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Friday, August 9, 2019 2:14 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, August 9, 2019 5:15 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this next debate end of September? More could qualify by then, right?
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this next debate end of September? More could qualify by then, right?
Saturday, August 10, 2019 3:31 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, August 10, 2019 4:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Sadly, I went to the DNC site and found NOT ONE link regarding how they're conducting the debates. http://www.democraticnationalcommittee.org/home.html Looking around, I found an entirely different website that had NOT ONE link regarding how they're conducting the debates. https://democrats.org/2020-2/
Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:53 PM
Monday, August 12, 2019 4:16 PM
Monday, August 12, 2019 5:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Today I hear that Kamala Harris and Pocahontas are clammoring to celebrate the 5 Year Anniversary of Career Criminal Michael Brown robbing a store, then jaywalking with his loot, then attacking a Police Officer in his Police Car!! Can't be too surprised to hear Democraps Celebrating Criminals, right?
Monday, August 12, 2019 5:21 PM
Monday, August 12, 2019 10:05 PM
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 1:48 AM
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:54 AM
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:42 PM
Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Today I hear that Kamala Harris and Pocahontas are clammoring to celebrate the 5 Year Anniversary of Career Criminal Michael Brown robbing a store, then jaywalking with his loot, then attacking a Police Officer in his Police Car!! Can't be too surprised to hear Democraps Celebrating Criminals, right?
Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:22 PM
Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I'm kind of interested in the process. Hillary was shoehorned in. So now the democrats want to be, well, more democratic - except not really. Because they REALLY want to keep their current gig going. Biden is plan 'Biden A' to achieve that. I believe Harris is for now plan 'Biden B'. All the rest of the same-old same-old are too far down in the polls. And everyone else with reasonable percentages is a problem for how the democrats REALLY want things to work*. (*See the smearing of Tulsi Gabbard as an indication of what democrats really want to protect.) So I'll be watching the news for more slant. Personally, if either Harris or Biden end up the candidate, I'll once again be voting for 'not for the democrat'. And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:04 PM
Quote: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-20/bromance-myth-why-obama-never-trusted-his-stupid-running-mate "speculation about Obama's refusal to endorse his former running mate (Biden) mounts"
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:25 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:38 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
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Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: As of today, from the Real Clear Politics graph (highest or lowest // today) Biden 41.4 // 28.8 Sanders 24.0 // 16.0 O'Rourke 9.5 // 3.0 Harris 25.2 // 7.4 Booker 6.0 // 2.2 Warren 7.0 // 15.4 Buttigieg <1 // 5.0* * Buttigieg was as high as 8.3, but then the issue of the police force hit the news, and he dropped down to ~5, where he's been more or less stuck ever since. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:41 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:01 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debates-2019-dnc-debate-houston-september-democrats-who-qualify/ Updated on: August 20, 2019 / 10:48 AM / CBS News Former Vice President Joe Biden New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro California Sen. Kamala Harris Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang, businessman
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Heard a new Rasmussen poll. 63% of Americans expect Trump to be re-elected in 2020.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Last week, I heard a poll about Dems. Biden was leading, Sanders dropped 13%, Pocahontas fell into 2nd place.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Then yesterday I heard that Kamala fell something like 12%, based upon 2 minutes from Tulsi Gabbard.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: But the one I found most interesting was that there was an almost 50-50 split among Democrats regarding to direction forward: half thought the Dems should resurrect the failed policies of Obama and protect his legacy with more failure, and the other half wanted to abandon the past Obama failures and develop new policies and direction for the Dems to work towards. But that part about Dems arguing about whether to move forward or regress back to Obama, that seems to indicate that no matter who they annoint as candidate, that person still won't get more than half of the Democrat vote. They've broken themselves apart, splintered yet occupying the same banner.
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: So Castro is the new addition. One more week to make the 28 August deadline.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:51 PM
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debates-2019-dnc-debate-houston-september-democrats-who-qualify/ Updated on: August 20, 2019 / 10:48 AM / CBS News Former Vice President Joe Biden New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro California Sen. Kamala Harris Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang, businessman
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Heard a new Rasmussen poll. 63% of Americans expect Trump to be re-elected in 2020. A few weeks ago PBS TV news had a special from Iowa, and the reporter (whose name I forget) had to admit in one brief phrase (among the very long focus on democrats) that Trump was very popular in Iowa.Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Last week, I heard a poll about Dems. Biden was leading, Sanders dropped 13%, Pocahontas fell into 2nd place. Warren was never in first after Biden officially entered, so she didn't drop to second (from first). Over the long haul, Sanders has dropped and Warren actually picked up, till they're neck-and-neck for place and show.Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Then yesterday I heard that Kamala fell something like 12%, based upon 2 minutes from Tulsi Gabbard. Harris was sagging pretty continuously after peaking right after the first debate, but the Gabbard's takedown of her was most excellent! and cost maybe another 3 percentage points.Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: But the one I found most interesting was that there was an almost 50-50 split among Democrats regarding to direction forward: half thought the Dems should resurrect the failed policies of Obama and protect his legacy with more failure, and the other half wanted to abandon the past Obama failures and develop new policies and direction for the Dems to work towards. But that part about Dems arguing about whether to move forward or regress back to Obama, that seems to indicate that no matter who they annoint as candidate, that person still won't get more than half of the Democrat vote. They've broken themselves apart, splintered yet occupying the same banner.
Friday, August 23, 2019 5:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debates-2019-dnc-debate-houston-september-democrats-who-qualify/ Updated on: August 20, 2019 / 10:48 AM / CBS News Former Vice President Joe Biden New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro California Sen. Kamala Harris Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang, businessmanSo Castro is the new addition. One more week to make the 28 August deadline.
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:58 PM
Quote:]Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The polling threshold has a deadline of 28 August. Another day in Sept does not count.
Friday, August 23, 2019 9:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Warren and Sanders:
Quote: Bernie was in 2nd place. Pocahontas was lower. Bernie fell. Pocahontas also fell at some point.
Quote: But because Bernie fell more that she did, she ended up in 2nd place, with Bernie behind her. Sorry if I confused anybody.
Quote:Other item: if they are going to play catch-up, do they need help from Secretary Swiftboat Ketchup?
Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:]Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The polling threshold has a deadline of 28 August. Another day in Sept does not count. Just that while they may not make it to debate #3, they can still make it to debate #4, which has the exact same thresholds. As I understand it, once they meet the donations threshold, the clock doesn't reset after debate #3 and they don't have to meet that donations threshold all over again. So all they have to do is meet the polling threshold, and more time after debate #3 will give them a chance to do that.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debates-2019-dnc-debate-houston-september-democrats-who-qualify/ Updated on: August 20, 2019 / 10:48 AM / CBS News Former Vice President Joe Biden New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro California Sen. Kamala Harris Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang, businessmanQuote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: So Castro is the new addition. One more week to make the 28 August deadline.
Quote: https://www.vox.com/2019/8/8/20758519/democratic-debate-qualification-polls-candidates-yang-gabbard 1. The polling threshold: A candidate must hit 2 percent or more in at least four polls released between June 28 and August 28. These can be either national polls or early state polls (of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, or South Carolina). These polls must be conducted by one of these organizations: CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, the Associated Press, NPR, the Des Moines Register, Monmouth University, Quinnipiac University, the University of New Hampshire, or Winthrop University. One catch is that a candidate cannot use multiple polls by the same organization covering the same geographic area. (For example, if there are two NBC national polls showing a candidate meeting the threshold, only one of them will count).
Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Warren and Sanders:
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:28 PM
Quote: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/who-will-make-the-third-democratic-debate-and-who-could-miss-it/ But failing to make the third debate isn’t necessarily all she wrote for some of the lower-tier candidates. According to an email sent by the DNC to the campaigns earlier this month, polls that count toward qualification for the third debate will also count for the fourth debate in October (date still TBD). In theory, that means a candidate who came up short of making the third debate might be able to pick up enough qualifying surveys and donors to make the fourth debate. However, failing to make the third debate might signal to potential supporters and prospective contributors that a candidate isn’t worth backing, thus making it harder to get the polls and donors necessary to qualify for the October event.
Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Candidates who don't qualify for the third debate might still qualify for the fourth debate. Perhaps this explains it more clearly than I seem to have done. Quote: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/who-will-make-the-third-democratic-debate-and-who-could-miss-it/ But failing to make the third debate isn’t necessarily all she wrote for some of the lower-tier candidates. According to an email sent by the DNC to the campaigns earlier this month, polls that count toward qualification for the third debate will also count for the fourth debate in October (date still TBD). In theory, that means a candidate who came up short of making the third debate might be able to pick up enough qualifying surveys and donors to make the fourth debate. However, failing to make the third debate might signal to potential supporters and prospective contributors that a candidate isn’t worth backing, thus making it harder to get the polls and donors necessary to qualify for the October event.
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://www.vox.com/2019/8/8/20758519/democratic-debate-qualification-polls-candidates-yang-gabbard 1. The polling threshold: A candidate must hit 2 percent or more in at least four polls released between June 28 and August 28. These can be either national polls or early state polls (of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, or South Carolina). These polls must be conducted by one of these organizations: CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, the Associated Press, NPR, the Des Moines Register, Monmouth University, Quinnipiac University, the University of New Hampshire, or Winthrop University. One catch is that a candidate cannot use multiple polls by the same organization covering the same geographic area. (For example, if there are two NBC national polls showing a candidate meeting the threshold, only one of them will count).
Thursday, August 29, 2019 4:54 PM
Friday, August 30, 2019 10:25 PM
Friday, August 30, 2019 10:33 PM
Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:16 AM
Sunday, September 1, 2019 1:36 PM
Sunday, September 1, 2019 3:12 PM
Quote: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/americas-billionaires-congealing-around-warren-and-buttigieg As of just a few weeks ago, the Democratic Party’s five top U.S. Presidential candidates, in terms of whom had been backed the most strongly by America’s billionaires, were, in order from the top: Pete Buttigieg, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Michael Bennett, and Joe Biden. Warren was 12th down from Buttigieg’s #1 position, in support from the billionaires. Sanders was at the very bottom — zero billionaires backing him (he was the only one of the 17 reporting candidates who had no billionaire backer). The Democratic Party’s billionaires are just crazy about Buttigieg, but the question right now is whom will they choose to be running against him during the decisive final round of the primaries? Would they rather it be Sanders? Or instead Warren?
Quote: They definitely prefer Warren.
Quote: Her recent soaring poll-numbers are raising her support, from them, so strongly that the neoconservative-neoliberal (i.e., pro-billionaire) David Bradley’s The Atlantic magazine headlined on August 26th, “Elizabeth Warren Manages to Woo the Democratic Establishment”. This magazine reported (to use my language, not theirs) that the rats from the sinking ship Joe Biden have begun to jump onboard the U.S.S. Elizabeth Warren’s rising ship, which might already be tied even-steven with the other two leading ships, of Biden and of Sanders. Since Sanders is the only American Presidential candidate whom no billionaire supports, there are strong indications that Warren is drawing some of them away from Biden.
Quote:This could turn the nominating contest into, ultimately, Buttigieg versus Warren (both of whom are acceptable to billionaires), instead of into Buttigieg versus Sanders (which would pose the threat to them of producing a Sanders Presidency).
Quote: There is little reason to think that Buttigieg will decline to the #2 position in billionaires’ support; but, if this contest turns into Sanders v. Buttigieg, instead of into Warren v. Buttigieg, then Democratic Party billionaires not only would pour even more money into Buttigieg’s campaign against Sanders, but they would likely end up donating to the Republican Presidential nominee in 2020 if Sanders ends up beating Buttigieg (as polls indicate he almost certainly would). By contrast, if this nominating contest ends up being between Warren v. Buttigieg, then the Party’s billionaires wouldn’t likely switch to supporting the Republican Presidential nominee — they’d continue donating to the Democratic Party, regardless of which of those two candidates wins the nomination, in order to defeat Trump (or whomever the Republican nominee turns out to be), and take the control of the country away from Republican billionaires (as it now is).
Quote: > On April 19th, Jonathan Martin headlined in the New York Times, “‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum” > (The) Daily Kos, targets to make suckers of Democrats who might vote in the primaries for people that the billionaires actually fear — and that’s now especially Sanders > David Brock (Media Matters)... said he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.” > Howard Wolfson who spent months immersed in Democratic polling and focus groups on behalf of former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York, had a blunt message for Sanders skeptics: “People underestimate the possibility of him becoming the nominee at their own PERIL.” > longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz [the billionaire former Vice Chairman of Lockheed Martin] organized a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington about What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity ... > [Rufus] Gifford [former President Barack Obama’s 2012 finance director, who] ... has gone public in recent days with his dismay over major Democratic fund-raisers remaining on the sidelines, said of Mr. Sanders, “I feel like everything we are doing is playing into his hands.”
Quote: So: the rise of Elizabeth Warren gives the billionaires a ‘progressive’ candidate who might either win the nomination or else at least split progressive voters during the primaries (between Sanders and Warren) and thus give the nomination to Buttigieg, who is their first choice (especially since both Biden and Harris have been faltering so badly of late). Her record in the U.S. Senate is consistently in support of U.S. invasions, coups, and sanctions against countries that have never invaded nor even threatened to invade the U.S., such as Venezuela, Palestine, Syria, and Iran; she’s 100% a neocon (just like G.W. Bush, Obama and Trump were/are); and, to billionaires, that is even more important than her policy-record regarding Wall Street is, because the Military Industrial Complex, which she represents, is even more important to enforcing and spreading the U.S. megacorporate empire than the investment-firms are. So, whereas they would be able to deal with Warren, they wouldn’t be able to deal with Sanders, whose policy-record is remarkably progressive in all respects, and not only on domestic U.S. matters. Whereas the public pays attention virtually only to domestic matters, billionaires care even more about foreign than about domestic affairs — and this fact — more than anything else — makes Sanders utterly unacceptable to them.
Monday, September 2, 2019 2:13 PM
Monday, September 2, 2019 6:49 PM
Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I heard Gillibrand is out, announced via tweety.
Thursday, September 5, 2019 8:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_presidential_primary_debate_(September_12,_2019) ABC Thursday, September 12, 2019 Joe Biden Cory Booker Pete Buttigieg Julián Castro Kamala Harris Amy Klobuchar Beto O’Rourke Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang Polling criteria A candidate must receive 2 percent support or more in four national or early state polls—Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada—publicly released between June 28, 2019, and August 28, 2019. Any candidate’s four qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas. Qualifying polls are limited to the following organizations and institutions: Associated Press ABC News CBS News CNN Des Moines Register Fox News Monmouth University NBC News New York Times National Public Radio Quinnipiac University University of New Hampshire Wall Street Journal USA Today Washington Post Winthrop University Grassroots fundraising Candidates must also provide verifiable evidence that they reached the following fundraising thresholds: Donations from at least 130,000 unique donors; and A minimum of 400 unique donors per state in at least 20 states.
Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:41 PM
Friday, September 6, 2019 4:43 PM
Friday, September 6, 2019 5:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Is there still time to qualify? I thought I had heard that she was out, period. If this isn't true, I'd love to see something stating factually that she can still be in the debates. As I stated before, if you went by the RCP polling aggregate, she should already be in. But the DNC has been cherry picking which polls it is accepting so they can keep her out. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, September 6, 2019 6:01 PM
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