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Another Putin Disaster
Tuesday, February 22, 2022 4:35 PM
THG
Tuesday, February 22, 2022 7:52 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:06 AM
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:17 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:22 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: None of this is our problem. And besides, why would anybody trust us to help anybody protect their borders when we don't do fuckall to protect our own from invaders? -------------------------------------------------- Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Just to comment: It is you, SECIND, who is engaging in "whataboutism". I brought up the dozens (hundreds throughout USA history) of treaties, pacts, agreements, international laws etc that we broke, and you brought up "whataboutCrimea"? Whatabout JCPOA? Whatabout Open Skies? Short range missiles? Nuclear warheads? Libya,Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan? Whatabout Whatabout Ukraine? Yugoslavia? How many instances do you want? I can bring up a lot more! We can whatabout until Christmas, so let's move the discussion in a different direction: under what circumstances is it legal, or ethical, to break treaties, contracts etc.? I know that under international law, a nation hs an obligation to repay the IMF even if the debt was incurred and even embezzled by a totally different government. OTOH, banks don't seem to hve the same obligations to their clients: The BoE, for example, just recently effectively stole Venezuela's gold (which it hd placed with the BoE for safekeeping) when the BoE recognized Juan "Random Guy" Guaido as the legitimate head of Venezuela and mde him the official gold owner. So, again ... under what circumstances is it legal, or ethical, to break a contract, treaty, agreement, pact, or even international law?
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 8:13 AM
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: None of this is our problem. And besides, why would anybody trust us to help anybody protect their borders when we don't do fuckall to protect our own from invaders? -------------------------------------------------- Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work." Yep. We seem to be in everybody's business except our own. Maybe we should do some home repair b4 we start remodeling everyone else's.
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Sure! Why not? After all, if we can do it 1000X over, so can Russia!
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Sure! Why not? After all, if we can do it 1000X over, so can Russia!It is impossible to travel overland between the Kaliningrad Oblast and the main contiguous portion of Russia without passing through at least two other countries. There is nothing stopping Putin from passing his Army, other than treaties he could forget exist. The Russians of Kaliningrad would welcome Putin's Army, know what I mean? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast Google map of that road trip from Moscow to Kaliningrad: https://goo.gl/maps/J7Keop8XqHqENdME9 It is 16 hr 42 min (1,264 km) via M-9 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I know what you mean. T
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: I know what you mean. T
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I was just adding this same thought to my last post. T
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 9:48 AM
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I find it very unsurprising that Putin is divorced. The guy forgets anniversaries, birthdays, pledges of fidelity to his wife, treaties with Ukraine, you name it, Putin can forget it. There is some other President that was divorced, forget his name, but you never could trust a written promise, even business contracts, from him, just like you can't trust Putin to keep a promise.
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 11:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: I find it very unsurprising that Putin is divorced. The guy forgets anniversaries, birthdays, pledges of fidelity to his wife, treaties with Ukraine, you name it, Putin can forget it. There is some other President that was divorced, forget his name, but you never could trust a written promise, even business contracts, from him, just like you can't trust Putin to keep a promise. Yeah. They should have stayed together like the Clintons did. Go fuck yourself.
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 11:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: I was just adding this same thought to my last post. T
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I find it hilarious Putin wants assurances his demands will be met when the list of signed agreements, treaties he has violated is endless. T
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 1:39 PM
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Word by Word and Between the Lines: A Close Look at Putin’s Speech In an impassioned address about Ukraine on Monday, Vladimir V. Putin, Russia’s president, spun a narrative whose implications sprawl well beyond his stated purpose of recognizing the independence of two Ukrainian territories held by Moscow-backed separatists. Mr. Putin’s speech was awash with hard-line Russian nationalism, angry paranoia toward the West, baseless claims of Ukrainian aggression, a sense of lost imperial pride on the verge of reclamation and, most of all, invocations of history, much of it distorted or fabricated. While his comments might have sounded rambling to Western ears, Mr. Putin may in fact have been articulating what amounted to a calculated series of justifications for a further invasion of Ukraine aimed at the Russian public, whose support he will need to maintain it. What follows is a concise annotation of several key passages that convey Mr. Putin’s overt and implied case for war. More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220223121809/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/world/europe/putin-speech-russia-ukraine.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 3:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I find it hilarious Putin wants assurances his demands will be met when the list of signed agreements, treaties he has violated is endless.
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 3:24 PM
Quote: SIGNYM: Sure! Why not? After all, if we can do it 1000X over, so can Russia! SECOND: ...There is nothing stopping Putin from passing his Army, other than treaties he could forget exist. The Russians of Kaliningrad would welcome Putin's Army, know what I mean?
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 6:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: /snicker
Wednesday, February 23, 2022 11:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: /snicker Putin loudly declared Ukraine is an illegitimate creation: an act of theft from Russia and Ukrainians who should still be under Moscow’s rule. And, in an escalation drawing concern across Europe, Mr. Putin suggests that this applies to all former Soviet republics. Three of those countries are now NATO members, meaning that the NATO alliance has committed to their defense: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. https://web.archive.org/web/20220223121809/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/world/europe/putin-speech-russia-ukraine.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, February 24, 2022 2:19 AM
Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So be scared!!! Be very, very scared!! / snicker USA might have thought about that during the decades when they were breaking promises, bailing on treaties, rampaging thru the world, demonizing, insulting, threatening and pillaging Russia. All that bad karma building up would be enough to make anybody nervous!
Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So be scared!!! Be very, very scared!! / snicker USA might have thought about that during the decades when they were breaking promises, bailing on treaties, rampaging thru the world, demonizing, insulting, threatening and pillaging Russia. All that bad karma building up would be enough to make anybody nervous!The last time the USA stole somebody's land was the Spanish-American War in 1896. In 2022, Putin is stealing somebody's land. Signym vaguely pointing to American history really does not justify Putin's theft. Even Putin can't justify his thieving, judging by the words he is using. Putin's lamebrain justification presented as a "fact": "So, I will start with the fact that modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia. This process started practically right after the 1917 revolution, and Lenin and his associates did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia — by separating, severing what is historically Russian land." You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe what Putin is saying, but he knows his audience. Mr. Putin is repeating his longstanding argument that Ukraine’s borders are an artificial creation of Soviet planners who unjustly cordoned rightful Russian land within the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. In reality, internal Soviet borders reflected centuries-old cultural and political divides, as well as what Moscow’s own census takers found to be an ethnic Ukrainian majority throughout that territory, including in what is now eastern Ukraine. Mr. Putin’s comments, which build on his justification for annexing Crimea in 2014, imply a mandate to assert Russian sovereignty over part or all of eastern Ukraine, as well, even if for now he is only recognizing the independence of the Moscow-backed separatists who control parts of it. His repeated references to Ukraine as artificial, and his past claims that “Ukraine is not even a state,” as he said in 2008, suggest he may also be leaving himself the option of declaring all of Ukraine to be a historical invention, serving to justify a wider invasion. More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220223121809/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/world/europe/putin-speech-russia-ukraine.html
Thursday, February 24, 2022 11:46 AM
Thursday, February 24, 2022 12:01 PM
Thursday, February 24, 2022 12:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Putin is a liar and by extension a coward surprise surprise. I hope the Russian people realize that when he threatens nuclear war that he is in a hardened bunker, they are not. They really do need to wake the fuck up. T
Thursday, February 24, 2022 12:45 PM
Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:00 PM
Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Time will tell second. This may turn out to be a monumental mistake on Putins’ part. Let’s hope it is. So far the Ukrainians are fighting back. Even having more success than predicted. So far Putin has not shut down the Ukraine military's ability to communicate with each other. Another mistake... T
Thursday, February 24, 2022 2:52 PM
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Friday, February 25, 2022 7:39 AM
Friday, February 25, 2022 8:42 AM
Friday, February 25, 2022 9:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: The places and people in the world that are righteous stand with them. T
Friday, February 25, 2022 10:02 AM
Friday, February 25, 2022 10:07 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: The places and people in the world that are righteous stand with them. T
Friday, February 25, 2022 11:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: He better hurry. And even if he does, he will never hold it. Nobody's heart is in this but his. There is no long game. Hell, there is no short or medium game except death and destruction - Putin's true talent. I'll wager Ukrainians are even more emboldened to fight back now, at whatever cost. More so than before they ousted Yanukovych. They've had 8 years of "Not Putin" and they don't want to go back.
Friday, February 25, 2022 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: The places and people in the world that are righteous stand with them. T
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