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Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

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Originally posted by rue:
My hope is that the entire report is made public asap.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Betcha dollars to donuts no new indictments. No "collusion", no "obstruction of justice".

Another bet: Democrats will string this out until 2020.

I too would like to see the whole report.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.

The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No new indictments coming down.

No collusion

No obstruction.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

This is just the beginning.

Tick tock!


SGG

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Originally posted by THG:

Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

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Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.

They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.

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Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.

They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.

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As I've said second, that level of ignorance is off the charts. This presidency is immersed in scandals. And you can bet Trump has few republican friends. He has made them crawl in public since his election. Their reputations are in taters. If they can, they will crucify Trump.

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Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.

They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.

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The rule of law does not include GOP Senators. What would the Senate do if Trump obstructed justice? The Senate could ignore obstruction or it could remove Trump from office. In the latter case, ordinary citizen Trump, the ex-President, goes to a criminal trial. Then jail. Trump did obstruct justice, but no Republican Senator will vote to remove Trump. Those Senators have already decided Trump is innocent and there is no rule of law that will force them to change their minds. Trump admits the allegations of collusion between his advisers and Russian officials played into sacking of FBI director in order to obstruct justice. But the Republican Senators have decided to ignore what they heard Trump say on TV:
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/11/donald-trump-james-comey-firin
g-russia-investigation

If Trump got asked a second time about obstructing justice during an impeachment trial, his lawyers will craft a false statement for Trump to read, one that all GOP Senators can hide behind when they vote "Not Guilty". There is no rule of law forcing a Senator to admit he knows the President is lying under oath, although juries are expected to decide if a witness is lying and to not accept a liar's word as truth.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No new indictments coming down.

No collusion

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Then it is funny that Trump's men are going to jail. Trump only goes to jail if the Senate sends him. Cohen, Flynn and Papadopoulos have pleaded guilty to making false statements. So has Manafort’s former deputy Rick Gates, and an attorney who worked with the pair, Alexander Van Der Zwaan.

One suggested he lied out of loyalty. Others appear to have been protecting the president. One, Michael Cohen, a former executive in Trump’s private business and his personal lawyer, said he lied because the president wanted him to.

“Everybody's job at the Trump Organization is to protect Mr. Trump. Every day most of us knew we were coming in and we were going to lie for him on something and that became the norm,” Cohen said in sworn testimony to a House committee Feb. 27. “And that's exactly what's happening right now in this country and it's exactly what's happening here in government.”

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Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?

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As I've said second, that level of ignorance is off the charts. This presidency is immersed in scandals. And you can bet Trump has few republican friends. He has made them crawl in public since his election. Their reputations are in taters. If they can, they will crucify Trump.

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No collusion
No election tampering
No working with the Russians ( leave that for Hillary and the DNC )

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why bother arguing at this point?

If we get to see it like we're supposed to, there will be nothing left to argue about.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.

I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.

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But, but... Hillary!

So predictable.

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You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.

I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.

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She committed crimes, and Comey admitted as much.

It SHOULD bother all Americans that she gets away scot free simply because her husband was President and she was a US Senator then SecState.

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But, but... Hillary!

So predictable.

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Sorry... no justice, no peace.

Thems the rules.

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My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.

The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?

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Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.

They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.

tick tock

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My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.

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Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.

The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?

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It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.

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Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?

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You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.

I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.

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It's funny how the trolls here forget that Ken Star was investigating a land deal by the Clintons. To them that's ok, yet to go after Trump for anything is illegit. All I can say is tick tock

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Nope. You'll never let it go. Even after multiple investigations.

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Nope. You'll never let it go. Even after multiple investigations.

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There were no legitimate investigations. Just dog and pony shows by politicians, trying to up their donations.

She broke the law, and certainly engaged in corruption w/ her fake Foundation. Pay for play has been clearly demonstrated, but no one wants to hold her accountable to the law.

This should make every American furious.

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You guys always refuse to acknowledge that I hated Clinton. It was just that I knew all about Trump and it was reaffirmed during the campaign that he was a tool and nightmare candidate.
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Trey Gowdy had an interesting take on why some parts of the report or background info should be withheld.

Basically, as a prosecutor you should either indict and shut up, or don't indict and shut up. You don't make public a number of allegations which will never go to trial, as Come did when he listed a while bunch of Hillary's actions that he decided shouldn't be prosecuted. In Gowdy's view that set a terrible precedent, because people shouldn't have to prove themselves innocent in the court of public opinion, which they can never do. Proving a negative ... Saddam didn't have WMD, Trump didn't collude... is impossible anyway. As he said, Trump isn't above the law, but he isn't below it either.


In Gowdy's view, a prosecutor who releases info on unindicted people is failing in his Constitutional duty.

But, decisions and opinions about Trump are political not judicial, so maybe the politics needs to play out

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Though I normally would agree with Trey here, the behavior of the MSM and the leftwing nutjobs dictate a different outcome here.

If I were Trump, I would want everything to be made public.

Two years of this bullshit is enough. It's time to put this matter to rest once and for all.

COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I need to think about this a bit. Trump has Constitutional protections that are due him, but the nation has political needs to meet as well.

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Originally posted by rue:

Yanno, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy back when, I said there would probably be Trump business corruption (because, who in business isn't corrupt?) but no Russia collusion. I was wrong. So far there's not been any sign of Trump business corruption either.

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More of SLOPPYSECONDS blah blah blah.

You see?

I told you they would drop RUSSIA!RUSSIA! at a moment's notice!

It was never about Russia! with them. They don't care what they say; it's all propganda to SLOPPYSECONDS and REAVERBOT.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SLOPPYSECONDS blah blah blah.

You see?

I told you they would drop RUSSIA!RUSSIA! at a moment's notice!

It was never about Russia! with them. They don't care what they say; it's all propganda to SLOPPYSECONDS and REAVERBOT.

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You guys always refuse to acknowledge that I hated Clinton. It was just that I knew all about Trump and it was reaffirmed during the campaign that he was a tool and nightmare candidate.

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SHINY seems to have taken a step back, as well. And shout out to GSTRING, who seems to have pulled out of a nosedive and at least levelled off, if ony two feet above-ground.

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