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Something irrelevant about grand juries, the usual personal insults, changing the topic, and moving the goal posts.

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Originally posted by rue:

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Something irrelevant about grand juries, the usual personal insults, changing the topic, and moving the goal posts.

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Is that about right?

And, what do you have to say about YOU declaring that Trump's actions re wall funding were illegal? Yanno, before that was even declared by a court. Didn't you skip the whole 'decided in a court' step?

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Something irrelevant about grand juries, the usual personal insults, changing the topic, and moving the goal posts.

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Is that about right?

And, what do you have to say about YOU declaring that Trump's actions re wall funding were illegal? Yanno, before that was even declared by a court. Didn't you skip the whole 'decided in a court' step?

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Both Houses of Congress already told Trump that he was doing wrong.

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You don't have to wait a year for a court to rule one way, followed by another court to rule in the opposite direction, followed by the Supreme Court justices arguing about it in secret for 6 months then returning a 5 to 4 decision, where each justice tries to outdo the others for a place in history.

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Oh, you mean there can be actual dispute over which parts of the various laws apply under what circumstances. in other words YOUR IGNORANT 'VERDICT' IS IN DOUBT?
Thanks for agreeing with me.

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incessant nonsense(?)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
30 posts today?

I should admit that you guys make an admirable effort at keeping track of and decyphering the incessant nonsense that second posts.

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Mueller report’s release is expected Thursday, Justice Dept. says

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-reports
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
30 posts today?

I should admit that you guys make an admirable effort at keeping track of and decyphering the incessant nonsense that second posts.

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Originally posted by THG:


Deutsche Bank, Trump

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I wonder if Putin is still pleased with the results of his interfering with our elections as time goes on? As more and more about it is exposed.

Money laundering is a necessary element of his success. In maintaining the support of his cronies. Now it's all being exposed because of the Mueller and other investigations.

Remember, this is just the beginning. When Trump is gone the shit hits the fan as far as unintended consequence that will be suffered by Putin. With a new president the gloves come off.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-11/dummies-guide-what-dems-will
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A Dummies' Guide To What Reps Will Say Before the Mueller Report Is Released:

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A Dummies' Guide To anti-US rhetoric:

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https://www.zerohedge.com...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, GSTRING and SECOND and THUGR like to tell everyone what a poster "really" meant by misquoting it, taking it out of context, re-defining words, or just flat-out making shit up about what someone posted.

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Is anybody else able to observe the manipulation?

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In my 25 years with the Justice Department, I appeared before a grand jury upward of 100 times. On almost every occasion, I conducted a detailed interview with the witness before he testified in the grand jury. During the pre–grand jury interview, the FBI, or DEA, or Secret Service case agent took notes that were later memorialized into a report.

I was not alone in the practice of interviewing witnesses before calling them to testify in the grand jury. It is the standard practice of federal prosecutors across the country. The only time a witness was not interviewed in advance was when the witness was hostile and refused to testify without a subpoena, and this was a rarity.

While much of the material from these interviews is the same as what is said before the grand jury, the grand jury secrecy rule only prevents grand jury testimony from being released. It does not act as a bar to the release of interview reports that hold the same information. And so, while grand jury testimony must not be publicly disclosed, the attorney general has the authority to disclose interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. This material could appear in the version of the Mueller report Barr is set to release on Thursday. But these reports will likely present damning evidence of campaign links to Russia and obstruction by Trump and members of his administration. If Barr’s past actions are any indicator, he will do all he can to prevent their release.

From all signs, much of Mueller’s full report, including the interviews, will be missing. As Congress tries to pry the full report loose from Barr, it must ensure that Barr’s public redactions do not include interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. Since any such redactions cannot be based on Barr’s claim of grand jury secrecy, their release is fair game.

It’s a sad time when Congress, the press, the courts, and the American people have to worry that the attorney general of the United States may bend the law in a way that works to the detriment of the country, in order to further the personal interests of the man who gave him a job.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-release-wil
liam-barr-justice-department-trump.html

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

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In my 25 years with the Justice Department, I appeared before a grand jury upward of 100 times. On almost every occasion, I conducted a detailed interview with the witness before he testified in the grand jury. During the pre–grand jury interview, the FBI, or DEA, or Secret Service case agent took notes that were later memorialized into a report.

I was not alone in the practice of interviewing witnesses before calling them to testify in the grand jury. It is the standard practice of federal prosecutors across the country. The only time a witness was not interviewed in advance was when the witness was hostile and refused to testify without a subpoena, and this was a rarity.

While much of the material from these interviews is the same as what is said before the grand jury, the grand jury secrecy rule only prevents grand jury testimony from being released. It does not act as a bar to the release of interview reports that hold the same information. And so, while grand jury testimony must not be publicly disclosed, the attorney general has the authority to disclose interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. This material could appear in the version of the Mueller report Barr is set to release on Thursday. But these reports will likely present damning evidence of campaign links to Russia and obstruction by Trump and members of his administration. If Barr’s past actions are any indicator, he will do all he can to prevent their release.

From all signs, much of Mueller’s full report, including the interviews, will be missing. As Congress tries to pry the full report loose from Barr, it must ensure that Barr’s public redactions do not include interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. Since any such redactions cannot be based on Barr’s claim of grand jury secrecy, their release is fair game.

It’s a sad time when Congress, the press, the courts, and the American people have to worry that the attorney general of the United States may bend the law in a way that works to the detriment of the country, in order to further the personal interests of the man who gave him a job.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-release-wil
liam-barr-justice-department-trump.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You walked into that one Second. You knew that was coming.

These guys, the real brains of the Outfit, consider you part of the "Deep State" no matter what you did at DOJ. Although now it should be known as
DOT (really, CSOT). The "Deep"


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lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Dems are spinning? Zero hedge?

1kiki, you have zero credibility.

Here's some spin.

If the Mueller report exonerates Trump, why write a ‘counter-report’?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/if-the-mueller-report-exonerat
es-trump-why-write-counter-report

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You walked into that one Second. You knew that was coming.

These guys, the real brains of the Outfit, consider you part of the "Deep State" no matter what you did at DOJ. Although now it should be known as
DOT (really, CSOT). The "Deep"


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lol. Right?

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You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

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Yet another Brainiac.

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Barr’s Playbook: He Misled Congress When Omitting Parts of Justice Dep’t Memo in 1989

www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

On Friday the thirteenth October 1989, by happenstance the same day as the “Black Friday” market crash, news leaked of a legal memo authored by William Barr. He was then serving as head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). It is highly uncommon for any OLC memo to make headlines. This one did because it was issued in “unusual secrecy” and concluded that the FBI could forcibly abduct people in other countries without the consent of the foreign state. The headline also noted the implication of the legal opinion at that moment in time. It appeared to pave the way for abducting Panama’s leader, Gen. Manuel Noriega.

Members of Congress asked to see the full legal opinion. Barr refused, but said he would provide an account that “summarizes the principal conclusions.” Sound familiar? In March 2019, when Attorney General Barr was handed Robert Mueller’s final report, he wrote that he would “summarize the principal conclusions” of the special counsel’s report for the public.

When Barr withheld the full OLC opinion in 1989 and said to trust his summary of the principal conclusions, Yale law school professor Harold Koh wrote that Barr’s position was “particularly egregious.” Congress also had no appetite for Barr’s stance, and eventually issued a subpoena to successfully wrench the full OLC opinion out of the Department.

What’s different from that struggle and the current struggle over the Mueller report is that we know how the one in 1989 eventually turned out.

When the OLC opinion was finally made public long after Barr left office, it was clear that Barr’s summary had failed to fully disclose the opinion’s principal conclusions. It is better to think of Barr’s summary as a redacted version of the full OLC opinion. That’s because the “summary” took the form of 13 pages of written testimony. The document was replete with quotations from court cases, legal citations, and the language of the OLC opinion itself. Despite its highly detailed analysis, this 13-page version omitted some of the most consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion. And there was evidently no justifiable reason for having withheld those parts from Congress or the public.

More at www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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lol. Right?

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You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

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As a reminder that an Attorney General can also be a criminal: During Watergate, two attorneys general, John Mitchell and Richard Kleindienst, were convicted of crimes arising out of their relationship with Richard Nixon. Those three dragged our federal system of justice and its reputation for professionalism into the mud.

Neither Congress nor the public can trust that Attorney General William Barr has been objective and fair in what he has decided to make public of the report, nor can they believe that he can handle any further issues surrounding wrongdoing by President Trump with integrity.

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But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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While Mueller was in there, he kept his head down and did yeoman's work. But integrity is only as good as the person who honors it. This marine served with Integrity. Something few folks here know little about.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I remember when Mueller was a great guy.

I remember when Comey was a great guy.

But it turned out we were all suckered and they were no good dirty Russians all along.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Barr, acting with his authority as Attorney General, can absolutely prevent a criminal from being prosecuted. But Barr cannot, acting all alone, get an innocent person sent to jail. Barr would need to convince a prosecutor, a judge, a jury, maybe an appellate court that the innocent person is guilty. But if Barr wants to keep Trump out of jail, Barr doesn't need anybody's help for as long as Barr is Attorney General. Trump knows this just as well as I do. That is why Trump hired Barr as soon as Barr made it well-known to Trump that Barr would never allow Trump to go to jail. The day Barr sent a memo saying he'd protect Trump is the same day Barr goes to lunch and starts talking about replacing Jeff Sessions as Trump's Attorney General.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/an-interesting-thing-happened-the
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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While Mueller was in there, he kept his head down and did yeoman's work. But integrity is only as good as the person who honors it. This marine served with Integrity. Something few folks here know little about.

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Hey Jack, I don't know your definition of honorable or integrity for that matter, but Mueller never once showed us his cards. One way or the other he
kept it close to the vest.

Funny thing, about two weeks ago all was good for the president when Barr
submitted his letter absolving Trump of any wrong doing. What happened!?


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I remember when Mueller was a great guy.

I remember when Comey was a great guy.

But it turned out we were all suckered and they were no good dirty Russians all along.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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And now for the endless sieving for minutia out of context, the reading of information into redacted lines, the moving of goalposts, and all the usual ...

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With SECOND spinning madly off the collusion/ obstruction course he's still in the lead by 3 lengths!

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According to Sessions’ recollection, Trump “slumped back in his chair” and said, “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked.”


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1kiki, you goddamn moron, there is no crime called "collusion". Never was.

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