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Building on your previous lie with more lies?
Like I said: You have snakes in your head. I've dealt with a person like you before SECOND: A killer who couldn't admit to themselves what they did (and why) and spent their entire life virtue signalling and hiding from the truth ... another person who couldn't forgive themselves. Another person with snakes in their head.

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Signym, you have used this same move before. Trump has, too.

When Trump is caught red-handed in a lie or scandal, he has a time-worn playbook for weathering it. First, he lies about the facts of the matter, attempting to create enough uncertainty to inoculate his base and a portion of the rest of the population against accepting the reality of what has happened. Second, he pivots to attacking his antagonists (which in the past have included a dead senator, the father of a fallen soldier, and judges of Mexican heritage). Finally, he tries to change the subject.

Far from Trump emerging into a new phase of his presidency with the release of the Barr report, he has in fact lapsed into this age-old pattern. Phases one and two came quickly, with Trump and his surrogates claiming that the president had been completely exonerated even though Mueller explicitly did not make this judgment. They then accused the media and Democrats of corruptly conspiring to bring down the president.

But it is the next part of the administration’s response, phase three, which is so uniquely Trumpian. The president has frequently managed to survive scandals that might have felled other politicians because he is so adept at changing the conversation by sparking a new furor, which eclipses the old one. The result has been a presidency of serial scandals which can easily induce a sense of numbness in his opponents, while making himself appear invulnerable to any particular one of the hundreds of controversies encircling him.

Since the release of the Barr report, Trump has attempted to change the topic in two ways.

1) The first is on healthcare. Last Monday, the Trump administration filed a letter in a Texas court declaring that it would like to see the entirety of the Affordable Care Act – also known as Obamacare – declared unconstitutional. Backing a wacky legal challenge that has been levied against the ACA, the administration is advocating stripping healthcare benefits from tens of millions of Americans with no plan for how to provide them with alternative coverage. Although the move is a sure political loser for Republicans, Trump charged ahead anyway.

2) Second, Trump has stepped up his anti-immigrant rhetoric and threatened to close the US border with Mexico.

More at www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/mueller-report-donald-tr
ump-distractions

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here Siggy,

Here's some info on Trumpy........scumbag-in-chief

sgg

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No takers!

Oh, well!

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Originally posted by second:
Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.

I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.

Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.) A power source that does cause many health problems, including cancer, is coal, an extremely dirty fuel Trump loves and has attempted to bolster, with almost no success.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by rue:
Oh look! They're all getting together to re-write reality!

This'll be ... boring.

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I agree with Signy. There are parts to you that are your definition of 'who you are'. I've never in my life had much of a sense of smell or taste. And I wore glasses from first or second grade. My hearing used to be phenomenal but I lost it so gradually and so early that I just laugh about being deaf. But the one constant sign of health was my low blood pressure. Then one day - overnight - it skyrocketed to stroke territory and I've been struggling even with medication to keep it down. That truly rocked me. To my core I felt vulnerable and unsafe, because I was.

But there may be some other side effect to 'smile' they don't know about yet. Here's an example: I was looking into turbinate (nose) surgery to relieve my constantly stuffed up nose. And I ran across a rare side effect called 'empty nose syndrome'. It's SO VERY distressing to the people who have it many commit suicide (at least one after murdering their surgeon). It apparently FEELS like your nose is constantly, unrelievedly, completely stuffed up even though, mechanically, you can breathe just fine.

(I thought about that and realized that even though we're not aware of it on a conscious level, we can actually feel air moving through our nose as we breathe. Generally when they do turbinate surgery they work on the lowest one of three because it's the biggest and the furthest away from your olfactory organ and your cribiform plate, which separates your brain from your nasal cavity. Anyway, when they open up the lowest turbinate completely, since the air is flowing smoothly through - laminar instead of turbulent - you can't sense the flow since air isn't impinging on any tissues. OTOH since your upper two turbinates are still swollen, you can feel the pressure. So it feels like your nose is stuffed up and no air is going through. The answer might be to have people suck menthol lozenges, since the menthol causes a cooling feeling as the air goes by. That might help people FEEL that they're breathing.)

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Completely losing your shit again?

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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.- SIGNY

Trump's blah blah blah blah .... SECONDRATE

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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.

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Oh, look! rue/1kiki lost her mind on April 2, 2019 6:57 PM
Maybe blubbery Trump can save rue/1kiki from Death!- SECONDRATE

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023&mid=10732
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Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!

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Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!

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Signym, you and all the Trump lovers, and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts. You all are not right in the head and that goes for areas far removed from Trump or politics.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023

Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.

I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.

Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.)
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
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Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).

All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.

Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts! -SIGNY

Signym, you and all the Trump lovers...

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...and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts.

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Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". SECONDRATE

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I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.-SECONDRATE

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?

All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.

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I voted for him to get three things done. If he gets those three things done, I'm a happy camper. There is always life after Trump, but Trump will have preserved the foundation for getting other things done later.

Now, for the sake of completeness there are some personal crimes I WOULD react to ... murder, human (including child) trafficking etc. These crimes are so heinous they would outweigh any progress being made with policy.

But my happiness or unhappiness rests primarily on what Trump does with those three things. That's why I'm entirely unimpresssed with you and REAVERBOT's style of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And yanno what? I'd say the same thing about Hillary.

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I had no idea she was from FOX. Seems you know more about her than I do.

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Or maybe most normal people don't freak out when they see those three letters "FOX".

I went back to the article and saw that it mentions that she worked for FOX2 Detroit. It could have just as easily been ABC2 Cleveland, and would have made no difference.

You DO realize that local FOX local stations are not at all related to FOX cable news, don't you dummy?

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Originally posted by second: Also sad that Trump does not know what three things Signym wants him to do. He is forever saying he is going to do things, and then he forgets. Signym should remind him as many times as necessary.

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3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

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3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

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Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances.

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3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...

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Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances.

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Wrong on all counts. You're lying, again.

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I think I'm going to mostly sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.

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I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.

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Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-ob
struction-evidence-washington-post

The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.

In his summary, Barr said that the special counsel did not establish evidence for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and said that Mueller didn’t conclude “one way or the other” as to whether Trump’s conduct in office constituted obstruction of justice. Barr also said that he concluded the evidence was not sufficient to prove obstruction. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work,” said one official. Summaries were reportedly prepared for different sections of the report, which Mueller’s team thought could be released immediately without redaction.

Also,

Suddenly, Republicans Don’t Care About How Mueller Spent His Money
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-suddenly-republicans-dont
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It's looking like Mueller didn't say Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, because the evidence showed these guys were so stupid the Russians manipulated them, like a puppeteer miniplates a puppet. Sad, very sad.

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SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.

And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.

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Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ...

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28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?

All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.

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I do get a chuckle every time I see this thread title at the top.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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WSJ op-ed (font and format approximates original)


Trolling the Mueller Report

Democrats lost on collusion. Now they’re inventing a coverup.

Democrats are still reeling from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians in 2016. But they’ve now hit upon a political comeback strategy: Accuse Attorney General William Barr of a coverup.

That’s the context for Wednesday’s decision by House Democrats to authorize subpoenas, on a partisan vote, demanding that Mr. Barr immediately hand over the entire Mueller report and its supporting evidence. This is intended to give the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.

That’s preposterous, since Mr. Barr’s four-page letter quotes directly from Mr. Mueller’s report. The AG surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties. Mr. Barr also knew he’d be called to testify before Congress once the rest of the report is released.

Mr. Barr has committed to releasing as much of the report as possible subject to Justice Department rules. He’s working with the special counsel’s office to make redactions required by grand-jury rules of secrecy, intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and “the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”

Under Justice rules relating to special counsels, Mr. Barr has no obligation to provide anything beyond notifying Congress when an investigation has started or concluded, and whether the AG overruled a special counsel’s decisions. Mr. Barr’s notice to Congress that Mr. Mueller had completed his investigation said Mr. Mueller was not overruled.

Congress has no automatic right to more. The final subparagraph of DOJ’s rule governing special counsels reads: “The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal or administrative.”

Mr. Barr has made clear that he appreciates the public interest in seeing as much of Mr. Mueller’s report as possible. Yet his categories of information for review aren’t frivolous or political inventions. The law protecting grand-jury secrecy is especially strict, as even Democrats admit.

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff recently tweeted that “Barr should seek court approval (just like in Watergate) to allow the release of grand jury material. Redactions are unacceptable.” This is an acknowledgment that the government must apply to a judge for permission to disclose grand-jury proceedings.

A judge can grant release in certain circumstances—namely to government attorneys who need the information for their duties. None of the secrecy exceptions permit disclosure to Congress or the public. The purpose of this secrecy is to protect the innocent and encourage candor in grand-jury testimony.

It’s true that in 1974 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge’s decision to release a grand jury report to the House Judiciary Committee that was investigating Watergate. Such a sealed report—which juries can choose to produce—is different from raw grand-jury testimony, which is what Democrats are demanding now. The Supreme Court has never ruled on such a disclosure, so Democrats could be facing a long legal battle if Mr. Barr resists their subpoenas.

Mr. Barr should release as much of the report as possible, and on close calls he should side with public disclosure. But no one should think that Democrats are really worried about a coverup. They want to see an unredacted version before the public does so they can leak selected bits that allow them to use friendly media outlets to claim there really was collusion, or to tarnish Trump officials.

The nation is entitled to the Mueller facts in their proper context, not to selective leaks from Democrats trying to revive their dashed hopes of a collusion narrative that the Mueller probe found doesn’t exist.

Appeared in the April 4, 2019, print edition.

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SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.

And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.

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Signym, nobody who took a high school class in government will ever forget you know nothing about America. Back in 1969 we had much more serious discussions than at fff.net in class at Sam Rayburn High in Pasadena, TX about the ridiculous Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and how Congress was not taking responsibility for the Vietnam War. That War had not yet turned into the complete fiasco of the Nixon years, but Congress was letting it happen out of indecision.

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If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?

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Such a delusional twit. Just because you and your high school twits didn't know about McNamara's disasters and LBJ's Tuesday Luncheons doesn't mean they weren't real.

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Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ... SECONDRATE

If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?- RUE/KIKI

I don't want him dead ...- SECONDRATE

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Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ... SECONDRATE

If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?- RUE/KIKI

I don't want him dead ...- SECONDRATE

Wow. SECOND, we all read what you posted, and then read how you doubled down on it after you were questioned about it.
So ... lying. Is it a way of life for you, now?
You lie in the worst possible way, SECOND: You lie to yourself about what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Get that problem fixed. See someone. You'll be a whole person and the snakes will be out of your head.

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