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'Kyle did nothing wrong'? or the crimes of the Kenosha Shooter
Monday, November 15, 2021 9:09 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: So, does this mean that the illiterate Racist Anti-Constitution Prosecutor will charge and convict him of this weapons charge? Or is the fact that he is white absolve him, and only half-Hispanics like Kyle get to be charged with Fake Charges?
Monday, November 15, 2021 9:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It doesn't matter what he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon. It's one thing to shoot gooks running away from a helicopter ... you can take time to pick your targets and aim. It's another to shoot when a mob is chasing you and one is pointing a weapon at you. I know there are various legal limits on self defense in various states. Not sure of the applicable law in this state, but IMHO some of the limits that I've seen require far more cool-headedness than I would expect of the average civilian. When faced with - literally- an enraged mob (a mob which, apparently, mistakenly believes that you just shot somebody) there is no hope of self defense unless you have a gun. If Rittenhouse REALLY wanted to kill libtards, he would have positioned himself on a tall building, and started picking people off, like any sensible mass shooter. Yanno, like you shooting from a helicopter. So instead of grinding on and on with your obsession about Rittenhouse's supposed motives ... and you have a consistent history of being wrong with your "mind reading" ... you should look at his actions. The evidence. There's a lot of it. What does it say?
Monday, November 15, 2021 11:02 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It doesn't matter what he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon. It's one thing to shoot gooks running away from a helicopter ... you can take time to pick your targets and aim. It's another to shoot when a mob is chasing you and one is pointing a weapon at you. I know there are various legal limits on self defense in various states. Not sure of the applicable law in this state, but IMHO some of the limits that I've seen require far more cool-headedness than I would expect of the average civilian. When faced with - literally- an enraged mob (a mob which, apparently, mistakenly believes that you just shot somebody) there is no hope of self defense unless you have a gun. If Rittenhouse REALLY wanted to kill libtards, he would have positioned himself on a tall building, and started picking people off, like any sensible mass shooter. Yanno, like you shooting from a helicopter. So instead of grinding on and on with your obsession about Rittenhouse's supposed motives ... and you have a consistent history of being wrong with your "mind reading" ... you should look at his actions. The evidence. There's a lot of it. What does it say?According to court documents obtained by Insider, prosecutors are seeking to have the judge admit the video as evidence in Rittenhouse's upcoming trial. They said the video provided "crucial insight" into Rittenhouse's state of mind in summer 2020. The 29-second video, which has been published by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, does not show Rittenhouse's face. The video was apparently filmed across the street from a CVS Pharmacy, where several hooded people could be seen rushing out and clutching items. A voice that sounds like Rittenhouse's can be heard saying, "Bro, I wish I had my f---ing AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them." In their motion on Wednesday, Prosecutors wrote that the new video, taken just 15 days before the Kenosha shootings, showed Rittenhouse "saw something, jumped to a conclusion based on exactly zero facts, and then threatened to kill someone based on his baseless assumption and wrongful interpretation." Prosecutors added that Rittenhouse didn't know the people outside the CVS or what they were doing, was merely watching from a vehicle parked across the street, and was not interacting with anyone involved. "The video proves that the defendant was ready and willing to use deadly force in a situation where it was completely unjustified," the motion said. "The video also demonstrates that the defendant fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him," prosecutors added. https://www.insider.com/prosecutors-say-kyle-rittenhouse-video-shows-wanted-to-shoot-people-2021-8 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:44 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 1:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Just imagine your court case when they ask for the archive of all the horrible shit you've said here.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 2:35 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ...
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ... The bit about a gun pointed "at this head" might be an exaggeration. Maybe in the general direction of is more like what I've read. I'm curious about the protocol of self defense. If I sight on you, but then move my gun to aim at something else, what's the timeline for it to count as self defense? So, if I sight on you then aim at something else, obviously if you shoot me 5 days later, it's not self defense because I'm not am imminent threat. How about 5 minutes? Or 5 seconds? At what point is it reasonably thought of as self defense instead of murder? Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Just imagine your court case when they ask for the archive of all the horrible shit you've said here.Rittenhouse said he would kill his victims with his AR-15 and he did.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: If Trump ever disappears, the Feds will be checking the digestive tracks of pig farms in the general area of your IP address in Texas. Because you said you'd kill him and get away with it and feed his body to the pigs. Don't worry, Second. I know you deleted it, but that's what archive sites are for.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: If Trump ever disappears, the Feds will be checking the digestive tracks of pig farms in the general area of your IP address in Texas. Because you said you'd kill him and get away with it and feed his body to the pigs. Don't worry, Second. I know you deleted it, but that's what archive sites are for.I like the picture of angry Trumptards looking at entrails for traces of Trump. It will require advanced DNA science to detect the difference between what is Trump and what is pig shit. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:32 AM
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What the shit? Why are you relying on the Media to tell you what to think all the time? Has Covid made you as dumb as Joe Biden*? Have you not seen this video? https://www.bitchute.com/video/GMyOLOS8c0CG/ -------------------------------------------------- Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:10 AM
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: But THIS video CLEARLY shows that as Rittenhouse was running, he TURNED AROUND AND AIMED HIS AR AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING AFTER HIM HIM. https://news.yahoo.com/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: But THIS video CLEARLY shows that as Rittenhouse was running, he TURNED AROUND AND AIMED HIS AR AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING AFTER HIM HIM. https://news.yahoo.com/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html HIM HIM? Rittenhouse came there to kill his political enemies if there was an opportunity. As he was running away, he realized this was the opportunity he had been waiting for. He had a gun. He had a motive. He had an excuse to kill his enemies. Later, his highly paid defense team could magically turn homicide into self-defense. It was the end to a perfect evening for Rittenhouse. Much more fun for Rittenhouse than staying home and watching TV. When I was a kid, we'd have pine cone wars at night, hitting each other only with brown pine cones because the green ones were small, hard and would break the skin. Rocks were absolutely forbidden weapons. I guess Rittenhouse never played that war game with pine cones. He skipped over brown pine cones, green pine cones, rocks, and went directly to lead bullets. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:17 PM
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Supreme Court Is About to Open the Door to a Lot More Kyle Rittenhouse Situations When Everything Is “Self-Defense” and everyone gets a gun.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ... The bit about a gun pointed "at this head" might be an exaggeration. Maybe in the general direction of is more like what I've read. I'm curious about the protocol of self defense. If I sight on you, but then move my gun to aim at something else, what's the timeline for it to count as self defense? So, if I sight on you then aim at something else, obviously if you shoot me 5 days later, it's not self defense because I'm not am imminent threat. How about 5 minutes? Or 5 seconds? At what point is it reasonably thought of as self defense instead of murder? Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What the shit? Why are you relying on the Media to tell you what to think all the time? Has Covid made you as dumb as Joe Biden*? Have you not seen this video? https://www.bitchute.com/video/GMyOLOS8c0CG/
Quote:Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:01 PM
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you. That's why you're a stupid and ignorant bitch. I didn't make the video. That unedited video has been around since the very day of the incident. Good luck finding it on YouTube anymore where the Leftist Activists ban anyone who doesn't follow conform to the narrative. It's not being removed from Bitchute though.
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: The Supreme Court Is About to Open the Door to a Lot More Kyle Rittenhouse Situations When Everything Is “Self-Defense” and everyone gets a gun. Hey dickhead. Your boy with one arm had a gun. Unlike Kyle's it was an illegal firearm.
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:50 AM
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Jack and J ... I've seen more videos than the 2 of you put together. There was MUTUAL gun-pointing going on. It's there - on undeniable video. I even posted a link that cleanly shows Rittenhouse pointing his AR at people. So who's the aggressor, and who's the defender? IT DEPENDS WHO STARTED IT. But all the videos show the end, and none show the beginning.
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 9:59 AM
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:25 AM
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:23 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: Rittenhouse Attorneys Livid After Prosecutors Withheld High-Def Drone Footage, Gave Them "Compressed Version" Wednesday, Nov 17, 2021 - 11:02 AM Authored by Andrea Widburg via American Thinker (emphasis ours), During the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, the prosecution argued that Kyle provoked the men who attacked him by waving his gun. To prove this, during the trial, the prosecution gave the defense fuzzy drone footage. There was a great deal of argument about what could be extrapolated from that fuzzy view. It turns out that the prosecution had within its possession a high-quality video that it played for the judge after the trial ended. On this, and other evidentiary grounds, the defense moved for a mistrial with prejudice. [With prejudice: no retrial possible] Defense attorney Mark Richards gives his closing argument on Monday The defense motion states the facts with sufficient clarity that I'm going to reprint them here verbatim: On November 5. 2021, the fifth day of trial on this case, the prosecution turned over to the defense footage of a drone video which captured some of the incident from August 25, 2020. The problem is, the prosecution gave the defense a compressed version of the video. What that means is the video provided to the defense was not as clear as the video kept by the state. The file size of the defense video is 3.6 MB and the state's is 11.2 MB. Further, the dimensions on our video are 480 x 212, the state's, 1920 x 844. The video which was in the state's possession, wasn't provided to the defense until after the trial concluded. During the jury instructions conference, the defense played their version of the video for the court to review. The state indicated their version was much clearer and had their tech person come into court to have the court review their clearer video. The video is the same; the resolution of that video, however, was not. The state did not provide their quality video to the defense until Saturday, November 13, 2021, and only did so upon specific request by Attorney Wisco — two days before closing arguments and after the evidence had been closed. Under Wisconsin law, when the defense makes a demand, the prosecution must provide to the defense "[a]ny physical evidence that the district attorney intends to offer in evidence at the trial" and "[a]ny exculpatory evidence." That's Wisconsin Stat. § 971.23(1)(g) & (h). I don't have the time to research the law, but my bet is that if Wisconsin's appellate court ever had before it the question of whether the prosecutor may get away with producing bastardized, degraded versions of the requested evidence, it would say emphatically not. The motion for a mistrial with prejudice also raises the fact that, when Kyle Rittenhouse took the witness stand, the prosecutors improperly accused him of keeping silent after his arrest. That right, of course, is enshrined in the famous Miranda rights warning that all arrestees in America receive: "You have the right to remain silent ..." The corollary to that right is that this silence cannot be used against the defendant in a court of law, but that's exactly what the prosecution tried to do.
Quote: The motion reminds the court that a motion for retrial in Wisconsin can be granted with prejudice (i.e., no retrial) if the evidence shows prosecutorial overreach. To make this showing, the prosecutor's action must be intentional in that he clearly knew that his acts would be prejudicial to the defendant. The alleged misconduct must also have been purposefully intended to throw a trial that's going badly, justifying a mistrial and a second prosecutorial bite at the apple. Here, the prosecution ignored not just a court order, but the whole principle behind the Miranda warning and could only have acted intentionally when it sprang a video on the defense at the last moment and gave the defense only a poor-quality copy of the original evidence. Both of those things scream intentionality. As you may recall, the prosecution produced the drone footage at the last minute to support the claim that Kyle was waving his rifle around in a way that would provoke other people to engage in self-defense against him. Thus, they argued, Joseph Rosenbaum, who had been setting fires, tried to burn police as they sat in their patrol cars, swung chains at people, and screamed the N-word, was himself acting in self-defense when he told Kyle earlier that he was going to kill Kyle, and then raced after Kyle, cornered him in a parking lot, and grabbed for his long gun. To state the argument is to realize how ridiculous it is. However, it's consistent with the prosecution's other argument on closing, which was that anyone who isn't carrying a gun is not a threat and that the person with a gun should always yield gracefully to a non-gun beating. By contrast, said the prosecution, a gun is inherently a threat. This picture of Reginald Denny, with nothing more, shows how ridiculous the first argument is: The second argument vitiates the Second Amendment. If carrying a gun is inherently threatening, then no one ever has a right to defend himself. As of this writing, the jury spent Monday deliberating without reaching a decision. By the time you read this, the trial may be over. The jury may have found Kyle guilty, in which case the mob gathered outside will celebrate by destroying property. It may have found Kyle innocent, in which case the mob will try once again to burn Kenosha. And the judge may have granted the motion, in which case the mob will also try to burn it all down.
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:30 PM
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, what does this all mean? If prosecutors had a BETTER, higher resolution drone footage of the event showing that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun, why withhold it? Wouldn't it have bolstered their case, instead of forcing jurors to squint at a grainy image, trying to decipher what it showed? Or did the better video show people in the mob making threatening gestures as well? And why would prosecutors go against the judge's EXPLICIT instructions not to bring up Rittenhouse's "right to remain silent" (as well as contravene the Constitution)? Either the prosecution is unimagineably imcompetent, or they're deliberately setting up a for mistrial. Their performance is puzzling, to say the least.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh... and P.S. There is no such thing as "enhanced" video. Anybody saying that there is is lying to you. Stop watching stupid cop shows.
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 4:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'll bet all the jurors are buying guns after this. They know that they're going to be murdered if they don't give the "right" verdict.
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 4:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, what does this all mean? If prosecutors had a BETTER, higher resolution drone footage of the event showing that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun, why withhold it? Wouldn't it have bolstered their case, instead of forcing jurors to squint at a grainy image, trying to decipher what it showed? Or did the better video show people in the mob making threatening gestures as well? And why would prosecutors go against the judge's EXPLICIT instructions not to bring up Rittenhouse's "right to remain silent" (as well as contravene the Constitution)? Either the prosecution is unimaginably incompetent, or they're deliberately setting up a for mistrial. Their performance is puzzling, to say the least. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 5:02 PM
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 5:27 PM
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:56 PM
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Thursday, November 18, 2021 3:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: With Biden* failing on everything, Ted didn't even post today and Second has only posted in this thread. At least he's not posting about Trump now.
Thursday, November 18, 2021 4:14 AM
Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol I knew all I had to do to get the bot to post about Trump was to mention his name.
Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:52 AM
Thursday, November 18, 2021 10:45 AM
Thursday, November 18, 2021 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Who set the Bot to the Bible Channel again?
Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Who set the Bot to the Bible Channel again?The law gives even foolish men the right to defend their lives. But an acquittal does not make a foolish man a hero. A political movement that turns a deadly and ineffective vigilante into a role model is a movement that is courting more violence and encouraging more young men to recklessly brandish weapons in dangerous places, and that will spill more blood in America’s streets. Was that simple enough for you to understand, 6ix? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, November 18, 2021 5:57 PM
Thursday, November 18, 2021 6:46 PM
Thursday, November 18, 2021 7:00 PM
Thursday, November 18, 2021 8:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Supposedly the jurors aren't seeing the coverage - or threats- but something filters in anyway. Also, their extremely biased reporting would amp up mob violence if the jury came back with anything less than a murder conviction. That implicit threat might factor into a jury decision, even tho it's not supposed to. Whatever happened to truthful, investigative reporting? It's all opinion, accusation, and spin.
Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:10 PM
Friday, November 19, 2021 4:47 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Judge bans PMSNBC, NBC from courthouse. Whatever happened to truthful, investigative reporting? It's all opinion, accusation, and spin. Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. MSNBC "journalist" should be in prison along with George Floyd's nephew for intimidating the jury. ]
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Judge bans PMSNBC, NBC from courthouse. Whatever happened to truthful, investigative reporting? It's all opinion, accusation, and spin.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Judge bans PMSNBC, NBC from courthouse.
Friday, November 19, 2021 8:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. MSNBC "journalist" should be in prison along with George Floyd's nephew for intimidating the jury.
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