

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The charges on which Miloševic was indicted were: genocide; complicity in genocide; deportation; murder; persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds; inhumane acts/forcible transfer; extermination; imprisonment; torture; willful killing; unlawful confinement; willfully causing great suffering; unlawful deportation or transfer; extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly; cruel treatment; plunder of public or private property; attacks on civilians; destruction or willful damage done to historic monuments and institutions dedicated to education or religion; unlawful attacks on civilian objects... the original charges of war crimes in Kosovo were upgraded by adding charges of genocide in Bosnia and war crimes in Croatia.

It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.

When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.

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In a judgment issued on 24 March 2016 in the separate trial of Radovan Karadzic and on 22 November 2017 in the separate trial of Ratko Mladic, the ICTY said there was no evidence that Milosevic "participated in the realization of the common criminal objective" and that "Milosevic and other Serbian leaders openly criticised Bosnian Serb leaders [Karadzic, Mladic]of committing crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing and the war for their own purposes" during the 1992-95 war.

Milosevic had requested to see a cardiac specialist but was denied, and died in jail of a heart attack before a verdict could be reached.

BTW, I know this thru a friend who is friends with one of the lawyers who represented Milosevic. It pays to have sources OUTSIDE of the M$M!

When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 6:31 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Milosevic had requested to see a cardiac specialist but was denied, and died in jail of a heart attack before a verdict could be reached.

BTW, I know this thru a friend who is friends with one of the lawyers who represented Milosevic. It pays to have sources OUTSIDE of the M$M!

A prominent lawyer who helped defend the former Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic at his war crimes trial has been shot dead. Dragoslav Ognjanovic, 57, was killed on Saturday evening outside his apartment building in the capital, Belgrade. Mr Ognjanovic also served as a defence lawyer in several high-profile mafia cases in Serbia and Montenegro. A number of prominent members of Serbian and Montenegrin organised crime networks have been killed in Belgrade in recent years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44995906

Other interesting facts that Signym's lawyer/friends didn't mention:
Judge Robinson said two court-assigned doctors who had examined Mr Milosevic had concluded that he suffered "severe essential hypertension", and that continuing to represent himself could lead to "a potentially life-threatening situation". The judges recognised the right of a defendant to represent himself, but cited his lengthy periods of illness, saying that the right was "not unfettered". Mr Milosevic's bouts of fatigue and high blood pressure has caused the suspension of hearings more than 12 times, and resulted in the loss of 66 trial days since proceedings began in February 2002. Doctors treating the former president say that his heart condition could become life-threatening if he continued to represent himself at the hearings. The 63-year-old, who has used the two and a half year trial as a platform to air his political views, has previously refused to accept a lawyer, insisting that he would cross-examine witnesses himself.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/02/warcrimes.milosevictrial

Miloševic talked himself to death. I remember Slobodan Miloševic as a fat smoker, so he pretty much killed himself at 64 years old, approximately the same age as many fat, smoking Trump voters kill themselves at. Putin's vice is not tobacco or food, but greed for other people's land. Along with incompetence, Putin's vice will kill many Russians before they reach 64 years old. Za zda-ró-vye! Literally it means: "To your health!"

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 7:26 PM

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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Meanwhile, Ukrainians will be killing Russians more and more savagely and Russian soldiers will be wondering why Russia is fighting in Ukraine? What is Russia's goal? -- the soldiers will be asking themselves. They will probably shrug because they don't need goals, it's just a job to them, one that allows them to work while drunk. On the other side, fighting is a Ukrainian's whole purpose -- either kill Russians or die. Unlike during the Holodomor, where 4 million Ukrainians died for no reason, this is payback time and the Ukrainians are sending the Russians to hell.

You are mistaken, second. Those dead Russians were killed and posed by other Russians. Total false flag “production.” What we have here is the first war where both sides are killing themselves. If I were Russia I’d surrender to myself before they take another beating from themselves.

That's just too fucking funny G.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 10:22 PM

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SECIND: I noticed that you didn't address this.

*****

It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.

When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.

When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.

*****

So, how about insisting on ACTUAL evidence not hyperventilation and outrage?

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Tuesday, April 5, 2022 11:01 PM

Nobody cares.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 12:46 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.

When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.

When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.

*****

So, how about insisting on ACTUAL evidence not hyperventilation and outrage?

Slobodan Miloševic spent years of his trial expounding upon his political philosophy. If he could have just shut his mouth for a few days, the prosecution would have run out of evidence and mean things to say about the defendant's character, assuming Signym is correct that there was no evidence connecting Miloševic to war crimes. He could have gone free within a month or two. But the man could not stop talking. He literally talked himself to death according to cardiologists' warnings to him to either calm down or else die from a heart attack. Mostly, he was spinning for the judges an elaborate fiction where bad things could happen but could never be his fault.

In related news: Russians say the terrible images in Bucha are a "forgery" to try to denigrate their army. If the Russians are telling the truth, the prosecution's case will collapse after a few days. But I seriously doubt that Russia will be showing up at a War Crimes Court. Putin will refuse to recognize the authority of any Court to judge him or Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/06/bucha-russia-fake-pkg-ebof
-chance-intl-vpx.cnn

How do I know that Putin won't recognize any authority to judge him? Malaysia Airlines flight 17 is how. The separatists and their Russian backers denied culpability while offering a shifting series of alternative explanations. Russia later vetoed a United Nations resolution to create a tribunal that would have assigned blame for the incident.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 4:26 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.

When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.

When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.

*****

So, how about insisting on ACTUAL evidence not hyperventilation and outrage?
Slobodan Miloševic spent years of his trial expounding upon his political philosophy. If he could have just shut his mouth for a few days, the prosecution would have run out of evidence and mean things to say about the defendant's character, assuming Signym is correct that there was no evidence connecting Miloševic to war crimes. He could have gone free within a month or two. But the man could not stop talking. He literally talked himself to death according to cardiologists' warnings to him to either calm down or else die from a heart attack. Mostly, he was spinning for the judges an elaborate fiction where bad things could happen but could never be his fault.

In related news: Russians say the terrible images in Bucha are a "forgery" to try to denigrate their army. If the Russians are telling the truth, the prosecution's case will collapse after a few days. But I seriously doubt that Russia will be showing up at a War Crimes Court. Putin will refuse to recognize the authority of any Court to judge him or Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/06/bucha-russia-fake-pkg-ebof
-chance-intl-vpx.cnn

How do I know that Putin won't recognize any authority to judge him? Malaysia Airlines flight 17 is how. The separatists and their Russian backers denied culpability while offering a shifting series of alternative explanations. Russia later vetoed a United Nations resolution to create a tribunal that would have assigned blame for the incident.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17

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Speaking of talking yourslf to death, here is SECOND

a) Blaming the dead man with made-up allegations (SECOND knows NOTHING about the trial) and more importantly
b) Attempting to divert attention from lynch-mob mentality that he whips up

Isn't that right, SECOND?

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:47 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Speaking of talking yourslf to death, here is SECOND

a) Blaming the dead man with made-up allegations (SECOND knows NOTHING about the trial) and more importantly
b) Attempting to divert attention from lynch-mob mentality that he whips up

Isn't that right, SECOND?

Signym, let me help you understand how a leader can be charged for a war crime that consists of words he neglected to say. Miloševic went on trial because he never gave an order to NOT KILL prisoners. Miloševic talked constantly, but not about NOT KILLING prisoners. If a leader won't give the order, constantly, the soldiers will KILL prisoners. TORTURE them, too. Miloševic's defense was that NOT KILLING prisoners is up to conscience of individual soldiers and officers, not Miloševic's responsibility.

In the case of Ukraine, there is a gentleman who explained, in many words, what goes on in the minds of Russian soldiers who (unlike restaurant employees being reminded by signs to wash their hands after using the toilet) are not being told to NOT KILL/ NOT TORTURE/ NOT RAPE prisoners:

Denazification is necessary when a considerable number of population (very likely most of it) has been subjected to the Nazi regime and engaged into its agenda. That is, when the “good people — bad government” hypothesis does not apply. Recognizing this fact forms the backbone of the denazification policy and all its measures, while the fact itself constitutes its subject. Denazification is a set of actions aimed at the nazified bulk of the population, who technically cannot be directly punished as war criminals.
More at https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2022/04/05/how-a-russian-propagandist
-justifies-genocide-in-ukraine/

Miloševic's defense was that NOT KILLING prisoners is up to the conscience of individual soldiers and officers, not Miloševic's responsibility. That same defense was used by Hermann Göring, in his trial, where he claimed he was not responsible for Nazis killing prisoners. Unfortunately, his office staff didn't find and burn a copy of a document where Hermann ordered a killing. Oops! But if that document had been burned, Göring's defense was rock solid that he was not responsible for any war crimes unless he killed the prisoners all by himself.

Vladimir Putin will be using Miloševic's and Göring's defense: I wasn't there when prisoners were KILLED, TORTURED, RAPED, therefore I am innocent of war crimes. Putin's office staff is smarter than Göring's office staff. There won't be any Russian emails or documents ordering prisoners KILLED, TORTURED, RAPED. Putin thinks he is perfectly in the clear, but just in case, Putin won't voluntarily, and in person, show up in the War Crimes Court.

So that the Russian Army doesn't get confused about the denazification policy, Putin won't be giving orders to NOT KILL, NOT TORTURE, NOT RAPE prisoners. It will be left to the conscience of individual soldiers and officers, not Putin's responsibility.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:58 AM

Nobody cares.

Not even you.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

Not even you.

It is not much trouble to download the book for free
The Miloševic Trial: An Autopsy
https://libgen.unblockit.day/libraryp2/main/6A4FCD8D0E5031468C9F73E845
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If you get "Error: LibGen seems to be down (Error 502)" than click the link again. That error is seen when too many books are simultaneously being downloaded, but in a second the error will pass away.

What mattered, what made this trial extraordinary, was the interconnectedness of these many, many crimes, and the story weaving them together: What had been isolated, disparate acts, told and tested in separate trials, was now joined in a single case, under a single theory that implied a claim about the wars as a whole. The case that was brought against Miloševic placed him at the very center of a web of criminality—indeed, it was Miloševic’s place at the center that provided the legal and logical relationship between all the other acts and actors across three wars and the greater part of a decade. The Tribunal’s case information sheet lists 46 cases to which Miloševic is related, from Babic to Župljanin—more than any other trial, and the only trial to link cases from all three of the other major conflicts the Tribunal adjudicated.* Slobodan Miloševic was the network.
* The small number of Macedonian cases stand apart.

In the case of Ukraine, Putin is the network tying all the war crimes together.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 12:13 PM

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What Russians See on State TV About “the Special Military Operation” in Ukraine
https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/russian-state-tv-ukraine.html

Russians are told that Ukrainians are Nazis and President Volodymyr Zelensky is a “demon who should be exorcised rather than talked to.”

Russians have stopped talking about liberating the people of Ukraine. Instead, Russians are told to liberate the land from the Ukrainian citizens.

You don't have to be a psychiatrist working at the Elizabeth Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane nor a lawyer specializing in war crimes to know that Russians soldiers will understand the Russian TV message as rape/torture/kill Ukrainian prisoners.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 3:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Failed "mind-reading" from SECOND.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 4:39 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Failed "mind-reading" from SECOND.

You're a Trump/Putin defender. From that, you're as mindless and predictable as a struck golf ball on a parabolic path. You'll splash into the water hazard, sink to the bottom and nobody will look for you. They'll get another ball from the golf club bag. Russian propagandists are spending hours convincing Russians that the footage from Bucha was staged by Ukrainian “Nazis,” which is perfectly predictable behavior for Trump/Putin defenders. No mind-reading required.

What Russians See on State TV About “the Special Military Operation” in Ukraine
https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/russian-state-tv-ukraine.html

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Wednesday, April 6, 2022 4:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.

Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.

/snark

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 9:39 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.

Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.

Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims. The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) presented the findings in parliament Wednesday, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported.

Meanwhile, Moscow has called the images from Bucha a 'monstrous forgery' and denies everything all the time, without stopping for a breath. Moscow has not, yet, claimed that the radio transmissions were fake, but give Moscow a little time and it will.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-intercepted-russian-troop-calls-on-atroc
ities-in-ukraine-report/a-61390212

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.

Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims. The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) presented the findings in parliament Wednesday, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported.

Meanwhile, Moscow has called the images from Bucha a 'monstrous forgery' and denies everything all the time, without stopping for a breath. Moscow has not, yet, claimed that the radio transmissions were fake, but give Moscow a little time and it will.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-intercepted-russian-troop-calls-on-atroc
ities-in-ukraine-report/a-61390212

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Polish Russian Collaborator Signym's constant support of Russia means she is cut from the same cloth as those who raped, murdered and tortured the men, women and children of Ukraine.

She is a sewer rat.

T

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 3:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.

Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.

SECOND: Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims.

Which means ...what? We're discussing it here, too.

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Don't forget that 51 ... fifty one! ... former "intelligence" officials stood shoulder to shoulder and dismissed the laptop as "Russian disinformation". Consider THAT next time you hear anything from "intelligence" sources!

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Which means ...what? We're discussing it here, too.

Putin had denied, repeatedly, Russian responsibility for the 4 million deaths of the Holodomor. I know it's a long time ago, but the denial of Russian responsibility for deaths is a recurring theme with Russians since the year 862.

More recently, where there are piles of dead Ukrainian prisoners, Putin is claiming those deaths are not Russia's responsibility. That is the same old theme, again, where Russians think they can alter reality by lying and escape blame. Russia's long and grubby history ought to have convinced Russians that lying does not change reality, but they remain unconvinced. Ukrainians will be making a strong and, perhaps, a convincing argument, but without using words.

Ukraine has more than enough ammo to kill the entire Russian Army. Putin will run out of soldiers and tanks to throw at Ukraine before Ukraine runs out of bullets and Javelins. Ukraine has the people who will do it because they remember the Holodomor and they are never allowing irresponsible Russians like Putin to murder another 4 million Ukrainians.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Holodomor+Putin

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 7:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.

In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.

Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.

In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.

Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?

Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.

Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide

There is a picture of shifty eyed Putin on that article.

Russia Denies Stalin’s Killer Famine
REWRITING HISTORY: Russia’s international propaganda outlet just recycled an old, debunked claim that Stalin’s terror-famine in Ukraine was a Western “hoax.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-denies-stalins-killer-famine

Ukraine is well aware that Russians are very capable of murdering millions of people, followed by faking amnesia about the murders, because Russia has done exactly that many times, and the Ukrainians will fight to the death of every last Russian solder, sailor, and pilot to never again be owned by Russia.

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 10:28 PM

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Putin won’t be stopped until Germany ends its energy dependence

Vladimir Putin’s war of aggression runs on the money Russia gets by selling fossil fuels to Europe. And while Ukraine has, incredibly, repelled Russia’s attempt to seize Kyiv, Putin won’t be definitively stopped until Europe ends its energy dependence.

Which means that Germany — whose political and business leaders insist that they can’t do without Russian natural gas, even though many of its own economists disagree — has in effect become Putin’s prime enabler. This is shameful; it is also incredibly hypocritical given recent German history.

The background: Germany has been warned for decades about the risks of becoming dependent on Russian gas. But its leaders, focused on the short-run benefits of cheap energy, ignored those warnings. On the eve of the Ukraine war, 55 percent of German gas came from Russia.

There’s no question that quickly cutting off, or even greatly reducing, this gas flow would be painful. But multiple economic analyses — from the Brussels-based Bruegel Institute, the International Energy Agency and ECONtribute, a think tank sponsored by the Universities of Bonn and Cologne — have found that the effects of drastically reducing gas imports from Russia would be far from catastrophic to Germany.

As one member of the German Council of Economic Experts, which fills a role somewhat similar to that of the U.S. Council of Economic Advisers, put it, an embargo on Russian gas would be difficult but “feasible.”

The ECONtribute analysis offers a range of estimates, but their worst-case number is that an embargo on Russian gas would temporarily reduce Germany’s real G.D.P. by 2.1 percent. I’ll put that number in context shortly.

Now, German industrialists refuse to accept economists’ estimates, insisting that a gas embargo would indeed be catastrophic. But they would say that, wouldn’t they? Industrial leaders everywhere always claim that any proposed restriction on their activities would be an economic disaster.

For example, back in 1990 U.S. industry groups issued dire warnings against policies to reduce acid rain, insisting that they would cost hundreds of billions and even lead to “the potential destruction of the Midwest economy.” None of that happened; in fact, the new rules produced large public health benefits at modest financial cost.

Unfortunately, Germany’s political leaders, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, have taken the side of the scaremongers. The revelations of Russian atrocities in Ukraine have led to grudging acknowledgments that something must be done, but still not much sense of urgency.

What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.

As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price.

As it turns out, this diagnosis was mostly wrong. Much of the surge in southern European interest rates reflected a market panic rather than fundamentals; borrowing costs plunged, even for Greece, after the president of the European Central Bank said three words — “whatever it takes” — suggesting that the bank would, if necessary, step in to buy the debt of troubled economies.

Yet Germany took the lead in demanding that debtor nations impose extreme austerity measures, especially spending cuts, no matter how large the economic costs. And those costs were immense: Between 2009 and 2013 the Greek economy shrank by 21 percent while the unemployment rate rose to 27 percent.

But while Germany was willing to impose economic and social catastrophe on countries it claimed had been irresponsible in their borrowing, it has been unwilling to impose far smaller costs on itself despite the undeniable irresponsibility of its past energy policies.

I’m not sure how to quantify this, but my sense is that Germany received far more and clearer warning about its feckless reliance on Russian gas than Greece ever did about its pre-crisis borrowing. Yet it seems as if Germany’s famous eagerness to treat economic policy as a morality play applies only to other countries.

To be fair, Germany has moved on from its initial unwillingness to help Ukraine at all; Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany claims, although the Germans deny it, that he was told there was no point in sending weapons because his government would collapse in hours. And maybe, maybe, the realization that refusing to shut off the flow of Russian gas makes Germany de facto complicit in mass murder will finally be enough to induce real action.

But until or unless this happens, Germany will continue, shamefully, to be the weakest link in the democratic world’s response to Russian aggression.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220407232004/https://www.nytimes.com/202
2/04/07/opinion/germany-russia-ukraine-energy.html

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Thursday, April 7, 2022 10:41 PM

Nobody cares.

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Friday, April 8, 2022 8:15 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.

In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.

Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?

SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.

Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide

You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.

"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".

I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.

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Friday, April 8, 2022 9:20 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.

In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.

Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?

SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.

Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.

"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".

I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.

During WWII, the Russian army distinguished itself by having the highest number of causalities of any army in history. With a bit more competence by Russia leaders, there wouldn't have been so much waste of Russian soldiers. Since WWII, Russian leaders had just as many years to get better at their jobs as every other country's leaders. But what have Russians accomplished in all those years, other than militarily, other than H-bombs, nuclear subs, missiles, and rebuilding their army? Not much: https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

Putin wants to bring his management skills to Ukraine. Ukrainians are not favorably impressed with his skills in managing the Russian economy (#11 in the world) or Russian army (#2 in the world). That army might not be big enough to handle Ukraine unless Putin makes the ultimate bad business decision -- nuke Ukraine to compensate for Putin's incompetent military leadership. If Putin does bring out the nukes, Russia will lose its position as the 11th largest economy in the world.

The world's 20 strongest militaries
https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-
militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930371

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Friday, April 8, 2022 9:32 AM

Relax, Karen.

Nobody is nuking anybody.

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Friday, April 8, 2022 9:36 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?

Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!

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Friday, April 8, 2022 9:42 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.

In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.

Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?

SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.

Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.

"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".

I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.
During WWII, the Russian army distinguished itself by having the highest number of causalities of any army in history. With a bit more competence by Russia leaders, there wouldn't have been so much waste of Russian soldiers. Since WWII, Russian leaders had just as many years to get better at their jobs as every other country's leaders. But what have Russians accomplished in all those years, other than militarily, other than H-bombs, nuclear subs, missiles, and rebuilding their army? Not much: https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

Putin wants to bring his management skills to Ukraine. Ukrainians are not favorably impressed with his skills in managing the Russian economy (#11 in the world) or Russian army (#2 in the world). That army might not be big enough to handle Ukraine unless Putin makes the ultimate bad business decision -- nuke Ukraine to compensate for Putin's incompetent military leadership. If Putin does bring out the nukes, Russia will lose its position as the 11th largest economy in the world.

The world's 20 strongest militaries
https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-
militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930371

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The Russian economy is history. The assumed competence of the Russian army is history.

T

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Friday, April 8, 2022 9:50 AM

Ted's going to spend the day talking out of his ass about things he has no idea about again.

Imagine that, huh?

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Friday, April 8, 2022 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?

Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!

What is in the news this morning? Russia kills children at train station. Russia kicked off the UN Human Rights Council for killing children. Putin's children are being sanctioned for what daddy has done. Just another day in Putin's War Against Nazi Children.

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Friday, April 8, 2022 11:34 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?

Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!
What is in the news this morning? Russia kills children at train station. Russia kicked off the UN Human Rights Council for killing children. Putin's children are being sanctioned for what daddy has done. Just another day in Putin's War Against Nazi Children.

Putin might as well be waging war on his own army the way they're getting cut down.

I think at this point, he's down to getting "joy" out of ANY destruction. Pretty obvious his army can't win anything, so he's had to fall back on his Aleppo approach from the safety of long range. Total pussy move. Can't help think back on this meeting and the obvious bruh moment between Putin and MBS.

There's nothing as joyful for Putin as meeting someone who knows how to cut people into small pieces.

Fcker has had 20 years. He could have done good things for his people, but fck that! Get rid of the smart people and keep the cowards and the dummies, piss off most of the civilized/wealthy world, tank your economy, destroy your army... zero for 10.

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?

Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!
What is in the news this morning? Russia kills children at train station. Russia kicked off the UN Human Rights Council for killing children. Putin's children are being sanctioned for what daddy has done. Just another day in Putin's War Against Nazi Children.

Putin might as well be waging war on his own army the way they're getting cut down.

I think at this point, he's down to getting "joy" out of ANY destruction. Pretty obvious his army can't win anything, so he's had to fall back on his Aleppo approach from the safety of long range. Total pussy move. Can't help think back on this meeting and the obvious bruh moment between Putin and MBS.

There's nothing as joyful for Putin as meeting someone who knows how to cut people into small pieces.

Fcker has had 20 years. He could have done good things for his people, but fck that! Get rid of the smart people and keep the cowards and the dummies, piss off most of the civilized/wealthy world, tank your economy, destroy your army... zero for 10.

Agreed G. Still, it's nice to see
all sig's posts over the years about the Russian military
being formattable, go up in smoke. I'll admit, I'm loving that.

T

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Friday, April 8, 2022 12:44 PM

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All the statements of representatives of the Kyiv nationalist regime about the alleged 'missile attack' by Russia on April 8 at the railway station in Kramatorsk are a provocation and absolutely do not correspond to reality," the statement said.

"On April 8, the Russian armed forces did not conduct or plan any artillery fires in the city of Kramatorsk.

"We emphasize that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the wreckage of which was found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces."

So in addition to using civilians as human shields, blowing up a theater full of people and executing civilians for bartering with Russians, Ukie troops have no problems firing on their own panicked civilians.

Nice!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
All the statements of representatives of the Kyiv nationalist regime about the alleged 'missile attack' by Russia on April 8 at the railway station in Kramatorsk are a provocation and absolutely do not correspond to reality," the statement said.

"On April 8, the Russian armed forces did not conduct or plan any artillery fires in the city of Kramatorsk.

"We emphasize that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the wreckage of which was found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces."
So in addition to using civilians as human shields, blowing up a theater full of people and executing civilians for bartering with Russians, Ukie troops have no problems firing on their own panicked civilians.

Nice!

The Russians are using dream logic where Putin is the "man" and Zelenskyy is the "neighbor" and Ukraine is the "damaged kettle". In an example used by Sigmund Freud in The Interpretation of Dreams, a man accused by his neighbor of having returned a kettle in a damaged condition offered three arguments:
That he had returned the kettle undamaged;
That it was already damaged when he borrowed it;
That he had never borrowed it in the first place.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Kettle-Logic

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Friday, April 8, 2022 3:07 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh Jeez, more bogus "mind reading" from SECOND, where he gets to accuse Putin/Russia of any imaginary thing he can dream up.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh Jeez, more bogus "mind reading" from SECOND, where he gets to accuse Putin/Russia of any imaginary thing he can dream up.

Signym, you really should not see the film Donbass [2018] because you won't have any idea what is going on. You'd complain that you'd have to be a "mind reader" to understand the movie. I had no trouble, but you, very clearly, struggle to comprehend the simplest situations when those are not rigorously structured especially for your sad little mental abilities, which you boast about. I didn't have any trouble downloading the movie or the subtitles, separately.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/donbass
https://web.archive.org/web/20220408010226/https://www.nytimes.com/202
2/04/07/movies/donbass-review.html

https://1337x.unblockit.llc/search/Donbass/1/
https://yts.mx/movie/donbass-2018
https://yifysubtitles.org/subtitles/donbass-2018-english-yify-27315

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'Kill them all, for f**k sake': Shocking intercepted radio traffic revealing Russian soldiers killing and raping civilians.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/08/audio-intercepts-russian-s
oldiers-chance-vpx.cnn

Standard Russian response to such video of corpses lying in the street is:

1) It didn't happen.

2) We don't know what happened.

3) We know that Ukrainians raped and killed Ukrainians.

4) Repeat 1, 2, 3 ad infinitum and throw in at random intervals a few "fake news" and "Nazis rule Ukraine" and "where is proof" and "Russia is the real victim" and "Russia is being unfairly persecuted/slandered/denigrated".

5) The most important step: keep faith that the war ends soon and the world forgets these dead just as the world forgot about the previous tens of millions that Russia has raped and murdered since the Russian Revolution of 1917.

Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

100 Years of Communism—and 100 Million Dead
https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dea
d-1510011810

Tsar Nicholas II and his family were murdered on July 17th, 1918.
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/murders-ekaterinburg
Yurovsky now came into the room with his Cheka squad, armed with revolvers, told the prisoners they had been sentenced to death, and shot Nicholas dead. The other guards immediately opened such a hail of fire that some of them were wounded in it. Tsarina Alexandra, Olga, Tatiana and Marie all fell dead, as did three of the servants. The fourth, the maid Anna Demidova, was sliced to pieces by bayonet thrusts. The terrified tsarevich, spattered with his father's blood, was shot, bayoneted and finally finished off with two shots from Yurovsky. Anastasia, the last Romanov alive, was bludgeoned with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets.

The disposal of the bodies was a gruesome muddle. They were taken to the abandoned mine shaft in a truck and their clothes were burned on a bonfire before the corpses were dropped into a pool of water at the bottom of the shaft. It failed to conceal them and although some grenades were dropped into the shaft in an attempt to collapse it, the bodies had to be moved to a different shaft where sulphuric acid was used to destroy the faces, to prevent recognition. The second shaft also turned out to be inadequate and in the end Yurovsky's men dug a deep grave and the corpses were buried in it on July 19th.

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From your link

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Ukrainian officials say there is new audio from intercepted radio traffic revealing ...

That's as far as I read.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
From your link

Quote:
Ukrainian officials say there is new audio from intercepted radio traffic revealing ...

That's as far as I read.

Did you think Russian officials would tattletale on Russia? There were tattletales at the murders of Tzar Nicholas II and his family. The murderers went to town, got drunk, and told everybody what they had done. That was 1918, before radio was common in military operations, but Russians still haven't learned how to keep from bragging nor how to hide the bodies. They're still dumping the bodies into shallow waters, or into wells, or using explosives on the bodies, or trying to hide them under a few inches of dirt in Ukraine, very much like what Russians did at Ekaterinburg in 1918 and very much like Russians have done to 100 million other murder victims since then. It is a national tradition of Russians.

The Murders at Ekaterinburg. Tzar Nicholas II and his family were murdered on July 17th, 1918. https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/murders-ekaterinburg

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Saturday, April 9, 2022 2:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.

Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.

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Saturday, April 9, 2022 6:52 AM

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Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.

Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.

Easily done stupid.

T

UN General Assembly suspends Russia from Human Rights Council

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Saturday, April 9, 2022 6:56 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.

Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.

And yet again stupid.

T

You don't resign after you're fired': Russia quits human rights council after suspension

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.

Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.

Here is your evidence: Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

Signym, the Russian victims number is 61,911,000 from 1917 to 1987. Russia is a slaughterhouse. Do you have proof the slaughtering ended in 1987, Signym?

Wherever Russians go, they leave corpses behind. Russians entered Ukraine, fired millions of rounds of ammo, left behind brass shell casings everywhere, and the Russians want to claim those Ukrainian corpses were not killed by Russians? That is very funny. Where is the evidence Russians did NOT kill those Ukrainians, but the Ukrainians killed themselves?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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