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Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:57 AM
THG
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:06 AM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:16 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump never admits he is guilty.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Trump is being impeached tomorrow. tick tock
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:25 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by THG: OK, lev Parnas pays Rudy and Rudy spreads Putins' propaganda. Keep your heads in the game people. Trump is still playing with Russia. He is working with them to manipulate our 2020 elections. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:37 AM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:50 AM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 12:36 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Latvian government says it flagged ‘suspicious’ Hunter Biden payments in 2016 John Solomon December 17, 2019 As the U.S. presidential race began roaring to life in 2016, authorities in the former Soviet republic of Latvia flagged a series of “ suspicious” financial transactions to Hunter Biden and other colleagues at a Ukrainian natural gas company and sought Kiev’s help investigating, according to documents and interviews. The Feb. 18, 2016 alert to Ukraine came from the Latvian prosecutorial agency responsible for investigating money laundering, and it specifically questioned whether Vice President Joe Biden’s younger son and three other officials at Burisma Holdings were the potential beneficiaries of suspect funds. “The Office for Prevention of Laundering of Proceeds Derived from Criminal Activity … is currently investigating suspicious activity of Burisma Holdings Limited,” the Latvian agency also known as the FIU wrote Ukraine’s financial authorities. The memo was released to me by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor’s Office and confirmed by the Latvian embassy to the United States. Latvian authorities said they did not get any incriminating information back from Ukraine to warrant further investigation and did not take additional action in 2016. But the memo adds to the mounting evidence that there was ongoing investigative activity surrounding Burisma Holdings and Hunter Biden’s compensation as a board member in the weeks just before Joe Biden forced the firing of the Ukraine prosecutor overseeing the Burisma investigation in spring 2016. The Latvian law enforcement memo identified a series of loan payments totaling about $16.6 million that were routed from companies in Beliz and the United Kingdom
Quote: to Burisma through Ukraine’s PrivatBank between 2012 and 2015. The flagged funds were “partially transferred” to Hunter Biden, a board member at Burisma since May 2014, and three other officials working for the Ukrainian natural gas company, the Latvian memo said. The letter asked Ukrainian officials for any evidence about whether the funds were involved in corruption and whether Ukrainian officials were investigating Burisma and the recipients of the money. “On the grounds of possible legalization of proceeds derived from criminal activity and corruption, please grant us permission to share the information included in the reply to this request with Latvian law enforcement entities for intelligence purposes only,” the letter said. Arturs Saburovs, the Third Secretary at the Latvian embassy in Washington, confirmed his country flagged the transactions in February 2016 after seeing public reports that Burisma was under investigation in Ukraine and that Hunter Biden served on the company’s board. He said Latvia did not receive any evidence back from Ukraine to further its investigation. ... When I first divulged Joe Biden’s role in Shokin’s firing last year, Democrats and their allies in the media and Ukrainian civil society organizations claimed it was no big deal because the Burisma investigation in Ukraine was dormant at the time Biden took action. But since that time, significant evidence has emerged that the investigation was, in fact, active and that Burisma itself had concerns about the corruption allegations swirling around it. For instance, Ukrainian prosecutors confirmed in December 2015 they transferred their investigative files to detectives at the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine to pursue several leads. On Feb. 2, 2016, the Ukraine prosecutor general’s office secured a court order to re-seize the assets of Burisma Holdings founder Mykola Zlochevsky. Officers went to the home, placed seizure notices and took items from the home that included a luxury car, officials said. About two weeks later, the Latvian suspicious financial transactions memo was transmitted to Ukrainian authorities. And then in late February, according to U.S. documents recently released under the Freedom of Information Act, Burisma’s American representatives pressed the U.S. State Department to try to help end the corruption allegations against the company. You can read those documents here. By mid-March 2016, State’s top official for Ukraine policy publicly called for Shokin’s ouster, and less than three weeks later Joe Biden managed to force Ukraine’s president to fire Shokin by threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees. Almost immediately, Burisma’s American legal team was in Ukraine seeking to meet with Shokin’s replacement at the Ukraine prosecutor general’s office. A summary of an April 6, 2016 meeting between Burisma representatives and Ukraine prosecutors – released by the Prosecutor General’s Office – states “false information” was used to justify Shokin’s firing. Whatever the case, the corruption investigations were dropped in late 2016 and early 2017, and Burisma paid a penalty for tax issues. But early in 2019, NABU and the Ukraine prosecutor general’s office announced they were reopening the investigation into Burisma, specifically to revisit the allegations about money laundering, according to the notice of suspicion released by prosecutors in that country. You can read NABU’s request to reopen the probe here. That probe is ongoing and recently was expanded to look at other issues. And the entire Burisma episode is now part of the larger impeachment proceedings playing out in America against President Donald Trump.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 12:44 PM
Quote: Rudy Giuliani: Yovanovitch was part of cover up, she had to be ousted By Staff Writer - December 17, 2019 “Trump was simply asking new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — in a July phone call — to investigate crimes at the “highest levels” of both Kiev and Washington,” Rudy Giuliani, a personal attorney for President Trump, told Laura Ingraham on “The Ingraham Angle.” “So, he is being impeached for doing the right thing as president of the United States,” he said. Giuliani told Laura Ingraham on “The Ingraham Angle” that he helped forced out Yovanovitch because she was corrupt and obstructing the investigation into Ukraine and the Bidens. Dem’s impeachment for innocent conduct is intended to obstruct the below investigations of Obama-era corruption: – Billions of laundered $ – Billions, mostly US $, widely misused – Extortion – Bribery – DNC collusion w/ Ukraine to destroy candidate Trump Much more to come. — Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) December 15, 2019 He told Ingraham that he needed her out of the way because she was corrupt. Giuliani said he was not the first person to go to the president with concerns about the diplomat. In more tweets Tuesday, Giuliani elaborated: “Yovanovitch needed to be removed for many reasons most critical she was denying visas to Ukrainians who wanted to come to US and explain Dem corruption in Ukraine. She was OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE and that’s not the only thing she was doing. She at minimum enabled Ukrainian collusion.” — Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) December 17, 2019
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:00 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:11 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You already fired all of your Republican workers. Nobody's fault but your own that all you're left with are the lazy Democrats that can't be bothered to vote or come into work without being so hung over that you can see it in their eyes. Do Right, Be Right. :)I did not fire them all. I persecuted the ones who were stealing fuel, stealing power tools, and embezzling. Firing them would have been far cheaper, but instead I hired lawyers and P.I.s to make a solid case for the D.A. The County does not have the resources or time to investigate and get felony convictions, but I do. Then the crooked Trump lovers are left to plead guilty or go to court and get a long prison sentence for lying about their innocence. I know Trump would lie and declare himself innocent, but he can stall a court for many years with his lawyers, until the prosecution gives up the criminal case and accepts a few million dollars in restitution from Trump. Trump never admits he is guilty. Legal affairs of Donald Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You already fired all of your Republican workers. Nobody's fault but your own that all you're left with are the lazy Democrats that can't be bothered to vote or come into work without being so hung over that you can see it in their eyes. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: OK, lev Parnas pays Rudy and Rudy spreads Putins' propaganda. Keep your heads in the game people. Trump is still playing with Russia. He is working with them to manipulate our 2020 elections. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:47 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:53 PM
Quote:SIX: You already fired all of your Republican workers. Nobody's fault but your own that all you're left with are the lazy Democrats that can't be bothered to vote or come into work without being so hung over that you can see it in their eyes. SECOND: I did not fire them all. I persecuted ...
Quote:: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:54 PM
Quote:More about how the efforts of Yuriy Lutsenko and Rudy Giuliani to smear Joe Biden led to a Presidential crisis...
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I see that in the Senate, Mitch McConnell won't allow the prosecution to call witnesses during impeachment. As far as Mitch is concerned, the Senate does not need to hear from any witnesses accusing Trump. But Mitch is interested in hearing witnesses against the Bidens, if that is what Trump wants. Funny thing, V.P. Biden is not being impeached. I wonder what is going on inside Mitch's brain? "McConnell rejects Democrats’ calls for witnesses" www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-rejects-democrats-call-for-new-witnesses-in-senate-impeachment-trial/2019/12/17/dbdc326a-20e9-11ea-bed5-880264cc91a9_story.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIX: You already fired all of your Republican workers. Nobody's fault but your own that all you're left with are the lazy Democrats that can't be bothered to vote or come into work without being so hung over that you can see it in their eyes. SECOND: I did not fire them all. I persecuted ...
Quote:SIX: You already fired all of your Republican workers. Nobody's fault but your own that all you're left with are the lazy Democrats that can't be bothered to vote or come into work without being so hung over that you can see it in their eyes. SECOND: I did not fire them all. I persecuted
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:35 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:36 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIX: You already fired all of your Republican workers. Nobody's fault but your own that all you're left with are the lazy Democrats that can't be bothered to vote or come into work without being so hung over that you can see it in their eyes. SECOND: I did not fire them all. I persecuted ... Well, SECOND accidentally tells the truth! To PERSECUTE Quote:: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/persecute Yep, I'm sure that SECOND persecutes people, and now we have it from the horse's ass itself.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Didn't we already hear from all of the Democrat witnesses? I mean, that's what this circus was all about in the first place, wasn't it? There's no sense in making them all perjure themselves twice. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:52 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: I see that in the Senate, Mitch McConnell won't allow the prosecution to call witnesses during impeachment. As far as Mitch is concerned, the Senate does not need to hear from any witnesses accusing Trump. But Mitch is interested in hearing witnesses against the Bidens, if that is what Trump wants. Funny thing, V.P. Biden is not being impeached. I wonder what is going on inside Mitch's brain? "McConnell rejects Democrats’ calls for witnesses" www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-rejects-democrats-call-for-new-witnesses-in-senate-impeachment-trial/2019/12/17/dbdc326a-20e9-11ea-bed5-880264cc91a9_story.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly Didn't we already hear from all of the Democrat witnesses? I mean, that's what this circus was all about in the first place, wasn't it? There's no sense in making them all perjure themselves twice. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:04 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:10 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. Democrats in 2019 LOVE Bolton. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. Democrats in 2019 LOVE Bolton. Do Right, Be Right. :)Do you mean in the same sense as they love Giuliani, Mulvaney, and Pompeo?
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. Democrats in 2019 LOVE Bolton. Do Right, Be Right. :)Do you mean in the same sense as they love Giuliani, Mulvaney, and Pompeo? Nope I mean in the same way they love tech censorship, James Comey, the FBI, the CIA, George W Bush, Robert Muller and John McCain's ghost. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Didn't we already hear from all of the Democrat witnesses? I mean, that's what this circus was all about in the first place, wasn't it? There's no sense in making them all perjure themselves twice. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: I still think the democrats screwed up with Clinton's impeachment. They needed to make a literal federal case out of what level of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' needed to be reached before something became an IMPEACHABLE offense. Now that the low-bar precedent has been set with Clinton, the floodgates are open for frivolous, or ahem ! 'Trumped-up', impeachments.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:21 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: There is another side to that Trump wooden nickel: always say whatever you are doing is the most incredible thing to ever happen, better than anything any other human has ever done. Dimwits will believe it because simple people WANT to believe. Confrontation, learning is too hard - easier to accept and follow.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So instead of SECOND's, THUGR's, and CCs insane confabulations about ... everything ... how about some real news, with real evidence, from a real investigative reporter?
Quote:John Solomon
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So instead of SECOND's, THUGR's, and CCs insane confabulations about ... everything ... how about some real news, with real evidence, from a real investigative reporter? And the punch line iz: Quote:John Solomon HAHAHAHAHAHA! Great joke, Siggy! ( for anybody hoo duznt get it, Solomon iz a propagandist and conspirasy theorist. Its wut wannabe novelists do theze dayz to earn a living )
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:26 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: HAHAHA! The joke's on you, JO! Solomon has evidence ... documents, memos, visitor logs ... unlike Rachel Madcow, who spent three years hyperventilating about nothing. Jeezus. How about checking into reality on this?
Quote:Signym, you Trump lovers are the scumbags of the world. Everybody wants to kick your worthless Russian troll ass off the planet.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:03 PM
Quote: SIGNY: HAHAHA! The joke's on you, JO! Solomon has evidence ... documents, memos, visitor logs ... unlike Rachel Madcow, who spent three years hyperventilating about nothing. Jeezus. How about checking into reality on this? SECOND: Checking into your "reality", Signym: John Solomon's new “scoop” about Ukraine and Hunter Biden debunks itself. Multiple impeachment witnesses called out Solomon’s work for being full of falsehoods.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Signym, you Trump lovers are the scumbags of the world. Everybody wants to kick your worthless Russian troll ass off the planet. You know better than that SECOND. Statute of limitations clock reset. tic tock
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Signym, you Trump lovers are the scumbags of the world. Everybody wants to kick your worthless Russian troll ass off the planet. You know better than that SECOND. Statute of limitations clock reset. tic tockWell, Signym, not literally everyone wants to kick your ass off the planet. 1kiki doesn't, but that is one Russian troll honoring another. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:22 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:28 PM
Quote:SECOND: Signym, you Trump lovers are the scumbags of the world. Everybody wants to kick your worthless Russian troll ass off the planet. SIGNYM: You know better than that SECOND. Statute of limitations clock reset. tic tock SECOND: Well, Signym, not literally everyone wants to kick your ass off the planet. 1kiki doesn't, but that is one Russian troll honoring another.
Quote:Multiple impeachment witnesses lied their asses off. If you look at transcripts of what the witnesses saw and heard, you would have figured out that they saw and heard NOTHING. Where is the EVIDENCE of any wrongdoing? Memos? Transcripts? Visitor logs? Flight logs? Telephone records? Hello...? Earth to SECOND?
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:34 PM
Quote:In Stunning Public Rebuke, FISA Court Slams FBI, Says Worried About 'Other Warrants' The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court slammed the FBI on Tuesday in a rare public statement over the agency's handling of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page's warrant application and subsequent renewals, according to the Wall Street Journal. "In order to appreciate the seriousness of that misconduct and its implications, it is useful to understand certain procedural and substantive requirements that apply to the government's conduct of electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes," reads the statement. The punchline: "The FBI's handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the OIG report, was antithetical to the hieghtned duty of candor" required by federal investigators, adding "The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable," wrote the court, which called the recent watchdog report from the DOJ's Inspector General "troubling."
Quote: Secretive Surveillance Court Rebukes FBI Over Handling of Wiretapping of Trump Aide Presiding judge describes recent Inspector General report as ‘troubling’ By Byron Tau and Dustin Volz Updated Dec. 17, 2019 6:59 pm ET WASHINGTON—A secret surveillance court issued a rare public order on Tuesday rebuking the Federal Bureau of Investigation for its handling of applications to wiretap Carter Page, a one-time Trump campaign foreign-policy adviser whose monitoring by the government has become the subject of significant public controversy. Judge Rosemary Collyer, the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, called the actions of the FBI “antithetical to the heightened duty of candor” owed to the court by government agents....
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:35 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:42 PM
Quote:... in Texas the crazy people who vote for Republicans show up to vote 100% of the time in every election. ...
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Multiple impeachment witnesses lied their asses off. If you look at transcripts of what the witnesses saw and heard, you would have figured out that they saw and heard NOTHING. Where is the EVIDENCE of any wrongdoing? Memos? Transcripts? Visitor logs? Flight logs? Telephone records? Hello...? Earth to SECOND? Yep, SECOND is doing its level best to not address the problem of lack of evidence. Plus, it's a fucking liar.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:24 PM
Quote:SIGNY: Multiple impeachment witnesses lied their asses off. If you look at transcripts of what the witnesses saw and heard, you would have figured out that they saw and heard NOTHING. Where is the EVIDENCE of any wrongdoing? Memos? Transcripts? Visitor logs? Flight logs? Telephone records? Hello...? Earth to SECOND? Yep, SECOND is doing its level best to not address the problem of lack of evidence. Plus, it's a fucking liar. SECOND: Signym, all that lovely physical evidence you want? That evidence is exactly like Nixon's Watergate Tapes or Trump's tax returns. The President has control of the physical evidence.
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:08 PM
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not true. In the case of the so-called "collusion" the FBI, and presumbaly the CIA and NSA (because of international communications) were all available to find and develop physical evidence, and not only that, they had a warrant to do it. Same thing with Ukraine: There were multiple people involved in Ukraine as well as Trump in the USA with documents and records of their own. Jeez, you're stupid.
Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:18 AM
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