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President Trump: good, bad, and ugly

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Thursday, September 19, 2019 6:31 PM

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Trump went out a few weeks ago and declared himself the world’s best environmentalist. You’d have to ask yourself, why would somebody say something that was so ludicrous and obviously detached from reality? The reason is that he and his team recognized is they’re hemorrhaging votes like crazy all across America, and this is his weakest point.

About 70% of the people don’t trust him on environmental issues. This is the largest percentage of Americans who know that he’s a fraud. And so, I believe you should always attack Republicans at their weakest point. This is clearly their weakest point.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/jay-inslee-climate-change

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Friday, September 20, 2019 5:03 AM

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He made his legal and political career in a milieu where money and power override rules and law — indeed where the ability to get, and get away with, what lesser citizens cannot, is what proves membership of an elite. Cohn brought an aura perfectly calculated to attract rich men who are not quite respectable.

Trump found him irresistible.

“Trump,” the late Wayne Barrett wrote in 1979, “is a user of other users” — a keen, foundational insight, true then and true now. And with the exception of his father, whose fortune made possible the life he’s lived, Trump used Cohn more than he used anybody.

From 1973, when Cohn started representing the Trumps after the Department of Justice sued them for racist rental practices at the thousands of apartments they owned, through the rest of the ’70s and into the ’80s, when he served as an indispensable macher for Trump’s career-launching maneuvers, Cohn became for Trump something much more than simply his attorney. At a most formative moment for Trump, there was no more formative figure than Cohn.

The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn, the unrepentant political hitman who taught Trump how to flout the rules, but Cohn didn’t get away with it forever.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-docum
entary-228144


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Friday, September 20, 2019 5:32 AM

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Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, denies asking Ukraine to investigate Biden -- before admitting it. What did Trump promise the President of Ukraine? The smart money now thinks that the whole whistleblower complaint centers on Ukraine. Namely that Trump promised the new president of Ukraine $250 million in armaments if he’d reopen a criminal investigation involving Joe Biden and his son. Trump just doesn’t know when to quit.
www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-ukraine-cnntv/
index.html

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/what-did-donald-trump-promise-t
he-president-of-ukraine
/


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Friday, September 20, 2019 5:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 20, 2019 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What is funny is that Trump is exactly like Roy Cohn, who didn’t pay his bills, all but daring his creditors to sue him for what he owed — tailors, locksmiths, mechanics, travel agencies, storage companies, credit card companies, stationery stores, office supply stores. He didn’t pay people back, “friend or foe,” wrote Cohn's biographer, Nicholas von Hoffman, who reported that a captain of his yacht called Defiance “had a mental map” of “ports we couldn’t go into because we owed thousands of dollars.”

He didn’t pay his taxes, either, racking up millions of dollars in liens. Taxes, he believed, went to “welfare recipients” and “political hacks” and “bloated bureaucrats” and “countries whose people hate our guts.”

The less discussed but arguably much more trenchant lessons of Cohn’s life are not his decades of dark-arts untouchability but his brutal comeuppance. Cohn did not, in the end, elude the consequences of his actions. He could not, it turned out, get away with everything forever. He was a braggart of a tax cheat, and the Internal Revenue Service closed in; he was an incorrigibly unethical attorney, and he finally was disbarred; and only six weeks after that professional disgrace, six months shy of 60 years old, Cohn was dead of AIDS.

Now, less than 14 months out from next year’s election, with Trump facing historic legal and political peril, it’s getting harder and harder not to wonder what he might or might not have gleaned from watching Cohn’s wretched unraveling.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-docum
entary-228144


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Friday, September 20, 2019 7:46 AM

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The very dark truth about Donald Trump revealed in his Cokie Roberts comments.

Asked about the passing of legendary journalist Cokie Roberts on Tuesday, here's what Trump said (in part):

"I never met her. She never treated me nicely."

The first words out of his mouth when asked about someone's death was a) never met her and b) "she never treated me nicely." Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me.

That Trump's first instinct would be to make it about himself and then use it as a piece of ammo in his long-running fight with the news media is, even for this president, a remarkable thing. That rejection of moral leadership -- of taking the high road, of understanding that you don't need to say everything you think -- is what makes Trump truly radical vis a vis the other men who have held the office of president.

Someone who is incapable of expressing empathy -- or even of not saying something bad! -- about a dead person is someone who is so self-focused as to be largely (if not totally) blind to the world around him. That's a problem for any person.

Whether Trump wins or loses next November, his lack of empathy and presidency devoid of moral leadership will have fundamentally altered the way in which the presidency is conceived in at least some circles in the country. And not in a good way.

www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/politics/donald-trump-cokie-roberts/index.html

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Friday, September 20, 2019 10:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What is funny...



You're always telling me what is funny.

THAT is what is funny. You seem like one of the most clueless people in the world when it comes to humor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 20, 2019 10:51 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What is funny is that Trump is exactly like Roy Cohn, who didn’t pay his bills, all but daring his creditors to sue him for what he owed — tailors, locksmiths, mechanics, travel agencies, storage companies, credit card companies, stationery stores, office supply stores. He didn’t pay people back, “friend or foe,” wrote Cohn's biographer, Nicholas von Hoffman, who reported that a captain of his yacht called Defiance “had a mental map” of “ports we couldn’t go into because we owed thousands of dollars.”

He didn’t pay his taxes, either, racking up millions of dollars in liens. Taxes, he believed, went to “welfare recipients” and “political hacks” and “bloated bureaucrats” and “countries whose people hate our guts.”

The less discussed but arguably much more trenchant lessons of Cohn’s life are not his decades of dark-arts untouchability but his brutal comeuppance. Cohn did not, in the end, elude the consequences of his actions. He could not, it turned out, get away with everything forever. He was a braggart of a tax cheat, and the Internal Revenue Service closed in; he was an incorrigibly unethical attorney, and he finally was disbarred; and only six weeks after that professional disgrace, six months shy of 60 years old, Cohn was dead of AIDS.

Now, less than 14 months out from next year’s election, with Trump facing historic legal and political peril, it’s getting harder and harder not to wonder what he might or might not have gleaned from watching Cohn’s wretched unraveling.




Amazing similarities. He learned from the "best." Reminds me of Madoff or Epstein - total scum. Which... most of us have known for some time.

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Friday, September 20, 2019 11:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What is funny...



You're always telling me what is funny.

THAT is what is funny. You seem like one of the most clueless people in the world when it comes to humor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not funny as in "Ha! Ha!" but the other funny as in the sense of "This smells funny" when food goes bad. I think Trump is spoiled and has gone rotten -- he is stinking up the White House.

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Friday, September 20, 2019 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Amazing similarities. He learned from the "best." Reminds me of Madoff or Epstein - total scum. Which... most of us have known for some time.

I would not be surprised if Trump had HIV, same as Roy Cohn. Modern medicine could be keeping Trump from going all the way to AIDS and early death like Cohn, but Trump sure had extensive experience with prostitutes. The way Trump acts, syphilis might have been chewing on his brain. I asked google: "What do you know about Trump's sex life?" Whatever perversions exist, Trump has been there and done that, then bragged on Howard Stern's radio show. Maybe he has the STDs to prove it is not just bragging?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegatio
ns


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Friday, September 20, 2019 11:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Amazing similarities. He learned from the "best." Reminds me of Madoff or Epstein - total scum. Which... most of us have known for some time.

I would not be surprised if Trump had HIV, same as Roy Cohn. Modern medicine could be keeping Trump from going all the way to AIDS and early death like Cohn, but Trump sure had extensive experience with prostitutes. The way Trump acts, syphilis might have been chewing on his brain. I asked google: "What do you know about Trump's sex life?" Whatever perversions exist, Trump has been there and done that. Maybe he has the STDs to prove it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegatio
ns


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"If True", Trump might not make it until 2024.

lol...

Like trained little doggies.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 20, 2019 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

"If True", Trump might not make it until 2024.

lol...

Like trained little doggies.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump has been bragging about his sex life for decades. If he caught HIV, the antiretroviral therapy will keep him alive. But the side effects can make him emotionally unbalanced. Does he seem steady to you? He seems unhinged in my opinion, like he doesn't give a damn about doing his job. Every single day has to be a party for Trump because tomorrow he may die and he certainly never believed he will be judged by God in an Afterlife he does not believe in. Jimmy Carter, who is a Believer, Says Another 4 Years of a Donald Trump Presidency Would Be a 'Disaster'. I could believe it.
https://people.com/politics/jimmy-carter-four-years-donald-trump-presi
dency-would-be-disaster
/
https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/understanding-hiv-aids/fact-sheets/21/51/hiv-
treatment--the-basics


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Friday, September 20, 2019 11:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah. I got your drift the first time you posted it.

I'm just laughing at the "If True" stuff. You guys are starting to sound like the MSM when you post that shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 20, 2019 1:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm putting this here for fact-checking later on.



NYTimes today

Whistle-Blower Complaint Said to Relate to Trump and Ukraine
While the allegation remains shrouded in mystery, it involves at least one instance of President Trump making an unspecified commitment to a foreign leader.



WaPo today

Whistleblower complaint about Trump involves Ukraine, say people familiar with the matter
Two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed, President Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
By Ellen Nakashima, Shane Harris, Greg Miller and Carol D. Leonnig

Trump declines to say whether he discussed Joe Biden in call with Ukrainian president

Analysis: Rudy Giuliani’s remarkable Ukraine interview, annotated

The Fix / Analysis
Why Ukraine as the focus of the complaint is particularly ominous
By Aaron Blake
On the list of potential quid pro quos that would have been problematic for President Trump, one with Ukraine was among the worst.

Opinions
As whistleblower scandal deepens, Trump bets on the coverup working
By Greg Sargent

What might finally ensnare Trump
By Jennifer Rubin

Analysis
Trump has been openly trying to leverage Ukraine to his political benefit for months

Trump declines to say whether he discussed Joe Biden in call with Ukrainian president

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Friday, September 20, 2019 2:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Trump's record on the environment ... I'd say bad, but provisionally call it inconsequential for now.

I believe, but would have to confirm, that most of his actions were / are done by executive order, and by re-writing regulations. Executive orders and regulations, as we've seen, are easily reversed by the next president.

To be durable, any domestic presidential action must be passed by Congress into law. That hasn't happened.

What democrats, who want better environmental policies, need to do is get an appropriate president elected, WHO WILL USE THE POWER OF THE BULLY PULPIT TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC. Unlike, say Obama, who quietly signed the Paris Accord but didn't stump to get it passed in Congress. That's why Obama's actions had no durability, which makes them also inconsequential.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Friday, September 20, 2019 4:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah. I got your drift the first time you posted it.

I'm just laughing at the "If True" stuff. You guys are starting to sound like the MSM when you post that shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

My real drift is that Trump's tax returns and his blood test results and his sexual escapades and his business "ethics" and anything else are all top secret. He will take everything to Court, denying everything. He is no more open and truthful than his good and dead buddy, Roy Cohn, the infamous lawyer whose reputation went as low as one can go, but only after he was dead and could not sue from hell.

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Friday, September 20, 2019 4:26 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

What democrats, who want better environmental policies, need to do is get an appropriate president elected, WHO WILL USE THE POWER OF THE BULLY PULPIT TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC.

The only power that exists is 40 or fewer GOP Senators. With 41 Senators, the GOP can stop anything.

Personally, I will never forget that in 2009, when America was careening towards another Great Depression — losing about 800,000 jobs per month — it was Mitch McConnell and his Republican colleagues who launched their strategy of total obstruction, rallying their troops to oppose anything Democrats attempted to do to address the situation. At the point that Americans needed them the most, they were more interested in making Obama a one-term president than doing their job. That’s why it doesn’t surprise me to see the same party put political power over country in their defense of Donald Trump.

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Friday, September 20, 2019 8:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm putting this here for fact-checking later on.



NYTimes today

Whistle-Blower Complaint Said to Relate to Trump and Ukraine
While the allegation remains shrouded in mystery, it involves at least one instance of President Trump making an unspecified commitment to a foreign leader.



WaPo today

Whistleblower complaint about Trump involves Ukraine, say people familiar with the matter
Two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed, President Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
By Ellen Nakashima, Shane Harris, Greg Miller and Carol D. Leonnig

Trump declines to say whether he discussed Joe Biden in call with Ukrainian president

Analysis: Rudy Giuliani’s remarkable Ukraine interview, annotated

The Fix / Analysis
Why Ukraine as the focus of the complaint is particularly ominous
By Aaron Blake
On the list of potential quid pro quos that would have been problematic for President Trump, one with Ukraine was among the worst.

Opinions
As whistleblower scandal deepens, Trump bets on the coverup working
By Greg Sargent

What might finally ensnare Trump
By Jennifer Rubin

Analysis
Trump has been openly trying to leverage Ukraine to his political benefit for months

Trump declines to say whether he discussed Joe Biden in call with Ukrainian president




Why is some random anon dude throwing out allegations being called a "whistleblower" while Julian Assange has had decades of releasing bad shit that both parties have done that is demonstrably true but he gets called a Russian and a hacker.

Note I didn't put a question mark there, because that wasn't a question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 20, 2019 8:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"The only power that exists is 40 or fewer GOP Senators. With 41 Senators, the GOP can stop anything."

And HOW does one get from the 47 GOP senators there are now, to 40 or fewer?

NOT BY DOING MORE OF THE SAME, SLOPPY. Not by whining about Trump. Not by trying to impeach him. Not by being quiet and hiding (like the senate democrats). Not by playing political back-room games (like the house democrats).

You do it by showing the people what's important, why it's important, and what can be done about it. You bring people on board.

And people will bring the senate on board.

It's about changing the dynamic.





The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"The only power that exists is 40 or fewer GOP Senators. With 41 Senators, the GOP can stop anything."

And HOW does one get from the 47 GOP senators there are now, to 40 or fewer?

NOT BY DOING MORE OF THE SAME, SLOPPY. Not by whining about Trump. Not by trying to impeach him. Not by being quiet and hiding (like the senate democrats). Not by playing political back-room games (like the house democrats).

You do it by showing the people what's important, why it's important, and what can be done about it. You bring people on board.

And people will bring the senate on board.

It's about changing the dynamic.

The Democrats can't fix what is wrong inside the heads of millions of Trump voters, no more than, say, Abolitionists could talk millions of Southern voters out of keeping slaves. Billions of words were spoken by Abolitionists and entire states were run without slaves, but the Confederates could not see that they needed to change how they lived and voted. The Confederates kept sending pro-slavery Senators to DC. The Confederates did not voluntarily get on board with progress. Republicans won't, either, especially those who are Trump-lovers.

Nice long article detailing how grossly incompetent and erratic Trump is:
"An Abrupt Move That Stunned Aides: Inside Trump’s Aborted Attack on Iran"
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/an-abrupt-move-that-stunned-aides-inside-
trumps-aborted-attack-on-iran/ar-AAHDJQm


No words will change Trump-lovers' opinion of their Trump, but he is in a box of his own making. He has put in place policies — ‘maximum pressure’ on Iran — guaranteed to provoke an aggressive Iranian response, but he’s not prepared to respond aggressively in turn, and the Iranians know it. So now he has to either back down or go down that slippery military slope, a terrible dilemma he should have considered before he went down this road in the first place.

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Sunday, September 22, 2019 10:32 AM

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"It’s time the world ghosts Trump and gets down to real work"

An article out of India about how Trump's mouth has made the World less safe.

https://qz.com/1712963/

Why is the world economic system so reliant on one person, who effectively drowns out the voices of other presidents, prime ministers, and policy leaders?

By extension, why is the world so reliant on one country as an example of a rational, just, and economically-sound voice?

As outrageous as Trump’s rants and tantrums are, he merely reflects a mindset of American exceptionalism that has plagued the world for years and years.

There are examples in the article of Trump saying the most unwise things. The World knows what a nut Trump is, even if Republican voters aren't capable.

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Sunday, September 22, 2019 10:58 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
"It’s time the world ghosts Trump and gets down to real work"

An article out of India about how Trump's mouth has made the World less safe.

https://qz.com/1712963/

Why is the world economic system so reliant on one person, who effectively drowns out the voices of other presidents, prime ministers, and policy leaders?

By extension, why is the world so reliant on one country as an example of a rational, just, and economically-sound voice?

As outrageous as Trump’s rants and tantrums are, he merely reflects a mindset of American exceptionalism that has plagued the world for years and years.

There are examples in the article of Trump saying the most unwise things. The World knows what a nut Trump is, even if Republican voters aren't capable.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Nah. You're just a hater that is showing other people being haters.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, as election is closing in, I'm going to revive this thread and take an accounting of what Trump has managed to do, and not do.

And no, tweets don't count.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:11 PM

REAVERFAN


3 Months Of Hell: U.S. Economy Drops 32.9% In Worst GDP Report Ever
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/30/89671
4437/3-months-of-hell-u-s-economys-worst-quarter-ever?origin=NOTIFY


He's made America broke again. To see more about what a piece of shit he is, scroll up.

Worst economic crisis ever, and it's all on him.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:26 PM

REAVERFAN


U.S. Household Eviction Crisis: 43% of American Renters Now Face Risk of Eviction
https://www.globalresearch.ca/43-america-renters-now-face-eviction/571
9732


Making America Homeless. Thanks, Trump!


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Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, as election is closing in, I'm going to revive this thread and take an accounting of what Trump has managed to do, and not do.

And no, tweets don't count.

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I think it'll be an interesting tally, but I'm not sure people will vote that way.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:36 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump has always been inept, self-absorbed and dishonest — now he’s also an accessory to mass murder
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-has-always-been-inept-self-abso
rbed-and-dishonest-now-hes-also-an-accessory-to-mass
/

Donald Trump has willfully botched our national response to this pandemic. We have lost over 150,000 American lives over the past five months and all Trump can say is, “We are in the process of developing a strategy.” Another lie. Trump’s plan has been in plain view from the very beginning: to deny, to scapegoat, to gaslight, and to kill.

Trump decided early on that losing American lives to COVID-19 was palatable and even preferable to acknowledging the devastating and deadly force of this pandemic. He did not want his re-election chances to be hurt by an economic downturn due to the virus. So, in January and February Trump did not heed at least 12 warnings from governmental agencies about the impending pandemic. His public statements to us were dismissive mistruths: “We have it totally under control,” “It’s going to be just fine,” and “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus…this is their new hoax.” Trump was warned about the worldwide pandemic, but he responded reflexively by focusing on his own political calculations, not the country’s welfare.

Is there anything he HASN'T royally fucked up?

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:20 PM

REAVERFAN


Our democracy is almost completely destroyed.


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Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, as election is closing in, I'm going to revive this thread and take an accounting of what Trump has managed to do, and not do.

And no, tweets don't count.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI: I think it'll be an interesting tally, but I'm not sure people will vote that way.
Let me just reconsider the question, because there may be a few questions rolled into it to answer.

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID

There's some soto voce assumptions that link a good economy with political success, and a bad economy with political failure.
So while I can't think of too many politicians with a good economy under their belt who lost, since most people don't want to rock the boat under those circumstances (humans being especially loss-avoidant) ...
... I can think of politicians with a bad economy under their belt who won. It all depends on if you can shift the blame elsewhere ... by creating a sense of tribalism ... and blaming the 'other'. (NOTE: you don't have to BE in the same tribe as the voters, you just need to project that you are.)

TRIBALISM FORGIVES ALL

Once you've created a sense of tribalism, not only will you be forgiven for a bad economy (and blame will be shifted to the 'other'), you'll be forgiven for pretty much everything that would normally have violated the ethical standards of individuals.

TRIBALISM IS A POWERFUL FORCE

And that's what this election, I believe, will be run on from the Trump side. So you need to ask yourself, who creates the stronger sense of 'tribe' - Trump, or Biden?

THAT SAID, THERE ARE OBJECTIVE FACTORS AT WORK THAT WILL DRIVE PEOPLE'S EVERYDAY LIVES, IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION

And that's where your question comes in Signy. But it requires some thought and a trip down memory lane to analyze what has transpired irl.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:56 PM

REAVERFAN


The largest U.S. GDP quarterly drop ever just happened and the President is floating delaying the election; I wonder what Fox News' front page story is today?

Oh, more Soros conspiracy crap.


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Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:04 PM

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
3 Months Of Hell: U.S. Economy Drops 32.9% In Worst GDP Report Ever
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/30/89671
4437/3-months-of-hell-u-s-economys-worst-quarter-ever?origin=NOTIFY


He's made America broke again. To see more about what a piece of shit he is, scroll up.

Worst economic crisis ever, and it's all on him.




lol

No.

That was Democrats and the legacy media destroying the American economy over manufactured fear and panic of a virus that hardly kills anybody who gets it.

You're complicit in that as well. You have more responsibility for the economic failures than Trump does.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:33 PM

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Government watchdog finds 'strong indicators of widespread fraud' in small business loan program
https://www.businessinsider.com/widespread-fraud-likely-in-ppp-bailout
-program-payments-sba-watchdog-2020-7?utm_source=reddit.com


I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:33 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


lol

No.

That was Democrats and the legacy media destroying the American economy over manufactured fear and panic of a virus that hardly kills anybody who gets it.

You're complicit in that as well. You have more responsibility for the economic failures than Trump does.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Nope. This is Trump's baby. He owns it.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think it's actually Xi's baby.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:06 PM

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Things are sooooo much better than 4 years ago...

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Into everybody's life ...

.................... ... a little poop must dump. And it's nobody's baby. And once it happens, nobody can come out smelling like roses either.


But Trump did a worse job than most.

Merkel locked down Germany and brought per capita deaths down from 2.99 to 0.06; reopened cautiously, and is still keeping per capita deaths down at 0.06. And lost 10% of Germany's GDP.

Meanwhile Trump did neither - or maybe you could called it a half-assed job at both - and per capita deaths spiked to 6.79, dropped to 0.99, and are back up at 3.21. And lost 33% of the US's GDP.

Lives or economy was always a false dilemma. You can't have a stable economy where chunks of people are choking your medical system.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I find it hilarious that some cling to the belief that THIS is the thing that's going to end their TDS nightmare after 3 3/4 years of flinging shit at the walls to see what sticks.

Good luck.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, July 31, 2020 6:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Out of all of the responses here - including SECOND's and REAVERBOTS' incessantshit-flining- I like mine the best
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, let's see! A lot has happened in the past three years, by now enough to get a bead on Trump's performance as President! It will take me a while to go back over the record and process what has happened, but here's my top-of-the-head reaction

Trump has actually been relatively successful at getting traction on illegal immigration issues. The wall is getting built, without help from Congress. Visitors from wartorn jihadist-filled nations are blocked. Policy is changing on asylum, which economic migrants have been abusing for decades. Most successfully, Trump or one of his appointees did some out-of-the-box thinking and put pressure on Mexico to stem the surge of Central American migrants passing thru Mexico instead of just funneling them to the border, which has reduced pressure at the border by something like 50% from its peak. I think when Trump puts his mind to it, he knows how to accomplish.


Trump does seem to have a penchant for breaking up old agreements and old arrangements that he didn't have a hand in negotiating.

Sometimes that's a good thing, like with TTP and TTIP

Sometimes it's a neutral thing, like with the Paris Climate Accord (which was a feckless attempt at window-dressing a serious problem).

Sometimes that's a bad thing, like with the JCPOA and the INF.

Sometimes that's a nascent thing yet to occur like with NATO, the EU, N Korea, Israel, the Mideast, and Russia.

Sometimes that's a thing with many moving parts, like our trade relationship with China, which needed a serious reset but has both good and bad effects, yet to be determined.

In any case, Trump is a disruptor, or ... as I called him BEFORE the election ... a loose cannon. Now, I happen to believe that many of our former alliances, agreements and arrangements needed serious disruption, so shaking things loose is a necessary step towards improvement. OTOH, Trump has not been able to reach good conclusions for these disruptions. Part of this may be his combative approach of applying "maximum pressure" and sending out mixed signals before "the big ask"; part of this may be internal contradictions in his own set of goals (make nice with Russia, make war on Iran which I pointed out even before he was elected couldn't both be accomplished); and part of this may be resulting from neocon/deep state interference.

I think this requires a serious picking-apart. I suspect quite a bit of this chaos is due to deep state interference, given the CIA's feeding bad info to Trump via Gina Haspel (Syria, Skripal) and people like Bolton constantly monkey-wrenching Trump's foreign policy (N Korea, Venezuela, Iran, Syria, etc) It didn't help that Trump was being pressured by an internationally-coordinated covert operation and psyop against the American people.

But at this point it may not matter whether this is Trump's innate combative and disruptive approach to negotiations or lack of clarity of objectives or whether this is the deep state constantly throwing Trump's initiatives off track, because at SOME point the various negotiators across the table are going to throw in the towel and say that the Trump administration is (as the Russians say) "not agreement-capable" and I believe that point has been reached. And even if Trump manages to fire some of the sabateurs in his administration and rein in the rest, it's too late to pull the foreign policy bacon out of the fire.

Wittingly or not, thanks to sanctions and threats, what Trump has managed to do is consolidate Russia, China, Iran, and (sometimes) India, plus most of the 'stans into a trading and security bloc which will not be using either SWIFT or the dollar. For example, India just announced a deal to invest in Russia's northeast energy sources (I'll try to get the value, but it's in the realm of "billion"), while China just announced a $400 billion dollar deal to invest in Iran over 5 years, with Russian partners. (For comparison, Iran's GDP is about $400 billion, the same as the investment amount.) All of this investment will be in "soft" currencies ... ie not the dollar.

He is also consolidating the EU to some extent, since both France and Germany realize that the USA isn't going to automatically swoop in and save their hide in a conflict with Russia.

I personally think that this decentralization is a good thing; if you've read my posts about "robustness" you'll understand why but not going to re-explain it here. And this may in fact be Trump's overall goal: to reach a state whereby other nations disengage from the USA, instead of fighting his way to "our" disengagement" from "them". If that's the case, then he's one wily guy, because that effect will persist even when Trump is out of office.

*****

In any case there is much to discuss about Trump's effects on our trade balance, the value of the dollar, our economy, Federal budget, overall level of indebtedness, military preparedness, health care, media monopolization and "fake news" and so forth, I'm looking forward to a good discussion about the good, bad, and ugly of Trump's tenure so far. But please leave the trolling and delusions at the door.



Trump is so much againts Nord Stream2 he's willing to "punish" Germany by withdrawing troops. Whatever the reason for troop withdrawal, I think it's a good thing.

Another recent event is, of course, SARS-Cov2. Like much of his history, we can characterize Trump for what he DIDN'T do on this. And unfortunately for his base, he's leading some of them over a cliff, healthwise, with his inconsistent contradictory approach.

AFA sending the Federales into riots ... good for him! I hope he keeps it up.

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Friday, July 31, 2020 6:17 AM

THG


T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.


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Friday, July 31, 2020 1:40 PM

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Friday, July 31, 2020 3:15 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So. to summarize what I think so far:

Trump (as I have posted many times before) is a loose cannon. His MO is taking things apart. That is a GOOD thing for many aspects of the established order, particularly taking apart the parasitic relationship that the USA has with China and NATO.

TRUMP AND TRADE
On the positive side he withdrew from the TTIP and the TTP, and these have not been replaced with other "free trade" agreements.

He renegotiated NAFTA into USMCA. There is ONE provision in USMCA which might make a difference to Mexican labor:
Quote:

Mexico promised to finish carrying through on its new labor laws, as required under the new trade deal. The labor reforms give Mexican workers the right to vote in independent unions and cast secret votes. The Trump administration, Democrats and labor unions are expected to pay close attention to whether Mexico meets those commitments.
the success of USMCA depends heavily on what Manuel Obrador can do in Mexico. USMCA also attempts to require auto manufacturers to make more parts in the USA, but these have 3 to 7-year implementation schedules so effect is not visible yet.

The elephant in the room is China: no special trade deal has been reached with China, and it is unlikely that one will be. Trade will continue under WTO rules, but Trump is doing his best to piss China off and it's working, so expect a continued "decoupling".

IMHO THIS IS A GOOD THING. Also, it is unlikely to be reversed by the next President. China has been parasitizing the USA middle class for decades.

Trump has levied more sanctions against more businesses and nations than any previous President. I can't find a complete list, but he has sanctioned Russia AND GERMANY over NordStream2, Russia over supposed elections violations, Chinese businesses bc of Hong Kong, Venezuela, Iran; France, Germany and Canada (aluminum) ... really, I can't track them all.

This has made America an unreliable trade partner, and downgraded the USA dollar (USD) as the universal trade currency. Also, IMHO, a good thing, since I believe America should MAKE WHAT IT CAN AND TRADE FOR WHAT IT MUST. It has also thrown Iran, China, and Russia into eachother's arms ... not a good thing.

Altho it is Trump's goal to reduce our trade deficit, just like illegal immigration, the TRADE DEFICIT first rose, then fell under Trump. This is partly due to his inability to get lenders to invest in production in the USA, as opposed to speculation. Trump - or any USA President- simply doesn't have the authority to require investment in steel, aluminum, textiles, chemicals, tech etc.


IMMIGRATION
He's also done some "out of the box" thinking and gotten Mexico to control the flow of migrants to the USA, and restored some sanity - and honesty - to the use of "asylum" as an entry into the USA. He also restored sanity on the use of illegal migrants in counting for representation.

Quote:

The past year [2019] has arguably been the Trump administration's most successful one in its quest to restrict asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, overhaul the nation's legal immigration system, crack down on undocumented immigrants, alter America's status as a safe haven for refugees and challenge decades of bipartisan consensus that robust immigration is key to America's economic and social prosperity.

...In March, President Trump moved to end foreign aid to El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, faulting their governments for not doing enough to stop their citizens from fleeing. The next month, Mr. Trump announced a "tougher" direction at the border that fueled the ouster of top officials at the Department of Homeland of Security, including its chief, Kirstjen Nielsen.

In May, U.S. border officials apprehended more than 133,000 migrants, a 13-year monthly high. Border officials warned of a "breaking point" and "full-blown emergency."
Immigration. But in the months since, border apprehensions have plummeted, reaching about 33,000 in November. Along with more aggressive immigration enforcement by the Mexican government, the administration has attributed the sharp drop to a series of restrictive and controversial policies it implemented this year.
The most effective policy, from the administration's point of view, has been the so-called "Remain in Mexico" program, through which the U.S. has returned about 56,000 asylum-seekers to Mexico to wait for the duration of their U.S. immigration proceedings.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-2019-the-year-trump-restricte
d-legal-immigration-and-effectively-shut-off-asylum-at-the-border
/

The M$M puts the most negative spin on this, but IMHO this is a GOOD thing. It puts the interests of Americans and American workers above the interests of agribusiness, contruction and sweatshops and the interests of non-citizens.

I call this a "win" for Trump, and for America.

OVERSEAS MILITARY
Well, the big plus is that Trump hasn't started any new wars. For an American President, that's amazing!

However, for whatever reason he hasn't been able to either fully remove troops from the ME (a giant boondoggle if you ask me) or stop the neocons and warhawks from their incessant meddling in other nations. So we have not seen a budgetary "peace benefit".

FINANCES
Trump and the "everything bubble". I'm not sure whether to lay this at the feet of The Fed, or Trump, or both. The Fed has been hemorrhaging money into speculation at a rate faster than any previous time except 2008, causing an irrational rise in stocks, bonds, homes, AND especially tech stocks, and supporting banks. Technically The Fed is independent of the President, but Trump has publicly owned the stock market rally so he would also own the crash.

COVID
Oh, my. EVERY nation has seen a wobble in their economies because of COVID, but the USA's has wobbled the worst.
It's been CITIES AND STATES that have ordered lockdowns, not Trump. OTOH his administration has not been able to provide consistent messaging on a "STEP 2", which is what you're supposed to do AFTER the lockdown, has not helped the states emerge from lockdown. Since SARS-Cov2 had been noodling around in the population for quite awhile before action was taken, I suppose a lockdown would have to be instituted as a circuit-breaker, but it should have been done in tandem with universal masking. And once the infection rate was reduced to something manageable the states should have been ready with a robust test and contact tracing program. Unfortunately, on advice of the CDC Trump bobbled the masking message and the DCDC bobbled the testing rollout for a month, if not more.
And you can't just open up and cross your fingers.

POLITICS
Trump had laid bare the presence of the deep state: un-elected officials in government, particularly in the spook agencies and State Dept, and their collaborators in foreign intelligence (MI6 particularly) and the M$M. Despite being the target of a wide-ranging and nefarious campaign to spy on him and his staff and smear them with false charges and "anonymous" leaks, he has withstood RUSSIA!RUSSIA!, Ukraingate, and a host of other smears which would have felled a lesser person. He is to be congratulated.



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Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:03 PM

REAVERFAN


TRUMP’S PICK TO MANAGE PUBLIC LANDS HAS FOUR-DECADE HISTORY OF “OVERT RACISM” TOWARD NATIVE PEOPLE
William Perry Pendley pushed rhetoric, legal arguments, and policies that sought to deprive Indigenous people of their rights.
https://theintercept.com/2020/08/01/william-perry-pendley-blm-native-a
mericans
/

The more racist and hate-filled you are, the more Trump likes you.

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Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:05 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So. to summarize what I think so far:

Trump (as I have posted many times before) is a loose cannon. His MO is taking things apart. That is a GOOD thing for many aspects of the established order, particularly taking apart the parasitic relationship that the USA has with China and NATO.

TRUMP AND TRADE
On the positive side he withdrew from the TTIP and the TTP, and these have not been replaced with other "free trade" agreements.

He renegotiated NAFTA into USMCA. There is ONE provision in USMCA which might make a difference to Mexican labor:
Quote:

Mexico promised to finish carrying through on its new labor laws, as required under the new trade deal. The labor reforms give Mexican workers the right to vote in independent unions and cast secret votes. The Trump administration, Democrats and labor unions are expected to pay close attention to whether Mexico meets those commitments.
the success of USMCA depends heavily on what Manuel Obrador can do in Mexico. USMCA also attempts to require auto manufacturers to make more parts in the USA, but these have 3 to 7-year implementation schedules so effect is not visible yet.

The elephant in the room is China: no special trade deal has been reached with China, and it is unlikely that one will be. Trade will continue under WTO rules, but Trump is doing his best to piss China off and it's working, so expect a continued "decoupling".

IMHO THIS IS A GOOD THING. Also, it is unlikely to be reversed by the next President. China has been parasitizing the USA middle class for decades.

Trump has levied more sanctions against more businesses and nations than any previous President. I can't find a complete list, but he has sanctioned Russia AND GERMANY over NordStream2, Russia over supposed elections violations, Chinese businesses bc of Hong Kong, Venezuela, Iran; France, Germany and Canada (aluminum) ... really, I can't track them all.

This has made America an unreliable trade partner, and downgraded the USA dollar (USD) as the universal trade currency. Also, IMHO, a good thing, since I believe America should MAKE WHAT IT CAN AND TRADE FOR WHAT IT MUST. It has also thrown Iran, China, and Russia into eachother's arms ... not a good thing.

Altho it is Trump's goal to reduce our trade deficit, just like illegal immigration, the TRADE DEFICIT first rose, then fell under Trump. This is partly due to his inability to get lenders to invest in production in the USA, as opposed to speculation. Trump - or any USA President- simply doesn't have the authority to require investment in steel, aluminum, textiles, chemicals, tech etc.


IMMIGRATION
He's also done some "out of the box" thinking and gotten Mexico to control the flow of migrants to the USA, and restored some sanity - and honesty - to the use of "asylum" as an entry into the USA. He also restored sanity on the use of illegal migrants in counting for representation.

Quote:

The past year [2019] has arguably been the Trump administration's most successful one in its quest to restrict asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, overhaul the nation's legal immigration system, crack down on undocumented immigrants, alter America's status as a safe haven for refugees and challenge decades of bipartisan consensus that robust immigration is key to America's economic and social prosperity.

...In March, President Trump moved to end foreign aid to El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, faulting their governments for not doing enough to stop their citizens from fleeing. The next month, Mr. Trump announced a "tougher" direction at the border that fueled the ouster of top officials at the Department of Homeland of Security, including its chief, Kirstjen Nielsen.

In May, U.S. border officials apprehended more than 133,000 migrants, a 13-year monthly high. Border officials warned of a "breaking point" and "full-blown emergency."
Immigration. But in the months since, border apprehensions have plummeted, reaching about 33,000 in November. Along with more aggressive immigration enforcement by the Mexican government, the administration has attributed the sharp drop to a series of restrictive and controversial policies it implemented this year.
The most effective policy, from the administration's point of view, has been the so-called "Remain in Mexico" program, through which the U.S. has returned about 56,000 asylum-seekers to Mexico to wait for the duration of their U.S. immigration proceedings.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-2019-the-year-trump-restricte
d-legal-immigration-and-effectively-shut-off-asylum-at-the-border
/

The M$M puts the most negative spin on this, but IMHO this is a GOOD thing. It puts the interests of Americans and American workers above the interests of agribusiness, contruction and sweatshops and the interests of non-citizens.

I call this a "win" for Trump, and for America.

OVERSEAS MILITARY
Well, the big plus is that Trump hasn't started any new wars. For an American President, that's amazing!

However, for whatever reason he hasn't been able to either fully remove troops from the ME (a giant boondoggle if you ask me) or stop the neocons and warhawks from their incessant meddling in other nations. So we have not seen a budgetary "peace benefit".

FINANCES
Trump and the "everything bubble". I'm not sure whether to lay this at the feet of The Fed, or Trump, or both. The Fed has been hemorrhaging money into speculation at a rate faster than any previous time except 2008, causing an irrational rise in stocks, bonds, homes, AND especially tech stocks, and supporting banks. Technically The Fed is independent of the President, but Trump has publicly owned the stock market rally so he would also own the crash.

COVID
Oh, my. EVERY nation has seen a wobble in their economies because of COVID, but the USA's has wobbled the worst.
It's been CITIES AND STATES that have ordered lockdowns, not Trump. OTOH his administration has not been able to provide consistent messaging on a "STEP 2", which is what you're supposed to do AFTER the lockdown, has not helped the states emerge from lockdown. Since SARS-Cov2 had been noodling around in the population for quite awhile before action was taken, I suppose a lockdown would have to be instituted as a circuit-breaker, but it should have been done in tandem with universal masking. And once the infection rate was reduced to something manageable the states should have been ready with a robust test and contact tracing program. Unfortunately, on advice of the CDC Trump bobbled the masking message and the DCDC bobbled the testing rollout for a month, if not more.
And you can't just open up and cross your fingers.

POLITICS
Trump had laid bare the presence of the deep state: un-elected officials in government, particularly in the spook agencies and State Dept, and their collaborators in foreign intelligence (MI6 particularly) and the M$M. Despite being the target of a wide-ranging and nefarious campaign to spy on him and his staff and smear them with false charges and "anonymous" leaks, he has withstood RUSSIA!RUSSIA!, Ukraingate, and a host of other smears which would have felled a lesser person. He is to be congratulated.



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More Q-tard talk.


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Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Keep up with the 'brilliant' discussions, rf.
snicker

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Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Democrats and CoronaKarens need to own the 2nd Great Depression they've put us in.


One good thing that will come of it is that everybody is going to be up the creek without a paddle. Poverty the likes of what we're going to see does not discriminate.

Maybe we'll find a sense of unity at the end of all of this. It won't be a long time from now before it's over though. Kids that aren't even born yet today will grow up thinking that what's about to happen is just the way life is.


Hope it was worth it.

And I hope you're prepared.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:29 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Democrats and CoronaKarens need to own the 2nd Great Depression they've put us in.


One good thing that will come of it is that everybody is going to be up the creek without a paddle. Poverty the likes of what we're going to see does not discriminate.

Maybe we'll find a sense of unity at the end of all of this. It won't be a long time from now before it's over though. Kids that aren't even born yet today will grow up thinking that what's about to happen is just the way life is.


Hope it was worth it.

And I hope you're prepared.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Thanks, Trump!

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Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:29 PM

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Saturday, August 1, 2020 5:37 PM

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Conservative Media Is Really Struggling With the Possibility That Trump Killed Herman Cain
The idea that Cain’s death shouldn't be politicized is absurd—and impossible.
https://newrepublic.com/article/158728/conservative-media-really-strug
gling-possibility-trump-killed-herman-cain


How did Herman Cain die? Tweets commemorating the former presidential candidate and pizza magnate, including from President Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany, didn’t mention a cause of death. They said he was an “American success story” and a “great friend” who just happened to die of … something.

As someone who briefly led the Republican presidential primary in 2012, Cain is arguably the most famous American to die of Covid-19. He was also an inveterate culture warrior who opposed mask mandates and amplified skepticism of the dangers of coronavirus. Nine days before he tested positive for the virus, he was filmed without a mask in a tight crowd at Donald Trump’s Tulsa rally. (At least eight White House staffers involved in the rally have tested positive for the virus.) It is entirely reasonable to propose that Trump, as well as the entire Republican industry built around resisting basic anti-virus safety protocols, bear some responsibility for his preventable death.

But that is a bridge that gets a little too close to reality for Republican politicians and their allies in conservative media, which have claimed that liberals have been polluting Cain’s memory by politicizing it. As usual, they got it backwards.




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Saturday, August 1, 2020 6:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted SIGNYM:
So. to summarize what I think so far:

Trump (as I have posted many times before) is a loose cannon. His MO is taking things apart. That is a GOOD thing for many aspects of the established order, particularly taking apart the parasitic relationship that the USA has with China and NATO.

TRUMP AND TRADE
On the positive side he withdrew from the TTIP and the TTP, and these have not been replaced with other "free trade" agreements.

He renegotiated NAFTA into USMCA. There is ONE provision in USMCA which might make a difference to Mexican labor:
Quote:

Mexico promised to finish carrying through on its new labor laws, as required under the new trade deal. The labor reforms give Mexican workers the right to vote in independent unions and cast secret votes. The Trump administration, Democrats and labor unions are expected to pay close attention to whether Mexico meets those commitments.
the success of USMCA depends heavily on what Manuel Obrador can do in Mexico. USMCA also attempts to require auto manufacturers to make more parts in the USA, but these have 3 to 7-year implementation schedules so effect is not visible yet.

The elephant in the room is China: no special trade deal has been reached with China, and it is unlikely that one will be. Trade will continue under WTO rules, but Trump is doing his best to piss China off and it's working, so expect a continued "decoupling".

IMHO THIS IS A GOOD THING. Also, it is unlikely to be reversed by the next President. China has been parasitizing the USA middle class for decades.

Trump has levied more sanctions against more businesses and nations than any previous President. I can't find a complete list, but he has sanctioned Russia AND GERMANY over NordStream2, Russia over supposed elections violations, Chinese businesses bc of Hong Kong, Venezuela, Iran; France, Germany and Canada (aluminum) ... really, I can't track them all.

This has made America an unreliable trade partner, and downgraded the USA dollar (USD) as the universal trade currency. Also, IMHO, a good thing, since I believe America should MAKE WHAT IT CAN AND TRADE FOR WHAT IT MUST. It has also thrown Iran, China, and Russia into eachother's arms ... not a good thing.

Altho it is Trump's goal to reduce our trade deficit, just like illegal immigration, the TRADE DEFICIT first rose, then fell under Trump. This is partly due to his inability to get lenders to invest in production in the USA, as opposed to speculation. Trump - or any USA President- simply doesn't have the authority to require investment in steel, aluminum, textiles, chemicals, tech etc.


IMMIGRATION
He's also done some "out of the box" thinking and gotten Mexico to control the flow of migrants to the USA, and restored some sanity - and honesty - to the use of "asylum" as an entry into the USA. He also restored sanity on the use of illegal migrants in counting for representation.

Quote:

The past year [2019] has arguably been the Trump administration's most successful one in its quest to restrict asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, overhaul the nation's legal immigration system, crack down on undocumented immigrants, alter America's status as a safe haven for refugees and challenge decades of bipartisan consensus that robust immigration is key to America's economic and social prosperity.

...In March, President Trump moved to end foreign aid to El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, faulting their governments for not doing enough to stop their citizens from fleeing. The next month, Mr. Trump announced a "tougher" direction at the border that fueled the ouster of top officials at the Department of Homeland of Security, including its chief, Kirstjen Nielsen.

In May, U.S. border officials apprehended more than 133,000 migrants, a 13-year monthly high. Border officials warned of a "breaking point" and "full-blown emergency."
Immigration. But in the months since, border apprehensions have plummeted, reaching about 33,000 in November. Along with more aggressive immigration enforcement by the Mexican government, the administration has attributed the sharp drop to a series of restrictive and controversial policies it implemented this year.
The most effective policy, from the administration's point of view, has been the so-called "Remain in Mexico" program, through which the U.S. has returned about 56,000 asylum-seekers to Mexico to wait for the duration of their U.S. immigration proceedings.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-2019-the-year-trump-restricte
d-legal-immigration-and-effectively-shut-off-asylum-at-the-border
/

The M$M puts the most negative spin on this, but IMHO this is a GOOD thing. It puts the interests of Americans and American workers above the interests of agribusiness, contruction and sweatshops and the interests of non-citizens.

I call this a "win" for Trump, and for America.

OVERSEAS MILITARY
Well, the big plus is that Trump hasn't started any new wars. For an American President, that's amazing!

However, for whatever reason he hasn't been able to either fully remove troops from the ME (a giant boondoggle if you ask me) or stop the neocons and warhawks from their incessant meddling in other nations. So we have not seen a budgetary "peace benefit".

FINANCES
Trump and the "everything bubble". I'm not sure whether to lay this at the feet of The Fed, or Trump, or both. The Fed has been hemorrhaging money into speculation at a rate faster than any previous time except 2008, causing an irrational rise in stocks, bonds, homes, AND especially tech stocks, and supporting banks. Technically The Fed is independent of the President, but Trump has publicly owned the stock market rally so he would also own the crash.

COVID
Oh, my. EVERY nation has seen a wobble in their economies because of COVID, but the USA's has wobbled the worst.
It's been CITIES AND STATES that have ordered lockdowns, not Trump. OTOH his administration has not been able to provide consistent messaging on a "STEP 2", which is what you're supposed to do AFTER the lockdown, has not helped the states emerge from lockdown. Since SARS-Cov2 had been noodling around in the population for quite awhile before action was taken, I suppose a lockdown would have to be instituted as a circuit-breaker, but it should have been done in tandem with universal masking. And once the infection rate was reduced to something manageable the states should have been ready with a robust test and contact tracing program. Unfortunately, on advice of the CDC Trump bobbled the masking message and the DCDC bobbled the testing rollout for a month, if not more.
And you can't just open up and cross your fingers.

POLITICS
Trump had laid bare the presence of the deep state: un-elected officials in government, particularly in the spook agencies and State Dept, and their collaborators in foreign intelligence (MI6 particularly) and the M$M. Despite being the target of a wide-ranging and nefarious campaign to spy on him and his staff and smear them with false charges and "anonymous" leaks, he has withstood RUSSIA!RUSSIA!, Ukraingate, and a host of other smears which would have felled a lesser person. He is to be congratulated.

*****
REAVERBOT: More Q-tard talk.



Thanks for the bump AND the quote!
Also, thanks for looking like an idiot!



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