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Privilege in the United States
Monday, June 11, 2007 8:07 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: Hero the psycho. Doped to the gills and selling the police state. Lovely.
Monday, June 11, 2007 1:03 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 PM
RIVER6213
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: River- it's nice to see someone with passion. Sometimes I forget why I think the way I do. Thanks for reminding me. --------------------------------- Always look upstream.
Friday, June 29, 2007 7:19 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Friday, June 29, 2007 8:14 AM
LEADB
Friday, June 29, 2007 9:40 AM
Friday, June 29, 2007 11:22 AM
Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:04 AM
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Monday, July 5, 2021 1:56 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Monday, July 5, 2021 6:57 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, July 5, 2021 9:19 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Well. He's got billions. He can just go right ahead and start handing them out. Meanwhile, I'll never work a job again that makes enough to pay Federal Taxes. Just add this to the ever-growing list of shit I don't approve my tax dollars going to.
Monday, July 5, 2021 10:04 PM
Monday, July 5, 2021 10:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You have fun paying for it, mkay?
Monday, July 5, 2021 11:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You have fun paying for it, mkay?I know a way to get your vote for reparations: pay white people the white per capita income minus the black per capita income. That's $36,962 for whites and $23,303 for blacks.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 12:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You have fun paying for it, mkay?I know a way to get your vote for reparations: pay white people the white per capita income minus the black per capita income. That's $36,962 for whites and $23,303 for blacks. That's just fucking stupid.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:23 AM
Quote: Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television (BET) and America’s first Black billionaire, has called on the US to pay $14 trillion in reparations to address the long-lasting impacts of slavery.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 8:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You have fun paying for it, mkay?I know a way to get your vote for reparations: pay white people the white per capita income minus the black per capita income. That's $36,962 for whites and $23,303 for blacks. That's just fucking stupid.No. It's money.
Quote:Congress could easily afford to put $13,659 ($36,962 minus $23,303) direct deposited into your bank account
Quote:to buy your vote for reparations.
Quote:Unless you are too proud to take the money.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 8:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA. What about if we take that $14 trillion and invest in ... steel mills? Textiles? Automobile manufacturing? Smaller farms? Machining? Doesn't he think there's something more useful can be done with that money?
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 10:21 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 12:53 PM
Quote:SIGNYM: I HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA. What about if we take that $14 trillion and invest in ... steel mills? Textiles? Automobile manufacturing? Smaller farms? Machining? Doesn't he think there's something more useful can be done with that money? SECONDRATE: Rather than more of what corporations already profitably own, how about the Federal government building something that businesses won't pay for because it is not profitable? 100% clean energy economy and zero CO2 emissions? But the GOP blocks that Federal spending:
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 2:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIGNYM: I HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA. What about if we take that $14 trillion and invest in ... steel mills? Textiles? Automobile manufacturing? Smaller farms? Machining? Doesn't he think there's something more useful can be done with that money? SECONDRATE: Rather than more of what corporations already profitably own, how about the Federal government building something that businesses won't pay for because it is not profitable? 100% clean energy economy and zero CO2 emissions? But the GOP blocks that Federal spending: Because businesses "profitably own" those manufacturing plants IN CHINA, not here. But I've got nothing against clean energy and infrastructure. Let's do those, too. But we can't forget manufacturing, farming, and intelligent forestry if we want to be economically independent. We should do all manufacturing here, at home.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 3:31 PM
Quote:SIGNYM: I HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA. What about if we take that $14 trillion and invest in ... steel mills? Textiles? Automobile manufacturing? Smaller farms? Machining? Doesn't he think there's something more useful can be done with that money? SECONDRATE: Rather than more of what corporations already profitably own, how about the Federal government building something that businesses won't pay for because it is not profitable? 100% clean energy economy and zero CO2 emissions? But the GOP blocks that Federal spending: SIGNMYM: Because businesses "profitably own" those manufacturing plants IN CHINA, not here. But I've got nothing against clean energy and infrastructure. Let's do those, too. But we can't forget manufacturing, farming, and intelligent forestry if we want to be economically independent. We should do all manufacturing here, at home. SECONDRATE: "We should do all manufacturing here, at home." Do you know any corporation that has the goal you stated?
Quote: Do you know any American who has that goal and is in a position to make it happen?
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: No. The profit motive keeps it from happening. That's why it needs to be initiated by government. MAGA politicians, esp at the Presidential level.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 4:40 PM
Quote:SIGNYM: No. The profit motive keeps it from happening. That's why it needs to be initiated by government. MAGA politicians, esp at the Presidential level. SECONDRATE: Try harder, Signym. Your answers explain nothing about why American businesses are not run to create more and more jobs.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIGNYM: No. The profit motive keeps it from happening. That's why it needs to be initiated by government. MAGA politicians, esp at the Presidential level. SECONDRATE: Try harder, Signym. Your answers explain nothing about why American businesses are not run to create more and more jobs. Oh PUHLEEZ, SECONDRATE! As if this hasn't been hashed out a million times by now, EVEN BY YOU. Weren't YOU the one who brought up Thorstein Veblen and the problem of rentier capitalism? Stop being such a dick. If you can.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 6:37 PM
Quote: SECONDRATE: Industry will NOT create more jobs because productivity is constantly rising. The number of jobs is always decreasing,
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 7:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: SECONDRATE: Industry will NOT create more jobs because productivity is constantly rising. The number of jobs is always decreasing, Well, see? You knew what the problem was, all along! It's in the nature of capitalism. Which is why some decisions can't be left to business owners, like you.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 9:19 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 9:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Fed up with work stress, Guo Jianlong quit a newspaper job in Beijing and moved to China’s mountain southwest to “lie flat.” Mr. Guo joined a small but visible handful of Chinese urban professionals who are rattling the ruling Communist Party by rejecting grueling careers for a “low-desire life.” That is clashing with the party’s message of success and consumerism as it celebrates the 100th anniversary of its founding.
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 10:01 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2021 10:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Fed up with work stress, Guo Jianlong quit a newspaper job in Beijing and moved to China’s mountain southwest to “lie flat.” Mr. Guo joined a small but visible handful of Chinese urban professionals who are rattling the ruling Communist Party by rejecting grueling careers for a “low-desire life.” That is clashing with the party’s message of success and consumerism as it celebrates the 100th anniversary of its founding. Good man. Glad he figured it out too. I'm curious, Second. Are you looking up to this man yourself? I figured out that lesson at least a decade before you and I ever conversed, and no matter how many times you try to make me feel lousy about it, I'm proud of the fact that I can live comfortably on about $6,000 per year. Fuck the rat race and keeping up with the joneses. I've only been employed half of my adult working life, and I owe nobody a dime. It's amazing how far you can make bullshit wages stretch if you save up for what you buy and never give the borrowers their interest. Especially once you've learned how to distinguish Wants from Needs and you learn to Just Say No to buying all of the shit you don't need. Most of it you really, really don't need.
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 1:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Fed up with work stress, Guo Jianlong quit a newspaper job in Beijing and moved to China’s mountain southwest to “lie flat.” Mr. Guo joined a small but visible handful of Chinese urban professionals who are rattling the ruling Communist Party by rejecting grueling careers for a “low-desire life.” That is clashing with the party’s message of success and consumerism as it celebrates the 100th anniversary of its founding. Good man. Glad he figured it out too. I'm curious, Second. Are you looking up to this man yourself? I figured out that lesson at least a decade before you and I ever conversed, and no matter how many times you try to make me feel lousy about it, I'm proud of the fact that I can live comfortably on about $6,000 per year. Fuck the rat race and keeping up with the joneses. I've only been employed half of my adult working life, and I owe nobody a dime. It's amazing how far you can make bullshit wages stretch if you save up for what you buy and never give the borrowers their interest. Especially once you've learned how to distinguish Wants from Needs and you learn to Just Say No to buying all of the shit you don't need. Most of it you really, really don't need.Did you notice that the Communist Chinese version of Capitalism has all the same shortcomings of American-brand Capitalism, except the Chinese work from 9 A.M to 9 P.M. six days per week? It is a flaw in Capitalism, as practiced in China and America, when most of the money goes to the top 1% and most of the misery goes to the bottom 50%. I have known this since I worked at Burger King as a 13 year old in 1965. But Burger King did have all the french fries and milk shakes I can steal, so that helped me adjust to the hard Capitalistic world.
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 4:11 AM
Quote:SECONDRATE: Industry will NOT create more jobs because productivity is constantly rising. The number of jobs is always decreasing, SIGNYM: Well, see? You knew what the problem was, all along! It's in the nature of capitalism. Which is why some decisions can't be left to business owners, like you. SECONDRATE: Some decisions? It has always been completely obvious that no important decisions can be left to Capitalists to make since Capitalistic decisions are only about money, nothing more. If it was up to Capitalism, slavery would have never ended, at least nominally. Plenty of low paying jobs look to me exactly the same as slavery with the exception that the Capitalists don't care what happens to their slaves because they don't own the slaves and can't trade them for money.
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So why were you pretending that you didn't know what "the problem" was, SECONDRATE?
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:27 AM
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Man... You are really a person at odds with yourself. Sometimes I really do feel sorry for you.
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Man... You are really a person at odds with yourself. Sometimes I really do feel sorry for you.No, I am not. If you remember A Christmas Tale, Ebenezer Scrooge is not the same man at the end of the story as he was at the beginning. That is the entire point of the story! His Soul is Saved by fear of Christmas Future. I am the best imaginable Scrooge. I am also a hardcore Capitalist, same as Scrooge, but Tiny Tim knows me as generous, especially at Bah humbug Christmas. Trumptards, being natural born misers and short on money, call it virtue signalling because they disapprove.
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:54 AM
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 7:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Man... You are really a person at odds with yourself. Sometimes I really do feel sorry for you.No, I am not. If you remember A Christmas Tale, Ebenezer Scrooge is not the same man at the end of the story as he was at the beginning. That is the entire point of the story! His Soul is Saved by fear of Christmas Future. I am the best imaginable Scrooge. I am also a hardcore Capitalist, same as Scrooge, but Tiny Tim knows me as generous, especially at Bah humbug Christmas. Trumptards, being natural born misers and short on money, call it virtue signalling because they disapprove. No. You don't actually own a business or have any money. But you wish you did and you hate the fact that you wish you did. You're clearly a miserable person. I hope you figure out how to turn that around.
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 10:21 PM
Wednesday, July 7, 2021 11:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't see how that line of thinking is helpful at all to your plight.
Thursday, July 8, 2021 2:23 AM
Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't see how that line of thinking is helpful at all to your plight.The very first line of this thread was: White Privilege in the United States, Is it true or not? Do we have an advantage because of our race, or color? Is this the original Affirmative Action? What do you think about it? http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=28947&mid=500929#500929 The privileged people in America are the Scrooges, who tend to be White, not the Cratchites, who tend to be poor white trash and non-Whites. At the beginning of A Christmas Carol, Cratchit didn't even have a name. He was just 'clerk' until the fifth and final chapter. All of Scrooge's Capitalist thinking was about saving his precious little soul from going to Hell for the previous 4 Chapters, nothing about his clerk Cratchit's welfare. Scrooge is a very privileged guy who didn't give a damn about anybody but himself, which is a very Capitalist way of thinking. If A Christmas Carol had been steered more toward Cratchit, the poor white trash, Scrooge would have been very upset. How dare that clerk appear in my story, which should be all about me, Me, ME and my Immortal Soul! The privileged Americans of today really don't like being reminded that their Cratchites, either the non-White kind or the poor white trash kind, are kicked around by the privileged American Scrooges, most of whom falsely deny they are privileged or that they kick around their employees. www.gutenberg.org/files/46/46-h/46-h.htm#link5 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, SECONDRATE, you posted that the REAL privilege is wealth, not color. That the problem is sourced in capitalism, not racism. And by extrapolation, BLM. CRT and all the rest are just distraction/sideshow to keep people of all colors fighting each other instead of fighting for a fair system. Correct?
Quote:Scrooge was better than his word. He did it all, and infinitely more; and to Tiny Tim, who did not die, he was a second father. He became as good a friend, as good a master, and as good a man, as the good old city knew, or any other good old city, town, or borough, in the good old world. Some people laughed to see the alteration in him, but he let them laugh, and little heeded them; for he was wise enough to know that nothing ever happened on this globe, for good, at which some people did not have their fill of laughter in the outset; and knowing that such as these would be blind anyway, he thought it quite as well that they should wrinkle up their eyes in grins, as have the malady in less attractive forms. His own heart laughed: and that was quite enough for him.
Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RiveR6213: Is it true or not?
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