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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hillary took dirt about Trump from a foreigner, and he got it from another foreigner (Russian, he says, but probably Ukrainian).

Obama accepted dirt from a foreigner and turned it into an investigation.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hillary took dirt about Trump from a foreigner, and he got it from another foreigner (Russian, he says, but probably Ukrainian).

Obama accepted dirt from a foreigner and turned it into an investigation.

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I always wondered about that ... what about Hillarity? She didn't just intend to get dirt for the election from foreigners, there's an official whole DNC bought and paid for report in the hands of the intelligence agencies, Congress, and who knows where all else in the bowels of government. Yanno, the 'Steele' thing.

I know the Hillarity aspect used to be brought up occasionally, only to be quickly brushed away - 'well, SHE's not president'. No one ever asked the question why that didn't make a difference.

And now it looks like Obama had a hand in foreign-assisted campaign dirt-digging.

I truly hope there's a very broad investigation into everyone involved - Americans from both parties and foreigners alike. Justice has to be equal and impartial to be just.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

WTF was the Steele Dossier?

Oh... that's right.

Ignorance of the law being no excuse only applies to proles.

But Hillary and the DNC had no idea that Fusion GPS subcontracted the work out to Steele's firm, and Steele had no idea that the research he was doing was for Hillary.

That's rather convenient for all parties involved.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ix, Republicans are claiming Hillary Clinton’s campaign did something similar by commissioning a firm that hired a former British spy, Christopher Steele. It is not similar. The Republicans are wrong because the huge difference is that Steele got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. Oh, and the Democrats didn’t lie about it, like Trump did about the Russians’ help/work/hack/steal on his campaign. Russia did it for free, too!

“I would not have thought I needed to say this,” Federal Election Commission head Ellen Weintraub tweeted regarding a statement she’d issued outlining why it’s illegal for US political candidates to accept contributions from foreign governments.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.”

“This is not a novel concept,” she wrote. “Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

“It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.”

And when it comes to foreign influence, the law is clear: As Weintraub wrote, it is “illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.”

In most cases, what this means is pretty obvious: Foreign nationals can’t donate money to a presidential campaign. It’s also illegal for candidates themselves to solicit or receive monetary contributions from foreign nationals.

But while a “thing of value” is easy to define when it comes to money, or even services or in-kind contributions, it’s a lot more complicated when it comes to something like opposition research, or so-called campaign dirt.

“Campaign-relevant information from a foreign national definitely can be an illegal in-kind contribution, but it gets trickier when the information does not have obvious cash value and isn’t necessarily something that a campaign regularly needs to buy,” wrote Michael Kang, a law professor at Northwestern University. “The policy concern is that any valuable advice or tip from a foreign national could, at least in theory, become an illegal in-kind contribution.”

More at www.vox.com/2019/6/14/18677631/trump-campaign-finance-law-fec-illegal-
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The FEC chair: “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

WTF was the Steele Dossier?

Oh... that's right.

Ignorance of the law being no excuse only applies to proles.

But Hillary and the DNC had no idea that Fusion GPS subcontracted the work out to Steele's firm, and Steele had no idea that the research he was doing was for Hillary.

That's rather convenient for all parties involved.



Try again.

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Hillary took dirt about Trump from a foreigner, and he got it from another foreigner (Russian, he says, but probably Ukrainian).
Obama accepted dirt from a foreigner and turned it into an investigation.- SIGNY

I always wondered about that ... what about Hillarity? She didn't just intend to get dirt for the election from foreigners, there's an official whole DNC bought and paid for report in the hands of the intelligence agencies, Congress, and who knows where all else in the bowels of government. Yanno, the 'Steele' thing.

I know the Hillarity aspect used to be brought up occasionally, only to be quickly brushed away - 'well, SHE's not president'. No one ever asked the question why that didn't make a difference.

And now it looks like Obama had a hand in foreign-assisted campaign dirt-digging.

I truly hope there's a very broad investigation into everyone involved - Americans from both parties and foreigners alike. Justice has to be equal and impartial to be just.- KIKI

Republicans are claiming Hillary Clinton’s campaign did something similar by commissioning a firm that hired a former British spy, Christopher Steele. It is not similar. The Republicans are wrong because the huge difference is that Steele got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars... SECONDRATE

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Oh, and the Democrats didn’t lie about it, like Trump did about the Russians’ help/work/hack/steal on his campaign.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Very funny, Signym.

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WTF was the Steele Dossier?

Oh... that's right.

Ignorance of the law being no excuse only applies to proles.

But Hillary and the DNC had no idea that Fusion GPS subcontracted the work out to Steele's firm, and Steele had no idea that the research he was doing was for Hillary.

That's rather convenient for all parties involved.



Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Trump has had two Attorney Generals and one acting Attorney General, and two heads of the FBI and one acting head of the FBI, but none of them have indicted Hillary. I welcome Attorney General Barr indicting Hillary, yet he just can't seem to get around to it. Who knows why? Maybe because he has got nothing?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup.

And nobody's tried to impeach Trump yet either.

Please. Somebody just get the ball rolling on that so we can stop talking about it already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup.

And nobody's tried to impeach Trump yet either.

Please. Somebody just get the ball rolling on that so we can stop talking about it already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Nobody has looked at criminally prosecuting Trump's tax evasion, either. We know he is doing it, but he has not been criminally prosecuted/facing a jail sentence even once in his life. It is unsurprising that Hillary is not being criminally prosecuted, either, because there is less on her than on Trump. www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Hmmmmm....

I dunno. I'd still like the $1 Million birthday present from the Prince of Qatar explained, among other things. I can't think of what the best birthday present I've ever gotten in my life was, but I can't imagine that it was worth more than $100 bucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Hmmmmm....

I dunno. I'd still like the $1 Million birthday present from the Prince of Qatar explained, among other things. I can't think of what the best birthday present I've ever gotten in my life was, but I can't imagine that it was worth more than $100 bucks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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$1 Million explained:
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation/clintons-charity-co
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So instead of putting words in other people's mouths personally, SECOND is resorting to a CARTOONIST to do it for him? Hmmm... laziness? Cowardice? Detached from real life? Nothing honest to say?

Who knows???

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Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Today word leaked that House Dems say Mueller will testify, but no GOP House members will be allowed to ask questions while he is under oath, only softball and sandbox questions from Dems. But then during negotiations to arrange for Mueller to testify it was allowed that all House Committee members would be allowed to ask questions while he was under oath, and Dems refused to grant permission for him to testify.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Having, finally, quietly resigned themselves to the death of the Mueller report as a significant weapon in the Trump soft-coup (and hope dies so bitterly), people like SECOND are clinging to mere testimony ABOUT the report to accomplish what the report itself failed to do.

Yes, SECOND. Don't let hope die forever. Rekindle it. And cling, I tell you - CLING WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT! - to that tiny piece of debris keeping you afloat.

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Don’t look now, but a federal judge in Washington, D.C., has just shut down half of Robert Mueller’s Russian-interference case.

In February 2018, the special prosecutor indicted a St. Petersburg troll farm called the Internet Research Agency along with two other companies, their owner, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, and 12 employees. The charge: fraud, traveling to the United States under false pretenses, and using social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter to “sow discord” and “interfere in US political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation.”

The charge was both legally dubious and heavy-handed, a case of using a sledge hammer to swat a fly. But Mueller went even further in his report, an expurgated version of which was made public in April. No longer just a Russian company, the IRA was now an arm of the Russian government. “[T]he Special Counsel’s investigation,” it declared on page one, “established that Russia interfered in the 2016 election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working in the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.”

“Prigozhin,” the report added, referring to the IRA owner, “is widely reported to have ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.” A few pages later, it said that the IRA’s efforts “constituted ‘active measures’ … a term that typically refers to operations conducted by Russian security services aimed at influencing the course of international affairs.”

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the IRA played a major role in the vast Kremlin conspiracy to alter the outcome of the 2016 election and install Donald Trump in office. But now Judge Dabney Friedrich has ordered Mueller to stop pushing such stories because they’re unfair to Concord Management and Consulting, another Prigozhin company, which astonished the legal world in May 2018 by hiring an expensive Washington law firm and demanding its day in court.

... It’s a case of trial by press clip that should have been laughed out of court – and now, more or less, it is. Without the IRA, the only argument left in Mueller’s brief is that Russia stole some 28,000 emails and other electronic documents from Democratic National Committee computers and then passed them along to WikiLeaks, which published them to great fanfare in July 2016.

But as Consortium News pointed out the day the Mueller report came out, that’s dubious as well. [See “The ‘Guccifer 2.0’ Gaps in Mueller’s Full Report,” April 18.] The reason: it rests on a timeline that doesn’t make sense:

June 12, 2016: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announces that “leaks in relation to Hillary Clinton” were on the way.
June 15: Guccifer 2.0, allegedly a stand-in for Russian military intelligence, goes on line to claim credit for the hack.
June 22: Guccifer and WikiLeaks establish contact.
July 14: Guccifer sends WikiLeaks an encrypted file.
July 18: WikiLeaks confirms that it’s opened it up.
July 22: The group releases a giant email cache indicating that the DNC rigged the nominating process in favor of Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders.

But why would Assange announce the leaked emails on June 12 before hearing from the source on June 22? Was he clairvoyant? Why would he release a massive file just eight days after

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receiving it and as a little as four days after opening it up? How could that be enough time to review the contents and ensure they were genuine? “If a single one of those emails had been shown to be maliciously altered,” blogger Mark F. McCarty points out, “WikiLeaks’s reputation would have been in tatters.” Quite right. So if Mueller’s chronology doesn’t hold up, then Assange’s original statement that “our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party” still stands – which it plainly does.

Bottom line: Russiagate is going up in smoke. The claim that Russian military intelligence fed thousands of emails to WikiLeaks doesn’t stand up to scrutiny while Mueller is not only unable to a prove a connection between the Internet Research Agency and the Kremlin but is barred from even discussing it, according to Friedrich’s ruling, without risking a charge of contempt. After 22 months of investigating the ins and outs of Russian interference, Mueller seems to have finally come up dry.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe the reason why the Democrat's oversight is moving so slowly is because Mueller'sreport has been found to be a web of lies? Even Mueller's "case" againt Russian meddling in the USA election has proved to be a pile of dogshit, which falls apart when challenged in court:

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Maybe the reason why the Democrat's oversight is moving so slowly is because Mueller'sreport has been found to be a web of lies? Even Mueller's "case" againt Russian meddling in the USA election has proved to be a pile of dogshit, which falls apart when challenged in court:

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Signym, do you really think nobody can tell you are defending Trump and Putin? And you don't care how misleading you are? It is as if you are being paid. And paid according to how many words you post, too.

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Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS:
trolling bogus claims not a single OT sentence

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Oh I forgot to post about the ruling that led to my post

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-chides-us-over-statements-tied-to
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Mueller indicted the IRA (Moscow based Internet Research Agency) and insinuated that it had a direct link to the Kremlin. I'm sure Mueller didn't even expect them to show up in court.

Well, the owner of the IRA hired a high performance Washington atty to represent then, and when they showed up in court to answer the indictment, Mueller bobbled, first asking for a delay because they hadn't been properly served, then asking to hide the evidence against the accused because of national security concerns. The presiding judge didn't look too kindly on these shenanigans, and also ruled that Mueller must stop insinuating that the IRA had Kremlin connections, so Mueller can no longer talk about a vital part of his report, by court order, to Congress


So, did a judge issue a gag order on this? Yes, or no?

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red herrings and red-baiting and ... trolling

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So, did a judge issue a gag order on this? Yes, or no?

Simple question
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Trump Declares "Ridiculous" Impeachment Push "Over" As Majority Of Democrats Vote Against

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Hillary took dirt about Trump from a foreigner, and he got it from another foreigner (Russian, he says, but probably Ukrainian).

Obama accepted dirt from a foreigner and turned it into an investigation.

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I always wondered about that ... what about Hillarity? She didn't just intend to get dirt for the election from foreigners, there's an official whole DNC bought and paid for report in the hands of the intelligence agencies, Congress, and who knows where all else in the bowels of government. Yanno, the 'Steele' thing.

I know the Hillarity aspect used to be brought up occasionally, only to be quickly brushed away - 'well, SHE's not president'. No one ever asked the question why that didn't make a difference.

And now it looks like Obama had a hand in foreign-assisted campaign dirt-digging.

I truly hope there's a very broad investigation into everyone involved - Americans from both parties and foreigners alike. Justice has to be equal and impartial to be just.

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Well, THIS should certainly make SECONDRATE's head implode:

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Trump Declares "Ridiculous" Impeachment Push "Over" As Majority Of Democrats Vote Against

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-17/house-vote-articles-impeachm
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

When will the Mueller Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?

Maybe Mueller can resign, or something.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump was just virtue signalling to his audience about how he channeled his inner Shindler.

Quite funny how people like Wishy goes all crazy over Trump being Trump and thinks he's setting himself up to make himself dictator and king of America though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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