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I just spoke with a representative of a US Senator running for president. I suggested that if the republicans vote not to impeach Trump, it may have to go to the courts.

Why, because what Trump did is specifically mentioned in the constitution as being against the law. And if the evidence of Trumps guilt is overwhelming, then by virtue of their vote the Senate would be changing the constitution. For that you need a two thirds majority.

This would also apply to violations of the emolument's clause. Haven't thought about this long enough to see if it applies elsewhere but it may be the way forward.

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Ok, I just called Adam Shiff and Pelosi. Enough, I just want this idea to be heard by one of them. May be gibberish but you never know.

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This legal scheme won't work. If the Senate votes not guilty, then the House of Representatives appeals to the Supreme Court and it decides Trump is guilty, it will be the Senate, once again, that would vote to remove Trump.

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Or, they can vote to deny him the right to run for reelection. That said, no one has a crystal ball.

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Or, they can vote to deny him the right to run for reelection. That said, no one has a crystal ball.

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Or, they can vote to deny him the right to run for reelection. That said, no one has a crystal ball.

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I am certain that the Senate won't find Trump guilty, no matter what comes out about Trump's stupidity, laziness, or incompetence at doing the job of President in the next year, between Nov 5, 2019 and Nov 3, 2020.

I am certain that the Supreme Court will not take the case to decide if Trump is guilty despite the Senate voting NOT GUILTY. The Supreme Court would stall and waste a lot of time hemming and hawing until after the Nov 3, 2020 election.

What gets interesting is if Trump should lose the election. There is only a 50% chance he will lose. Then something unpredictable might happen. He might immediately give himself a pardon to avoid prosecution for tax evasion, then Trump resigns, then Trump hopes that President Mike Pence also gives him another pardon, just to be extra sure. Trump would probably fly Air Force One to Russia, where he resigns, than asks for political asylum.

If Trump wins, again a 50% chance, The Greatest Show on Earth will continue four more years. The Alternative? The 41 or more GOP Senators spend four years sabotaging a Democratic President. And they can do, too. That won't be The Greatest Show. It will be awful.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Interesting post. OK think back and try and remember all the different legal issues regarding Trumps behavior since announcing his candidacy. I know, it's impossible. These attempts by Trump to skirt the law using the court system are all maturing, and he's losing.

It's possible without much maneuvering by the democrats, Trumps criminal behaviors will consume the airwaves for the unforeseeable future. My hope is that the American people will say enough. If they do what you've posted will not come to fruition. Something else entirely will.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He's not a whistleblower.

He's a partisan hack that was working for prominent Democrats for years.

They've got nothing. This is nothing. Nothing will come of it.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He's not a whistleblower.

He's a partisan hack that was working for prominent Democrats for years.

They've got nothing. This is nothing. Nothing will come of it.

Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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They've got the President's own words and the President did hold back $400 million from Ukraine, until Trump got caught, then the money was immediately released and the President pretended he had never held the money back for even a minute. Trump will keep lying nonstop about the $400 million.

Trump talks to Ukrainian President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT TRUMP DID ON THAT PHONE CALL ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T VOTE FOR TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PERIOD.

If there is an actual vote for an actual impeachment at the end of this, which you know full well yourself will not end in Trump's removal from office, it's the end of the Democrat party as you know it.

I'm more pissed off about the fact that Trump is just another in a long line of men and women in the upper echelon of our Government and the bureaucracy that take our tax dollars and piss them away like this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT TRUMP DID ON THAT PHONE CALL ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T VOTE FOR TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PERIOD.

If there is an actual vote for an actual impeachment at the end of this, which you know full well yourself will not end in Trump's removal from office, it's the end of the Democrat party as you know it.

I'm more pissed off about the fact that Trump is just another in a long line of men and women in the upper echelon of our Government and the bureaucracy that take our tax dollars and piss them away like this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I personally know hundreds of people who have no problem with anything Trump has ever done. They never will have a problem with even his tax cheating. Considering that Mike Pence could do Trump's job better than Trump, it is not rational on their part, but most of their behavior, the stuff completely unrelated to politics, is not rational and not smart, either. That is why they ended up in the bottom 50% of the population. Somebody has got to be less than average, and these people volunteered, or made themselves, or were born to be that lower 50%. Too bad that they have delusions about Trump raising them upward into the top 50%. He ain't gonna do it for a bunch of dumb suckers, even when they vote for him again.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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while putting our countries national security at risk

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while putting our countries national security at risk

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Jeeze THUGGER, how many COUNTRIES are we?

But to address your basic stupidity - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.

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Geez, are you trying to make me laugh myself to death? If so you just about made it.

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- explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.-

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Geez, are you trying to make me laugh myself to death? If so you just about made it.

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So I'll keep asking it, just to make it painfully obvious to everyone - shit, as stupid as you are, maybe even you - that you have to keep dodging it until you eventually have to abandon any pretense of even minimal intelligence.

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What? Maybe you should stop criticizing how others write until you've learned to write a proper comprehensible sentence.

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You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. And I mean IN DETAIL.-

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You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

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Better kiki. Not great but better.

Encouraged a foreign nation to interfere with U.S. elections.

Opened up the President of the United States to blackmail.

Helps Russia, a top adversary and national security threat to the United States.
Stopped substantial military aid the U.S. Congress determined to be in America’s national interest from reaching its intended recipient (restored only after the scandal became public).

Ukraine is a buffer between Putin’s aggressive Russia and four NATO allies the U.S. is sworn to defend if attacked. If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.

Makes other countries less likely to take American promises of military aid seriously. Ukraine is vulnerable, in part, because the U.S. convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for assurance that we would help them defend themselves from Russia.

Weakening a vulnerable nation under attack makes the world less stable and makes it more likely the U.S. will suffer negative reverberations.

If Ukraine’s anti-Russia, anti-corruption leader loses political power because the United States undermined him, his replacement may be more Putin-friendly and expand Putin’s influence against U.S. interests.

Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.

Discourages other potential whistleblowers from reporting problems, making future national security vulnerabilities more likely.

Discourages dedicated American patriots from going into, or remaining in, public service (intelligence, military, law enforcement, politics, civil service, etc.) when the president is undermining their efforts, corrupting systems, cheating in elections, putting personal interests ahead of national interests, etc.

Allowing two straight U.S. elections to be undermined by foreign powers shows the U.S. to be weak and encourages future attacks.

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You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized national security.
So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine. -KIKI

Better kiki. Not great but better.

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If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.

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Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You STILL can't answer the question THUGGER? You know, it's an important question. Everyone says the reason why what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized US national security.

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

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Encouraged a foreign nation to interfere with U.S. elections.

Opened up the President of the United States to blackmail.

Helps Russia, a top adversary and national security threat to the United States.
Stopped substantial military aid the U.S. Congress determined to be in America’s national interest from reaching its intended recipient (restored only after the scandal became public).

Ukraine is a buffer between Putin’s aggressive Russia and four NATO allies the U.S. is sworn to defend if attacked. If Russia takes over Ukraine due to an inability to defend themselves as a result of U.S. military aid not reaching them, the U.S. is more likely to either go to war, or have to invest substantially more in proactive defense. Russian troops just over the border from four more NATO members is dangerous.

Makes other countries less likely to take American promises of military aid seriously. Ukraine is vulnerable, in part, because the U.S. convinced them to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for assurance that we would help them defend themselves from Russia.

Weakening a vulnerable nation under attack makes the world less stable and makes it more likely the U.S. will suffer negative reverberations.

If Ukraine’s anti-Russia, anti-corruption leader loses political power because the United States undermined him, his replacement may be more Putin-friendly and expand Putin’s influence against U.S. interests.

Improperly using the highest national security secrecy systems to hide political secrets and misconduct weakens them.

Discourages other potential whistleblowers from reporting problems, making future national security vulnerabilities more likely.

Discourages dedicated American patriots from going into, or remaining in, public service (intelligence, military, law enforcement, politics, civil service, etc.) when the president is undermining their efforts, corrupting systems, cheating in elections, putting personal interests ahead of national interests, etc.

Allowing two straight U.S. elections to be undermined by foreign powers shows the U.S. to be weak and encourages future attacks.

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I can't help it if you can't answer a simple question, THUGGER - and have to resort to trolling, propaganda, lies, libel, and threats.

It's a really simple question. It's a question you SHOULD be able to answer if you sincerely think US NATIONAL SECURITY is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

Signy and I both have already exposed your propaganda talking points as being false.

So I need to ask the question - AGAIN - because you can't seem to answer it.

Everyone says the reason why what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized US national security. They weren't talking about Belarus's national security, or Moldova's national security. They claimed to be talking about the US's national security.

Yanno, the US is MY country - a country whose interests I take seriously. (I don't know which country has YOUR loyalties, but it's clearly NOT the US. The US is a tool to you. You're hoping WE will sacrifice some part of ourselves for YOUR interests.)

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

IN DETAIL.
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I can't help it if you can't answer a simple question, THUGGER - and have to resort to trolling, propaganda, lies, libel, and threats.

It's a really simple question. It's a question you SHOULD be able to answer if you sincerely think US NATIONAL SECURITY is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

Signy and I both have already exposed your propaganda talking points as being false.

So I need to ask the question - AGAIN - because you can't seem to answer it.

Everyone says the reason why what Trump did with Zelensky was bad was because it jeopardized US national security. They weren't talking about Belarus's national security, or Moldova's national security. They claimed to be talking about the US's national security.

Yanno, the US is MY country - a country whose interests I take seriously. (I don't know which country has YOUR loyalties, but it's clearly NOT the US. The US is a tool to you. You're hoping WE will sacrifice some part of ourselves for YOUR interests.)

So here is my question again, in gold ... just so you don't miss it: - explain to me EXACTLY how US national security is threatened by anything that happens in Ukraine.

IN DETAIL.
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I post what’s being reported on in the news and kiki calls it propaganda. She still doesn’t realize it’s different in America than it is in Russia. Our mainstream media isn't propaganda. And it shouldn't be seen as such. Unless of course you're nuts.


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"It proves our president will sell US “treasure” (javelins) for his personal gain (dirt on a political rival) - duh."

Only in your craziest dreams. Because nothing that Trump (supposedly) said (according to second-hand gossip) actually came true.

Meanwhile, all this flap is claimed to be about Trump jeopardizing US national security.

Since THUGGER can't seem to cough up an answer involving US national security in Ukraine, maybe YOU can.

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It looks as though Veterans across the country are telling Congress that they fought for American democracy and they want Congress to do so now. All that's left to say is tick tock second.

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It looks as though Veterans across the country are telling Congress that they fought for American democracy and they want Congress to do so now. All that's left to say is tick tock second.

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I already know that Senators Ted Cruz and John Cornyn from Texas will vote Trump as Not Guilty of anything ever in his life. But when they do, perhaps a few veterans will remember that the next time Cruz and Cornyn are on the ballot.

“The president of the United States demanding – extorting – a vulnerable country to do his political bidding, to go after his opponent, has nothing to do with Joe Biden executing the foreign policy of the United States.

“What the president did is wrong and impeachable.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachmen
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It looks as though Veterans across the country are going public. They are telling Congress that they fought for American democracy and they want Congress to do so now. All that's left to say is tick tock second.

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"It proves our president will sell US “treasure” (javelins) for his personal gain (dirt on a political rival) - duh."

Only in your craziest dreams. Because nothing that Trump (supposedly) said (according to second-hand gossip) actually came true.

Meanwhile, all this flap is claimed to be about Trump jeopardizing US national security.

Since THUGGER can't seem to cough up an answer involving US national security in Ukraine, maybe YOU can.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"It proves our president will sell US “treasure” (javelins) for his personal gain (dirt on a political rival) - duh."

Only in your craziest dreams. Because nothing that Trump (supposedly) said (according to second-hand gossip) actually came true.

Meanwhile, all this flap is claimed to be about Trump jeopardizing US national security.

Since THUGGER can't seem to cough up an answer involving US national security in Ukraine, maybe YOU can.

A billion flies eat shit.

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lol - stupid or lying or both, as usual, and always a waste of time.

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Really G. And when you read what she wrote it's very apparent she doesn't understand what democracy means, or even what our veterans are talking about.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"It proves our president will sell US “treasure” (javelins) for his personal gain (dirt on a political rival) - duh."

Only in your craziest dreams. Because nothing that Trump (supposedly) said (according to second-hand gossip) actually came true.

Meanwhile, all this flap is claimed to be about Trump jeopardizing US national security.

Since THUGGER can't seem to cough up an answer involving US national security in Ukraine, maybe YOU can.

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lol - stupid or lying or both, as usual, and always a waste of time.

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Really G. And when you read what she wrote it's very apparent she doesn't understand what democracy means, or even what our veterans are talking about.

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