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Who Is Running In 2020?

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Friday, February 21, 2020 5:46 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Joke for the day:

Q - What does SECOND fear more than a republican win ?

A - A Sanders win!

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So I went to a number of betting sites last night just to see. It's not true that Sanders will derail democrats. Because while Trump is a good bet for reelection, the best bet to derail him is Sanders. None of the other democrats even come close.


The only thing SECOND fears more than a republican presidential victory is a Sanders' one.

I'd vote for Sanders. In the Texas primary I already mailed in my ballot with Amy Klobuchar. I think Democrats would win more Senate seats if Sanders was not the candidate.

We recommend Amy Klobuchar in Democratic primary for president

www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Amy-Klobuchar-Demo
crat-primary-election-2020-potus-15060430.php


It’s difficult to watch even now — that graceless moment during Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation when he cracked under pressure, shattering the fine shell of judicial temperament and hurling contempt at a senator across the room.

That senator, whose name many Americans couldn’t pronounce at the time, asked if Kavanaugh had ever drunk so much he couldn’t recall the previous night. No, he responded before turning the question back on Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who only moments before had described her father’s struggle with alcoholism.

“I’m curious if you have,” Kavanaugh said, his mouth twisted with rage.

“I have no drinking problem, judge,” Klobuchar responded calmly.

There in that exchange, we see some of what plagues American political discourse and one thing that can save it: a strong leader who can outwit anger, rise above contempt and exercise the good sense to walk us back from the edge rather than push us closer to it.

For Democrats, that person is Amy Klobuchar, the third-term senator from Minnesota.

Said to be surging after her head-turning third-place finish in New Hampshire, Klobuchar, 59, the daughter of an elementary teacher and newspaperman, had been dismissed by some as a milquetoast, midwestern moderate who couldn’t hold a candle to the burn of Bernie Sanders’ revolution or the ambition of Elizabeth Warren’s fully foot-noted vision.

“Being a progressive, the last time I checked, meant that you should make progress,” Klobuchar says.

It’s time for Democrats to look beyond fiery speeches, beyond big ticket promises devoid of price tags, (that's Bernie Sanders in a nutshell) and if possible, beyond the cinematic beckoning of that billionaire button-down Messiah stalking your smartphone, and ask: Who can really get things done?

More at www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Amy-Klobuchar-Demo
crat-primary-election-2020-potus-15060430.php


There are lots of rich businessmen in America who have serious qualms about Trump but support him because they think low taxes and business-friendly regulation are more important than the rule of law. If I did not care that Trump is insane & a tax cheat & a rapist & a non-stop liar, I'd vote for him but because he is, I can't.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 21, 2020 5:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The DNC is at it again!!

From WaPo:

In Nevada, a last-minute scramble to make voting technology work
Nevada’s Democratic Party had planned to use software developed by the same company behind Iowa’s botched caucus app. After Iowa’s debacle, the party cobbled together its own system using iPads and Google software.




And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

Did they already announce Hilliary as the winner?

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Friday, February 21, 2020 6:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did they already announce Hilliary as the winner?

OUCH!

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


WAS THE DEBATE BEATDOWN FATAL FOR MIKE BLOOMBERG?
Quote:

Wednesday night in Las Vegas, Mayor Mike Bloomberg learned what it is like to be thrown up against a wall and frisked.

At the opening of the Democratic debate, his first, Mayor Mike was greeted by his nearest neighbor on stage, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, with this warm welcome:

“We’re running against … a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians.’ And, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.”

Bloomberg was not only charged with misogyny and sexism but racism for his stop-and-frisk policy, which the NYPD pursued during his three terms as mayor. By Bloomberg’s own admission, stop and frisk singled out black men between 16 and 25.

Undiscussed were the positive results of the policy.

Gun homicides in New York fell to levels below those attained by his predecessor, Rudy Giuliani. And if those most often frisked were black and Hispanic men, the lives saved and the woundings prevented were also mostly those of people of color.

Yet, a question that remains after this debate was one that was puzzling even before the debate.

Why did he do it? Why did Bloomberg, who is not on the Nevada or South Carolina ballot, decide to join the debates before these contests?

Today, the mayor’s campaign is probably buying tens of millions of dollars in ads to undo the damage done to him under the remorseless fire on his character, campaign and record from his rivals Wednesday night.

These attacks were predictable and predicted. Why did he submit to this? Who counseled Bloomberg to climb into the ring?

By investing $350 million in ads in primary states since November and crafting scheduled appearances while avoiding adversarial talk shows and candidate debates, Bloomberg had propelled himself from nowhere into the top tier of candidates in every state on Super Tuesday.

Why did he abandon a winning strategy to walk out, unprepared, onto a stage full of enraged and exasperated rivals who think he is buying and stealing a nomination for which they have fought for a year?

https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/was-the-debate-beat-down-fatal-for-mayor
-mike
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 1:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno, the one point that voters ... fff.net posters included ... keep missing:

A PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER DOMESTIC POLICY

That is up to Congress. I mean look at Obama: He talked about Medicare for All, he promised the Public Option, but in the end he had to sign whatever the fuck it was that Congress had crafted, and that was an overly-complex piece of legislation that had one good point (coverage of pre-existing conditions) and one really bad one (being shoved into the maw of corporate insurances with a government subsidy sweetener). None of which controlled costs a bit.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'VE MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE SENATE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED AS MAYOR, PETE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'VE MADE IRL. WHAT MATTERS IS: CAN YOU GRAB HOLD OF THE DEEP STATE, THE CIA AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE NSC (AND THE FBI) AND THE PENTAGON AND CRAFT YOUR OWN FOREIGN POLICY?

Presidential candidates can promise the sun, moon, and stars, domestically, but unless they can get Congress and the M$M to go along with them ... unlikely, if Congress is split or controlled by the other party and domestic policies run athwart of M$M ideological bent ... your promises will come to naught.

The Presidential wheelhouse is foreign policy and protecting the borders of the USA. What does Klobuchar think about Israel and the Mideast? What does Pete think of illegal immigration? How does Bernie feel about the petrodollar? Elizabeth Warren on free trade and American manufacturing ... her thoughts?

Gun control, LGBTQ equality, Medicare for All (or for none), even our crumbling infrastructure: It's all piss in the wind. So much empty virtue signalling, if you're campaigning for President.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 4:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WAS THE DEBATE BEATDOWN FATAL FOR MIKE BLOOMBERG?
Quote:

Wednesday night in Las Vegas, Mayor Mike Bloomberg learned what it is like to be thrown up against a wall and frisked.

HA HA !! OUCH !!

Reading the article, unless I'm misinterpreting it, it looks like the author was in favor of Bloomberg and was agonizing over why he shot himself in the foot, and worrying if it was fatal handicap in the race. And he seems to be anti-Sanders.

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 4:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, the one point that voters ... fff.net posters included ... keep missing:

A PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER DOMESTIC POLICY

That is up to Congress. I mean look at Obama: He talked about Medicare for All, he promised the Public Option, but in the end he had to sign whatever the fuck it was that Congress had crafted, and that was an overly-complex piece of legislation that had one good point (coverage of pre-existing conditions) and one really bad one (being shoved into the maw of corporate insurances with a government subsidy sweetener). None of which controlled costs a bit.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'VE MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE SENATE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED AS MAYOR, PETE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'VE MADE IRL. WHAT MATTERS IS: CAN YOU GRAB HOLD OF THE DEEP STATE, THE CIA AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE NSC (AND THE FBI) AND THE PENTAGON AND CRAFT YOUR OWN FOREIGN POLICY?

Presidential candidates can promise the sun, moon, and stars, domestically, but unless they can get Congress and the M$M to go along with them ... unlikely, if Congress is split or controlled by the other party and domestic policies run athwart of M$M ideological bent ... your promises will come to naught.

The Presidential wheelhouse is foreign policy and protecting the borders of the USA. What does Klobuchar think about Israel and the Mideast? What does Pete think of illegal immigration? How does Bernie feel about the petrodollar? Elizabeth Warren on free trade and American manufacturing ... her thoughts?

Gun control, LGBTQ equality, Medicare for All (or for none), even our crumbling infrastructure: It's all piss in the wind. So much empty virtue signalling, if you're campaigning for President.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

I think there are two ways a presidential candidate can get a hold of domestic policy - by shifting the pull-along vote to gain control of Congress (if the party doesn't already have it), and using the power of the bully pulpit once in office to to gain control of Congress (if the party doesn't already have it) in the mid-terms.

I think FDR was a great example of it.

But I don't see it happening with any of the candidates there still are, even IF they were to get elected.




I think your frustration is with democratic voters ... why they allow themselves to be so willingly misled, and so engaged and enraged, by pointless vapors.

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 4:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Anyway, I watched the debate. It was a cross between a cage match and a Roman arena 'war of all against all'.

I think Warren pretty effectively pulled Bloomberg down based on the NDAs during the debate ... which Bloomberg is nullifying by releasing (a few of? some of? most of? all of?) the women from even as I post. What could have been a severe debit for him I think he's either zeroing out or turning into a credit. As for his racist policies as mayor and refusal to release his taxes that he was challenged with - that may resonate with some audiences significantly, but I'm not sure if it will hurt him across the board.

Anyway, I thought Warren did a good job on Bloomberg for as long as it lasted, but I'm not sure it gained her any points (similar to how Gabbard took down Harris but didn't boost herself).

Buttigieg was as tactical as ever, specifically going after Klobuchar as his nearest competitor. I just find him to be full of evasive talking points that he endlessly deploys at will. And there seems to be no 'there' there. There's no overarching sense of mission ... there's no purpose, no goals, no policies, or deeply held reason to be president. All I see in him is "BE PRESIDENT BY EVERY TACTIC NECESSARY". And why he's still there as former not particularly successful mayor of a small town with no national-level experience at anything at all is beyond me. He could be a CIA plant for all I know. And his programing, lack of apparent purpose, and evasiveness give me the creeps. But that's just me.

After-debate analysts said Biden was the strongest he's ever been. Along with Warren, I thought he did a good job unloading on Bloomberg, but for some reason he came across to me as a querulous old man. But that's just me. I don't think he boosted himself.

Klobuchar just strikes me as too small-minded for the downright existential problems we're facing. And she obviously wants to 'do the job', and 'bring people together', but she's pretty short on specifics. What specifically does she want to accomplish? She made her points - do the job, bring people together - as always, they just didn't carry with me.

Sanders was ... Sanders. I could be reading the tea-leaves wrong, but I think he had an epiphany many years ago about why things are as jacked as they are (maybe it had to do with his mother dying young, alone, after a failed heart surgery in a charity hospital that was miles from the family), and he wants other people to have that epiphany as well. So that seems to be his goal, and the way he frames his arguments. And I think because of it, he constantly misses what seem to be obvious arguments to me. For example: health care. Biden - as always, repeatedly whined about the taxes like a wheezy old man. But the argument against that is that PEOPLE ARE PAYING THE COST ALREADY. Whether it's in premiums, deductibles, or co-pays, or bankruptcy ... or inability to fill a prescription, or unaddressed medical issues that get worse and lead to disability and/ or early death, or being uninsured entirely. It's only a question of which of the people's pockets do you pull the money out of. Do you pull it out of their wallet pockets? Do you pull it out of their wages pockets they had to give up for benefits? Do you pull it out of their health and lifespan pockets? Or instead do you pull it out of the single payer pocket ... with the understanding that if you pull it out of single payer pocket - on average - you'll only have to pull out half as much. I don't know about anyone else, I don't really care which of my pockets it comes out of, but if I can save half, why should I do anything else? To me, it's a no-brainer argument. So I wonder why he misses it.



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Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Bernie Sanders wins Nevada caucuses, Biden running a distant second
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-takes-lead-in-e
arly-nevada-caucus-returns/ar-BB10hnED


final numbers later

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Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The last democratic debate was on the 19th Feb 2020, so as of today, RCP polls aren't showing the effects, if any, of the debate on the polling numbers.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democr
atic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:52 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, the one point that voters ... fff.net posters included ... keep missing:

A PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER DOMESTIC POLICY

That is up to Congress. I mean look at Obama: He talked about Medicare for All, he promised the Public Option, but in the end he had to sign whatever the fuck it was that Congress had crafted, and that was an overly-complex piece of legislation that had one good point (coverage of pre-existing conditions) and one really bad one (being shoved into the maw of corporate insurances with a government subsidy sweetener). None of which controlled costs a bit.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'VE MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE SENATE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED AS MAYOR, PETE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'VE MADE IRL. WHAT MATTERS IS: CAN YOU GRAB HOLD OF THE DEEP STATE, THE CIA AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE NSC (AND THE FBI) AND THE PENTAGON AND CRAFT YOUR OWN FOREIGN POLICY?

Presidential candidates can promise the sun, moon, and stars, domestically, but unless they can get Congress and the M$M to go along with them ... unlikely, if Congress is split or controlled by the other party and domestic policies run athwart of M$M ideological bent ... your promises will come to naught.

The Presidential wheelhouse is foreign policy and protecting the borders of the USA. What does Klobuchar think about Israel and the Mideast? What does Pete think of illegal immigration? How does Bernie feel about the petrodollar? Elizabeth Warren on free trade and American manufacturing ... her thoughts?

Gun control, LGBTQ equality, Medicare for All (or for none), even our crumbling infrastructure: It's all piss in the wind. So much empty virtue signalling, if you're campaigning for President.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

Quote:

https://www.unz.com/emargolis/fat-women-are-not-a-national-priority/

As a foreign affairs specialist, what really dismayed me was that there was only one significant mention of international policy. That’s when the abrasive, loud-mouthed Sen. Amy Klobuchar could not remember the name of the president of Mexico. For God’s sake, she's on a senate committee that deals with Mexico.

While our presidential debate focuses on overweight women and health care, the US and Russia have come terrifyingly close to open war in the Mideast.

But barely any mention of this in the debates. Trump and his big money men from New York and Las Vegas are trying to push Iran into an air war. The US is seeking to overthrow the governments of Venezuela, Cuba, Syria, and Iran. Clashes between China and the US are a major danger. Former defense chief Sam Nunn warns the US and Russia are closer to a nuclear conflict than any time since the 1960’s Cuban missile crisis. No matter.

Americans want entertainers for their made-for-TV politicians. Poor, dignified Mr. Bloomberg didn’t know he would face professional actors, not legislators.

As was mentioned in the post-debate analysis, the debaters are for the most part addressing the topics asked them by the moderators.

The moderators, our so-called news experts, seem to have hijacked the process for more entertainment/ propaganda purposes (just like the nightly so-called news).

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
As a foreign affairs specialist, what really dismayed me was that there was only one significant mention of international policy. That’s when the abrasive, loud-mouthed Sen. Amy Klobuchar could not remember the name of the president of Mexico. For God’s sake, she's on a senate committee that deals with Mexico.



That made me giggle.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Who's running in 2020?

PUTIN! (Apparently)


Quote:

James Carville Says The Big Winner In Nevada Is Putin
Sun, 02/23/2020 - 12:15

With Bernie Sanders having solidified his status as clear front runner for the Democratic nomination by his commanding victory in Nevada last night, also dominating across demographic groups, especially Latinos and young voters, get ready for eight more months of hysterical and anonymously sourced "Russian interference" claims.

Perhaps to be expected it started right away on MSNBC, with longtime Democratic strategist James Carville declaring Putin is very thrilled with the Bernie landslide win.

“Right now, it’s about 1:15 Moscow time. This thing is going very well for Vladimir Putin. I promise you. He’s probably staying up watching this right now. How you doing, Vlad?” Carville quipped in an interview with MSNBC. James Carville says the big winner in Nevada is Putin pic.twitter.com/KV2TjpNiCD
— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) February 22, 2020



SERIOUSLY???? Now the DNC is targeting progressives with the RUSSIA!RUSSIA! meme??

Yanno, the longer they stretch this out, the thinner it becomes. I expect that more and more people will drop out of that idiocy and realize that it's just a desperate DNC trying to shoehorn Hillary in (again) or some other droid.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


During the debates, has a question been asked similar to the following?

Will you pledge to endorse and support any leading candidate, as long as they are a Democrat?

Or are you willing to become a Democrat to be the Democrat nominee?

Do you pledge to endorse only Democrats for the Democrat nomination?

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Monday, February 24, 2020 3:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I see Doomberg ads claiming he was Mayor during 9-11. He was not Mayor until 2002.

Such an obvious lie, why bother? He assumes his voters are so stupid they won't know?

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Monday, February 24, 2020 3:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Bernie Sanders wins Nevada caucuses, Biden running a distant second
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-takes-lead-in-e
arly-nevada-caucus-returns/ar-BB10hnED


final numbers later

Is later going to be this month? When will Hilliary be declared the winner?

I heard Bootyjudge actually won, but Nevada is refusing to release the detail results, only the Fake Total.

You peeps that wrote the script for this need more believable stories.

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Monday, February 24, 2020 4:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Bernie Sanders wins Nevada caucuses, Biden running a distant second
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-takes-lead-in-e
arly-nevada-caucus-returns/ar-BB10hnED


final numbers later

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is later going to be this month? When will Hilliary be declared the winner?

I heard Bootyjudge actually won, but Nevada is refusing to release the detail results, only the Fake Total.

You peeps that wrote the script for this need more believable stories.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/state/nevada

CANDIDATE COUNTYDELEGATES% PLEDGEDDELEGATES#
Sanders 46.8% 18

Biden 20.2% 7

Buttigieg 14.3% 2

Warren 9.7% 0

Steyer 4.7% 0
100% Precincts in

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Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think the more they accuse Sanders of being a Russian asset, the more people are voting for him.

But his response to the (baseless) allegation was as weak-kneed as when the DNC rolled over him in 2016, and he endorsed Hillary after being shafted. THis time around, instead of laughing off the (laughable) story that Russians were helping him, he tossed his tiny fists into the air and said that he would prevent Russia from interfering, and called Putin names.

Seriously? He should have demanded evidence.

This guy bends over any time he comes under a bit of pressure. What makes anyone think he can achieve his Presidential goals if he's spineless? I thought I might vote for him if he ran with Tulsi, but even in the unlikely event that he picked her as a running mate he's proven that he's worthless.

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Pity would be no more,
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'd LIKE to think he did what he did because he thought it was a strategic move, and not something he did because he believed it was true.


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Tuesday, February 25, 2020 7:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think the more they accuse Sanders of being a Russian asset, the more people are voting for him.

But his response to the (baseless) allegation was as weak-kneed as when the DNC rolled over him in 2016, and he endorsed Hillary after being shafted. THis time around, instead of laughing off the (laughable) story that Russians were helping him, he tossed his tiny fists into the air and said that he would prevent Russia from interfering, and called Putin names.

Seriously? He should have demanded evidence.

This guy bends over any time he comes under a bit of pressure. What makes anyone think he can achieve his Presidential goals if he's spineless? I thought I might vote for him if he ran with Tulsi, but even in the unlikely event that he picked her as a running mate he's proven that he's worthless.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!



The idea that Sanders is a Russian is so obviously stupid that only people who believe that Gabbard is and that Trump is a Putin puppet would believe it.


That being said, for the first time in years they're actually saying it about somebody who is a Communist and actually has something in common with Russian politicians.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 25, 2020 7:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Eh Jack ... Sanders has as much in common with Russia as the Swiss, or the Swedes, or the Spanish do. Pretty much every developed or even semi-developed country in Europe already has what Sanders is proposing. Even CANADA has a lot of it! Not to mention, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan. It's not a 'European' thing, a 'Russian' thing, or even a generic 'communist' thing. It's a 'first-world, modern, industrialized nation' thing.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Sanders just came out and praised Fidel Castro. So there's that.

Though it's highly unlikely that Trump would lose Florida anyhow, Democrats just lost Florida for sure if Sanders is their nominee. There's a lot of Cubans in Florida who are not fans of the man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:20 AM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sanders just came out and praised Fidel Castro. So there's that.

You don't have to be a communist to make a point that even someone with the 'wrong label' can do good things for the people.
Quote:

Though it's highly unlikely that Trump would lose Florida anyhow, Democrats just lost Florida for sure if Sanders is their nominee. There's a lot of Cubans in Florida who are not fans of the man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

For sure. Those Cubans were the wealthy, living under the advantage of a brutal dictator who starved, abused, and even murdered the peons (everyone else) in the country. You have no idea Jack how bad things were in Cuba. You have the internet. You have the time. You should look it up. But anyway, yeah, it hurts to lose that kind of power and wealth. And they've been aggrieved ever since. That doesn't exactly give those Floridians a moral leg to stand on. But then, we allow even the murderously morally corrupt - like those Floridians who easily overlook starvation, torture, and murder in their name - to vote.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:23 PM

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At the very least, Sanders is Communist adjacent.

The fucking balls of the Left today to have the nerve to praise Castro should be enough to make sure people never vote Democrat until the uber-left is purged.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:40 PM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the very least, Sanders is Communist adjacent.

The fucking balls of the Left today to have the nerve to praise Castro should be enough to make sure people never vote Democrat until the uber-left is purged.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

lol.

Jack jumps on board the red-baiting train.

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Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the very least, Sanders is Communist adjacent.

The fucking balls of the Left today to have the nerve to praise Castro should be enough to make sure people never vote Democrat until the uber-left is purged.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

lol.

Jack jumps on board the red-baiting train.



When the Bernies and AOCs are either purged from the party or stop acting like Communists then I won't call them Communists.


I used to find it funny, but now I really just resent how the Democrats and the media constantly talk about how Trump is a Putin puppet and Russia hacks our elections, but they're the closest thing we have in this country to Communism in 2020.

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Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:11 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Between your coronavirus 'social experiment' comment (yes! all those scientists in all those countries are part of a grand coronavirus conspiracy !!), and you calling the democrats and the m$m communists ( instead of, say, puppets of the wealthy), I seriously wonder if you've suddenly slipped a cog, Jack. Or have you thought this all along and you're just saying it now? I'm almost tempted to post Where is Jack and what have you done with him?!. Because the Jack I know is extremely cynical but pretty analytical. And this is just out there.

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Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just like most people throw the word "fascist" and "Nazi" around without knowing what those words mean, many people (libertarians especially) throw the word "communist" around without knowing what THAT means, either. For them, "communist" means anyone they don't like.

My personal favorite: "cultural Marxist". I have no idea what that means, and I don't think people who use that term know, either. (I think what they really mean is Trotskyist, but I'm not sure.)

SIX, when you opined that the only thing that matters is CLASS, you came closer to being a Marxist than anyone else around here.




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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Thursday, February 27, 2020 8:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

My personal favorite: "cultural Marxist". I have no idea what that means, and I don't think people who use that term know, either. (I think what they really mean is Trotskyist, but I'm not sure.)



https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/276018/just-because-anti-semites-talk
-about-cultural-marxism-doesnt-mean-it-isnt-real


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Thursday, February 27, 2020 2:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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In brief, it is a belief that cultural productions (books, institutions, etc.) and ideas are emanations of underlying power structures, so we must scrutinize and judge all culture and ideas based on their relation to power. Following from this premise, advocates for the persecuted and oppressed must attack forms of culture that reinscribe the values of the ruling class, and disseminate culture and ideas that support “oppressed” groups and “progressive” causes.


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Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:34 PM

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I think it's a good article written on it that doesn't take one extreme side or the other.

It absolutely does exist and it absolutely is a problem. But it's pretty much probably not a huge Jewish conspiracy, the likes of some old PirateNews thread title.

The last paragraph was great:

Quote:

Cultural Marxism was no conspiracy, but it is also no mere right-wing “phantasmagoria.” It was and remains a coherent intellectual program, a constellation of dangerous ideas. Aspects of these ideas, to their credit, brought the West’s dirty laundry into the limelight and inaugurated a period of necessary housecleaning that was, indeed, overdue. But their obsessive focus on our societal dirt—real and perceived “injustice,” “oppression,” “privilege,” “marginalization” and the like—quickly became a pathological compulsion. We started to see dirt everywhere. We cleansed and continue to cleanse ourselves tirelessly but are never satisfied, always eager to uncover more dirty deeds and historical sins and stage more ritualized purges. We end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And all our hard-won collective attainments and achievements, all that is great and good and glorious in our midst, gets swept up, spat on and discarded with the rest of the trash.


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Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:38 PM

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Oh... and btw...

I do hope that after you read that article that you realize that Marxism and Cultural Marxism are two very different things. At least to the intelligent people that aren't just the low IQ extremists on the "right" that actually do hate Jewish people and throw that phrase around as if they have a clue what they're talking about so they can sound like the smartest guy at the Klan rally.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:29 AM

1KIKI

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What to make of 'Mayor Pete'.

I've mentioned a few times already that I don't see a 'there' there. He doesn't seem to have an overarching personal reason to be president - no search for justice, drive for public duty, itch for power, plan to save the world, scheme to make money, desire to get the gig and get the babes, or anything. He's an assemblage of disparate talking points, each delivered with the same unemphatic cleverness as the previous one or the next. And every step of the way has been EXTREMELY strategic, with a collage of shifting opinions and aims, to satisfy whatever will play best at the time. It all seems synthetic.

WAY back when I posted a chunk of an article that outlined how MUCH money 'Mayor Pete' was getting from ultra-wealthy mega-billionaires. At the time I thought he was being positioned as BidenB, to represent tptb, should BidenA stumble or slow.

A month or so ago I read some speculation that he's a CIA plant (being ex-army intelligence that worked closely with black-ops CIA). He's enough of a droid to be that and the CIA reportedly has enough of a history of doing that.

Recently I looked at polls AND betting sites, and they're both in agreement about 'Mayor Pete' - he has a snowball's chance in hell of being the next president.

So why is he still in the race?

As I've been slogging my way through the last debate, it occurred to me he's really reduced his prescriptions for what he wants to do, and focused far more on criticizing Sanders. The shift in direction was dramatic and obvious. It looks to me like he's still in there, spending SOMEBODY'S money, as a spoiler. It looks like right now, that's his job.


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Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:14 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Bernie has a 51% chance of dying in the next 5 years, and 65% at 8 years. That's his motivation for being President -- to make his mark just before he croaks.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/02/28/more-on-bernie-sanderss-life-
expectancy
/

In response to my post about Bernie Sanders’s heart condition, a reader who is a professor of medicine at a major academic medical center, emailed me the following:

I am a cardiologist.

I think Senator Sanders’ risk of mortality is underappreciated because the importance of his heart attack is underappreciated. In a man of this age with a heart attack, good evidence suggests he has a median survival of 5 years. Here is the data, and the figure of it.
www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/jaha.117.007230?etoc=&;

It would be reasonable to argue that care is better now than it was in 2005. That is true. However, the patients in this study were doing all the things that are currently recommended in the 2014 AHA/ACC guidelines for care after a heart attack. The patients in the registry well treated: 80 percent on statins, 94 percent on aspirin, 70 percent on ACE/ARBs, 70 percent on clopidogrel. Thus, these outcomes are salient to outcomes now. In my opinion, this just does not bode well.

As a cardiologist, to make a better assessment, I would like to know the following:

Which vessel was blocked and required the stenting?
Did he have ST segment elevations or depressions on his ECG?
How many vessels have significant blockage (>50%)
Is his heart pumping function normal or reduced?
Does he have diabetes?
How is his kidney function?
Does he have other vascular disease (stroke, known carotid artery stenosis, peripheral artery disease) as well?
What medications is he on now?
Are his blood pressure and cholesterol controlled?

With that information, we can provide more insight.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Another internet doctor doing an internet diagnosis.

That's malpractice.


And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What to make of 'Mayor Pete'.

I've mentioned a few times already that I don't see a 'there' there. He doesn't seem to have an overarching personal reason to be president - no search for justice, drive for public duty, itch for power, plan to save the world, scheme to make money, desire to get the gig and get the babes, or anything. He's an assemblage of disparate talking points, each delivered with the same unemphatic cleverness as the previous one or the next. And every step of the way has been EXTREMELY strategic, with a collage of shifting opinions and aims, to satisfy whatever will play best at the time. It all seems synthetic.

WAY back when I posted a chunk of an article that outlined how MUCH money 'Mayor Pete' was getting from ultra-wealthy mega-billionaires. At the time I thought he was being positioned as BidenB, to represent tptb, should BidenA stumble or slow.

A month or so ago I read some speculation that he's a CIA plant (being ex-army intelligence that worked closely with black-ops CIA). He's enough of a droid to be that and the CIA reportedly has enough of a history of doing that.

Recently I looked at polls AND betting sites, and they're both in agreement about 'Mayor Pete' - he has a snowball's chance in hell of being the next president.

So why is he still in the race?

As I've been slogging my way through the last debate, it occurred to me he's really reduced his prescriptions for what he wants to do, and focused far more on criticizing Sanders. The shift in direction was dramatic and obvious. It looks to me like he's still in there, spending SOMEBODY'S money, as a spoiler. It looks like right now, that's his job.

So, who do you think has a chance? Is it still Hilliary? Or NOTA?

I've heard of the Heart Attack Race. Which of the Dems is most likely to have a Cardiac Arrest or Stroke first? Whether or not Hiliary is the Veep.


Also, are any of these likely to be the first elected woman Veep?
For each of the remaining candidates, who is the most likely woman in America that they might choose as their running mate?

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Another internet doctor doing an internet diagnosis.

That's malpractice.

If Bernie wants to claim malpractice, his cardiologist needs to be at the next debate.

A 78-year old man who had a heart attack less than five months ago and refuses to release his complete medical records is the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination. If Bernie Sanders is nominated and elected president, what are the odds he can complete his first full term? The answer is about 50-50. If Bernie disagrees, bring his cardiologist on the campaign trail to say so.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

]Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, who do you think has a chance? Is it still Hilliary? Or NOTA?

I've heard of the Heart Attack Race. Which of the Dems is most likely to have a Cardiac Arrest or Stroke first? Whether or not Hiliary is the Veep.


Also, are any of these likely to be the first elected woman Veep?
For each of the remaining candidates, who is the most likely woman in America that they might choose as their running mate?

Oh, you know, there's a lot of time between now and then. All I have to go on is current data. But Buttigieg and Klobuchar seem destined to not make it. I have a personal sense of why Klobuchar is still running (she believes in her accomplishments too much to quit). I believe 'Mayor Pete' is still running as a spoiler. But neither is going to go anywhere towards the WH.

But there could be a brokered convention coming up with over 500 superdelegates involved, and if that happens afaik all hell breaks loose on the 'democratic' side.

That's as far as I'll suppose.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:27 PM

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Biden 51.5%

Sanders 17.8%

Steyer 11.1%

Buttigieg 7.9%

Warren 6.8%

17.51% precincts reporting

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Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:00 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Biden 51.5%

Sanders 17.8%

President Donald Trump called on Republicans to take part in South Carolina’s Democratic primary and vote for the candidate who would be easiest to beat but still has a real shot at the nomination. After polling the audience via cheers and clapping, Trump determined that the one who fit the bill was Sen. Bernie Sanders.

During his rally in South Carolina on Friday, Trump first expressed hope that “this is OK from a campaign finance standpoint.” He even asked South Carolina Sens. Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham for some legal advice: “Are we allowed to tell them who we would like them to vote for?” It seems Trump decided that he’d be in the clear if he conducted it as a poll. “Who would be the best candidate for us?” he asked, having made clear he was looking to identify the “weakest” contender in the Democratic field. South Carolina has an open primary system where members of any party can participate in the Democratic primary and some are urging conservatives to take part in the vote.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-calls-supporters-sou
th-carolina-vote-bernie-sanders-in-primary.html


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Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:22 PM

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After Sanders refused at his town hall on Monday to say whether he'd accept financial help from billionaire Michael Bloomberg, Sanders' senior campaign adviser, Jeff Weaver set the record straight in an NBC News interview. "It's a hard no," he said, adding, "I think we can raise over a billion dollars in small-dollar contributions."

The position Sanders landed on is a very peculiar one. It suggests that he would rather lose to Trump than to tarnish his ideological purity by taking money from a billionaire. That his campaign would turn down hundreds of millions — perhaps even $1 billion or more — in financial help is a revelation that should be very troublesome for Democrats across the country who have set their sights on removing Donald Trump from office, no matter his successor.

It's important to highlight that Bloomberg's offer is not a random gesture from some random billionaire. I don't think anyone would criticize Sanders if he declined to take money from, say, conservative oil, ranching and textile baron Charles Koch or casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. Such help would be suspect at best. But in turning down Bloomberg's dollars, Sanders isn't just turning down cash that can buy valuable TV, radio and Facebook ads.

The support Bloomberg is offering up potentially includes campaign offices and resources — things a nominee's campaign might need to confront Trump. Wall Street would call this type of assistance "smart money."

Even Warren, who Democratic strategist James Carville recently said, "hates Michael Bloomberg more than she wants to win," allowed that she would accept Bloomberg's offer to help fund her campaign if she emerges as the standard bearer for the Democratic Party.

Other top Democratic contenders have said they would accept Bloomberg's funding should they find themselves facing off with Trump this fall.

Sanders' refusal of aid from Bloomberg shows how hard it would be for him to actually unite the party should he emerge as the nominee at the Milwaukee convention. Perhaps Sanders is most interested in maintaining his ability to continue blaming the billionaire class for so many of modern society's shortcomings.

If Sanders becomes the Democrats' nominee, refuses to take Bloomberg's money and ends up losing to Trump in the fall, he will become the bête noire of the Democratic party, shouldering the blame for four more years of a Trump presidency that has already weakened our institutions, eroded the rule of law and gravely undermined America's standing in world. And that could very well end up being Sanders' true legacy.

www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/opinions/sanders-bloomberg-financial-support-op
inion-wierson/index.html


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Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Even Warren, who Democratic strategist James Carville recently said, "hates Michael Bloomberg more than she wants to win," allowed that she would accept Bloomberg's offer to help fund her campaign if she emerges as the standard bearer for the Democratic Party.



Of course she did. She is a whore and a liar.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 1:14 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Tom Steyer Drops Out After Getting Spanked By Joe Biden In South Carolina

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 12:02 PM

SIGNYM

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I could never figure out why Tom Steyer was running. Everything sounded kinda schizophrenic: I'm a rich guy who doesn't believe there should be rich guys. But, of course, he has been using his money to push the Democratic party, even as he decries the influence of money on politics.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 1:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I could never figure out why Tom Steyer was running. Everything sounded kinda schizophrenic: I'm a rich guy who doesn't believe there should be rich guys. But, of course, he has been using his money to push the Democratic party, even as he decries the influence of money on politics.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!



Of course he did. He's a whore and a liar.

(Equal opportunity hater here).

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:04 PM

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I heard Nate Silver says Bernie sweeps Super Tuesday except for Klobuchar in MN.

Has DNC announced Hilliary as winner yet?

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 7:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I could never figure out why Tom Steyer was running. Everything sounded kinda schizophrenic: I'm a rich guy who doesn't believe there should be rich guys. But, of course, he has been using his money to push the Democratic party, even as he decries the influence of money on politics.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

I never looked it up, but apparently 10 years ago Steyer took the 'giving pledge' afaik to give his money back to the people, and divested from amoral companies. But I really haven't looked it up, not even once. What I find puzzling is that he did all this supposedly in California, which you would think would give him some support here. But his support is really low in CA, which I find counter-intuitive. I can't think of why that would be the case.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 7:19 PM

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South Carolina has an open primary system where members of any party can participate in the Democratic primary and some are urging conservatives to take part in the vote.
And therein lies the mystery of Biden's 'surge'. Thanks to SECOND for posting something relevant and factual, even if it was an accidental tidbit that was buried in other stuff.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 7:25 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Since very few democratic primaries are closed, https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2020-presidential-primary-s
chedule-calendar
/ Biden may have more 'surges' in other states.

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Sunday, March 1, 2020 7:47 PM

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Pete Buttigieg is dropping out of the US presidential race
I guess all those multi-billionaires now see a non-Buttigieg pathway to a Sanders defeat, and decided to stop throwing good money after bad. Oh well. Easy come - easy go.

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