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Saturday, October 19, 2019 8:05 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:09 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's why I hate you Democrats so much for the last 10 years and pushing me to that side. Open your fucking eyes and see that the other side of the Legacy Media arm is programming you dumb fucks the exact same way. They're all in cahoots.Somehow, I don't think I'm being programmed, but rather the bottom 50% are programmed to accept their fate without violence against people like me: Quote:Between 1989 and 2018, the top one percent increased its total net worth by $21 trillion. The bottom 50 percent actually saw its net worth decrease by $900 billion over the same period. I don't have to do a damn thing to protect myself because the GOP protects people like me from people like you by keeping the minimum wage at a minimum and by lowering my taxes. On the other hand, the Democrats don't protect me from higher wages and higher taxes. Maybe I should vote for Trump next time? www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/14/eye-popping-analysis-shows-top-1-gained-21-trillion-wealth-1989-while-bottom-half The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly Oh... that's right. I woke up this morning and forgot entirely that you're rich. Thanks for our daily reminder of how great you are. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's why I hate you Democrats so much for the last 10 years and pushing me to that side. Open your fucking eyes and see that the other side of the Legacy Media arm is programming you dumb fucks the exact same way. They're all in cahoots.Somehow, I don't think I'm being programmed, but rather the bottom 50% are programmed to accept their fate without violence against people like me: Quote:Between 1989 and 2018, the top one percent increased its total net worth by $21 trillion. The bottom 50 percent actually saw its net worth decrease by $900 billion over the same period. I don't have to do a damn thing to protect myself because the GOP protects people like me from people like you by keeping the minimum wage at a minimum and by lowering my taxes. On the other hand, the Democrats don't protect me from higher wages and higher taxes. Maybe I should vote for Trump next time? www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/14/eye-popping-analysis-shows-top-1-gained-21-trillion-wealth-1989-while-bottom-half The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's why I hate you Democrats so much for the last 10 years and pushing me to that side. Open your fucking eyes and see that the other side of the Legacy Media arm is programming you dumb fucks the exact same way. They're all in cahoots.Somehow, I don't think I'm being programmed, but rather the bottom 50% are programmed to accept their fate without violence against people like me: Quote:Between 1989 and 2018, the top one percent increased its total net worth by $21 trillion. The bottom 50 percent actually saw its net worth decrease by $900 billion over the same period. I don't have to do a damn thing to protect myself because the GOP protects people like me from people like you by keeping the minimum wage at a minimum and by lowering my taxes. On the other hand, the Democrats don't protect me from higher wages and higher taxes. Maybe I should vote for Trump next time? www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/14/eye-popping-analysis-shows-top-1-gained-21-trillion-wealth-1989-while-bottom-half The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's why I hate you Democrats so much for the last 10 years and pushing me to that side. Open your fucking eyes and see that the other side of the Legacy Media arm is programming you dumb fucks the exact same way. They're all in cahoots.
Quote:Between 1989 and 2018, the top one percent increased its total net worth by $21 trillion. The bottom 50 percent actually saw its net worth decrease by $900 billion over the same period.
Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Stop Americans From Filing Their Taxes for Free In 2008, TurboTax was a market leader, but only a small portion of Americans filed their taxes online. By 2019, nearly 40% of U.S. taxpayers filed online and some 40 million of them did so with TurboTax, far more than with any other product. But the success of TurboTax rests on a shaky foundation, one that could collapse overnight if the U.S. government did what most wealthy countries did long ago and made tax filing simple and free for most citizens. For more than 20 years, Intuit has waged a sophisticated, sometimes covert war to prevent the government from doing just that, according to internal company and IRS documents and interviews with insiders. The company unleashed a battalion of lobbyists and hired top officials from the agency that regulates it. Internal presentations lay out company tactics for fighting “encroachment,” Intuit’s catchall term for any government initiative to make filing taxes easier — such as creating a free government filing system or pre-filling people’s returns with payroll or other data the IRS already has. “For a decade proposals have sought to create IRS tax software or a ReturnFree Tax System; All were stopped,” reads a confidential 2007 PowerPoint presentation from an Intuit board of directors meeting. The company’s 2014-15 plan included manufacturing “3rd-party grass roots” support. “Buy ads for op-eds/editorials/stories in African American and Latino media,” one internal PowerPoint slide states. The centerpiece of Intuit’s anti-encroachment strategy has been the Free File program, hatched 17 years ago in a moment of crisis for the company. Under the terms of an agreement with the federal government, Intuit and other commercial tax prep companies promised to provide free online filing to tens of millions of lower-income taxpayers. In exchange, the IRS pledged not to create a government-run system. Since Free File’s launch, Intuit has done everything it could to limit the program’s reach while making sure the government stuck to its end of the deal. This year, Intuit was close to realizing a long-held goal: enshrining the Free File program in law, effectively closing the door on the IRS ever creating a free tax filing system. But an outcry followed ProPublica’s reporting on the matter and Intuit’s treatment of its customers, prompting the provision to be dropped and state and federal investigations into Intuit’s practices. Yet even after this setback, the company remained steadfastly confident that its clout in Washington would win the day. Intuit revved its lobbying machine. A group of Republican lawmakers, led by TurboTax’s hometown congressman, wrote to the agency arguing that there was no reason for the government to “compete” with the “well-established” private tax prep companies. Intuit’s lobbyists also went above the OMB and pressed their case directly to the White House, Forman recalled. At the IRS, “all hell broke loose,” remembered Terry Lutes, who was then the head of electronic filing at the agency. Intuit’s clout on the Hill meant that lawmakers were soon accusing the IRS of making “secret plans to undercut the industry,” Lutes said. The agency ran the risk of seeing its funding cut if it were to pursue the Free Tax Filing software plan. Intuit’s success has made the men who run the company rich. Smith, the CEO who stepped down last year and is now executive board chair, had a stake worth $20 million when he became chief executive. It ballooned to $220 million by last year. Co-founder Scott Cook is now among the country’s wealthiest people, his fortune soaring to $3.3 billion. More at www.propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-americans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-free The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, October 19, 2019 1:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: 12 years of public school and they never bother to teach you how to fill out a 1040. I blame that. Filing your own taxes for a majority of Americans is so ridiculously simple that I don't feel bad for anybody who doesn't do it.
Saturday, October 19, 2019 1:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: 12 years of public school and they never bother to teach you how to fill out a 1040. I blame that. Filing your own taxes for a majority of Americans is so ridiculously simple that I don't feel bad for anybody who doesn't do it.It is not school's fault that 90% of Americans are stupid about money.
Saturday, October 19, 2019 2:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: 12 years of public school and they never bother to teach you how to fill out a 1040. I blame that. Filing your own taxes for a majority of Americans is so ridiculously simple that I don't feel bad for anybody who doesn't do it.It is not school's fault that 90% of Americans are stupid about money. Yes. Yes it is. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, October 19, 2019 2:50 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by second: my wife My oldest daughter
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:05 AM
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:51 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:58 AM
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Same as it ever was - no change for Russian hacking in upcoming 2020 election: https://wapo.st/35XSFbF "Facebook takedowns show new Russian activity targeted Biden, praised Trump The company disabled a network of accounts that posed at times as locals in swing states to post on divisive political issues and the upcoming presidential election By Tony Romm and Isaac Stanley-Becker Oct. 21, 2019 at 6:46 p.m. EDT Facebook on Monday said it removed a network of Russian-backed accounts that posed as locals weighing in on political issues in swing states, praising President Trump and attacking former vice president Joe Biden — illustrating that the familiar threat of Russian interference looms over the next U.S. presidential race. Facebook said the network bears the hallmark of the same Kremlin-backed group that interfered in the 2016 election by sowing social discord, seeking to boost Trump and attacking Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. The new disinformation campaign appears to follow the same playbook. This time, a coordinated group of Russian accounts that appears to show some links to the Internet Research Agency largely took to Facebook’s photo-sharing app, Instagram, to post content this year about U.S. politics and memes targeting Democratic presidential contenders. The operation demonstrated a sophisticated understanding of the schisms within the Democratic Party as it labors to choose a nominee to face Trump in 2020. One Russian account, which portrayed itself as a black voter in Michigan, used the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag to hammer Biden for gaffes about racial issues. Some of the accounts boosted one of his rivals on the left, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). The Russian network was the subject of one of four takedowns Facebook announced Monday; it also disabled three misleading campaigns originating in Iran. Researchers said the efforts demonstrated how those seeking to interfere in U.S. politics continue to exploit radioactive topics, including racial and religious fault lines. And they said it offered fresh evidence that foreign actors are pursuing new platforms that rely on a steady stream of images, making detection more difficult despite Facebook’s heightened investments in election security."
Quote:“Why are we talking about Pierre Delecto,” one person asked. “WTH is a Pierre Delecto & why is everyone going crazy about it?” another wanted to know. On Sunday, Twitter users lost their collective minds when they learned that Pierre Delecto wasn’t a bot or a random Romney superfan, but an account run by the Republican senator himself. As Delecto, Romney, who has become one of President Trump’s most vocal GOP critics, used the account to like critical tweets about the president, while also occasionally defending himself against detractors. By early Monday, the unusual pseudonym was a trending moment on Twitter and had been mentioned in more than 47,000 tweets.
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:07 AM
THG
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Yep, to true G. I'm pretty sure these big social media companies are going to be regulated like main stream media. After all, it called social media. It can't happen soon enough for me.
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:40 PM
Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:56 PM
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Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:56 PM
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:40 AM
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 6:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: "You Could Fit All the Voters Who Cost Clinton the Election in a Mid-Size Football Stadium" Shit, you could fit all the people who cost Clinton the election in one chair. She was the one who ran such a lousy campaign it was that close over many, many states. MEANWHILE, we still have the electoral college because GUESS WHAT!! it's written in the Constitution. Get over it ... unless you really like being anti-American. The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.
Quote:Anxious Democratic Establishment Asks, ‘Is There Anybody Else?’ Party leaders who are fatalistic about Democrats’ chances in 2020 are musing about possible late entrants to the race. Sherrod Brown? Michelle Obama?
Quote:If ~2 years and 20+ candidates aren't enough for ya, I don't know what to tell you.
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 7:11 AM
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 7:18 AM
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:53 AM
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: First, as is common knowledge, there may be at least even odds of Democrats winning the White House and keeping the House, but their taking the Senate is a long shot.
Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: First, as is common knowledge, there may be at least even odds of Democrats winning the White House and keeping the House, but their taking the Senate is a long shot. Common knowledge, huh? I guess Moody's didn't get the memo. https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, October 27, 2019 7:44 AM
Monday, October 28, 2019 6:24 AM
Monday, October 28, 2019 10:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: First, as is common knowledge, there may be at least even odds of Democrats winning the White House and keeping the House, but their taking the Senate is a long shot. Common knowledge, huh? I guess Moody's didn't get the memo. https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf Do Right, Be Right. :)To quote Moody: "The model did not account for the individual attributes of the candidates other than whether they belonged to the incumbent political party. In other words, it assumed Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were generic candidates, which they were not. In 2020, President Trump will be as much the nongeneric candidate as he was in 2016, and Democrats may also nominate a candidate who is a break from past party nominees". If Mike Pence and Joe Biden were running for President, rather than Trump and Who-knows-who-the-Democrat, then the Moody model assumption of generic candidates is true. Otherwise, the Moody model does not work. Just flip a coin to see who wins. That would be about as scientific. There may be at least even odds of Democrats winning the White House. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, October 30, 2019 7:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Justify your wishful thinking however you want. But a few things first before you lie to yourself too much. 1. EVERYBODY said that Trump was going to lose and lose big last time. Only two polls ever showed that wasn't the case, and they were largely ignored. 2. Trump was running against a well known Clinton. She's a piece of shit, but (at least back then) everybody still loved Billy. 3. The only people that Trump have pissed off are the people who are still screwed in the head that he won in the first place after being lied to for a year. 4. Trump already has several keys to the white house, as well as the incumbent advantage. There are also easily as many hard core Trump fans out there are people who hate the guy. 5. The loud minority on the Left has become insane and completely out of touch with the rest of the country. Just ask Bill Maher about his frustrations that Democrats on the debate stage keep pandering only to people that were already never going to vote Trump, as well as people who can't even legally vote (felons, illegal aliens, etc.) Outside of socialists, and the rich white woke crowd, their messages don't resonate at all with the people who are going to vote. The Democrat candidates are so bad this time that they're a plus in Trump's favor. Their lack of any legitimate platform for the people are Trump's biggest ally. The only coin flip here is how many people are going to vote, and how many are going to stay on the couch. Which is exactly what Moody's says. Only in the extreme case of record voter turnout do Democrats have a chance at eeking out a victory. Trump wins in all other scenarios, and if voters are demoralized and stay home, he could get 380 electoral votes this time.
Quote:Trump, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Jed Kolko noted immediately after the election, won most counties — and improved on Romney’s performance — where a large share of jobs are vulnerable to outsourcing or automation. And while there is no standard measure of economic anxiety, a wide range of other plausible proxies shows the same pattern. According to my own analysis of voting data, for example, the slower a county’s job growth has been since 2007, the more it shifted toward Trump.1 (The same is true looking back to 2000.) And of course Trump performed especially strongly among voters without a college degree — an important indicator of social status but also of economic prospects, given the shrinking share of jobs (and especially well-paying jobs) available to workers without a bachelor’s degree.
Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:02 AM
Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:15 AM
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Saturday, November 2, 2019 10:07 AM
Saturday, November 2, 2019 10:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And you're going to lie and say that 538 or anybody said it was a cointoss now? I also predicted this would happen. Guess I have to put another win in my column. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, November 3, 2019 6:56 AM
Sunday, November 3, 2019 7:05 AM
Sunday, November 3, 2019 7:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And you're going to lie and say that 538 or anybody said it was a cointoss now? I also predicted this would happen. Guess I have to put another win in my column. Do Right, Be Right. :)The last presidential election featured one of the more accurate sets of early polls for this point in the cycle: Hillary Clinton led Donald Trump 46.2 percent to 41.2 percent in an average of all polls conducted in November and December 2015, missing the eventual national popular vote margin by about 3 points. (The actual result was Clinton 48.0 percent, Trump 46.0 percent.) https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/should-we-take-these-early-general-election-polls-seriously-no/ That was the 538 website in November 2015. How is Trump doing in November 2019? Warren 49.7% to Trump 44% www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html Biden 50.1% to Trump 43.4% www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, November 3, 2019 8:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: So it's impossible to actually know what Trump's true approval rating is.
Sunday, November 3, 2019 11:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: If Trump loses, you are going to feel crushed.
Quote:(Did I mention that I talked to Sen Cornyn and Cruz? What a sneaky pair of dirtbags -- in private. Those two absolutely know how to keep their real principles a secret.)
Monday, November 4, 2019 9:09 AM
Monday, November 4, 2019 2:01 PM
Monday, November 4, 2019 2:41 PM
Monday, November 4, 2019 2:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: New Poll Shows Democratic Presidential Candidates Have Been Living in a Fantasy World In 2018, Democratic candidates waded into hostile territory and flipped 40 House districts by avoiding controversial positions, and focusing obsessively on Republican weaknesses. The Democratic presidential field has largely abandoned that model. Working from the premise that the country largely agrees with them on everything, or that agreeing with the majority of voters on issues is not necessary to win, the campaign has proceeded in blissful unawareness of the extremely high chance that Trump will win again. More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/11/the-2020-election-is-still-wide-open/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, November 4, 2019 3:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Ya don't say, huh? Don't believe it every time I've said it, but Mother Jones tells you that it's true so I guess it's true now. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, November 4, 2019 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Ya don't say, huh? Don't believe it every time I've said it, but Mother Jones tells you that it's true so I guess it's true now. Do Right, Be Right. :)There is a huge difference between Trump having approximately 50/50 chance of winning, which I always believed, and Trump being approximately 100% certain to win, which seems to be the default belief/position of Trump lovers. Why does Trump have a 50/50 chance? Because 50% of voters are stupider than average. If you are salesman, as Trump is, you don't need to persuade everybody since defrauding the dumbest 50% will make you fabulously wealthy.
Tuesday, November 5, 2019 12:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I believe you're paraphrasing PT Barnum Second. There's a sucker born every minute.
Wednesday, November 6, 2019 7:47 AM
Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:04 AM
Thursday, November 7, 2019 9:34 AM
Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:30 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:I will give you another: Only suckers believe Medicare 4 All could possibly become law. Elizabeth Warren announced her Medicare for All plan last week but it doesn’t matter. For starters, to put the plan in place she’d need to win the presidency and the Senate, and that’s a tough task. Then we’d need to eliminate the filibuster, which is very, very unlikely since a few Democrats have already said they wouldn’t join in. But suppose we miraculously do all that. Actual legislation depends mostly on the Senate, not on President Warren or Speaker Pelosi. This means that health care legislation can’t be more progressive than the 50th most liberal senator, which is likely to be someone like Joe Manchin of W Virginia or Doug Jones of Alabama. So even in the best case we won’t get the M4A plan that Warren is campaigning on. Not even close. What this means is that these M4A plans shouldn’t be treated like real legislation to be scored by the Congressional Budget Office. Rather, they should be treated like Republican tax cut proposals. Nobody bothers to analyze them (except for liberal think tanks, natch) because no one takes them seriously. They are meant merely as markers to show where your heart is. A weak plan shows that you’re a RINO. A big tax cut shows you’re a strong conservative. And a ridiculous plan shows that you’re a lunatic—which might or might not be a good thing depending on the mood of the electorate. So forget the details. Warren and Sanders are deliberately selling themselves as lunatics. Their plans mean nothing except that they are true blue liberals. Don’t try to read any more than that into them. Biden and Buttigieg and Booker are demonstrating that they’re part of the mainstream Obama wing of the party. And Amy Klobuchar is demonstrating her DINO credentials as a member of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, Minnesota's loose affiliate of the Democratic Party.
Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Donald Trump lost Kentucky for the Republicans – the 2020 presidential election is now the Democrats' to lose If past experience is anything to go by, Donald Trump will shortly be tweeting from the comfort of his bathroom to the effect that the soon-to-be-former Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky is a stone cold loser that Trump has never actually met – and who, even if he had met him, would not have been impressed. This, of course, despite the fact that Trump himself turned up in Kentucky on the eve of a rally for his Republican colleague and declared to the audience that seeing Bevin lose to the Democrats “sends a really bad message”, pleading with his supporters, “you can’t let that happen to me!” Well, they did. www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-kentucky-virginia-democrats-win-republicans-2020-a9187161.html
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